Vid,
Probably because Time Lords at least have some experience and Barry just keeps screwing things up.
But I doubt time travel will come up. More likely, we'll see Earth-2 Iris...maybe.
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And, as predicted, Joe reacted angrily to the secret they'd been keeping from him. And, just as easily predicted, he overcame his anger.
Joe's girlfriend's daughter was annoying. As is this stupid ass rivalry they are developing between Flash and Kid Flash.
No, Barry. You're not the fastest man alive. Wally is just as fast, if not faster. The only reason you beat Wally in that race is because you took the shorter route through the building. Plus, let's not forget every season's main villain. Each of them has also been faster than you.
Still, nice trick with the train, Barry. It might have violated the laws of physics like Tiger Woods in a Nevada brothel, but it was still pretty cool.
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** spoiler omitted **
1: We did not see how long it took anyone to die. Other than Iris, the police captain from the Flashpoint timeline was the only person we saw contract the ailment... and he was still alive when that scene ended.
2: We did not see Iris survive it for longer than minutes w/o intervention. Again, that assumes considerable time elapsed between the scene where she was touched and the scene where she was treated/frozen... which might well NOT have been the case with a speedster on hand.
3: The rate of progression seen on 'Flashpoint Captain' was the result of a firm hand shake. The rate of progression for Iris might have been slower since she was barely grazed for a fraction of a second before Wally pulled her away.
That said, there was a clear, and unexplained, disparity between the speed at which living people were impacted vs inanimate matter. Maybe water slowed the effect somehow.
Wally wasn't in Barry's vision of the future, and Iris died. Barry was there, but wasn't fast enough. Obvious solution: have Barry get faster. But Julian's absurdly simplistic graph apparently shows Barry can't get fast enough in the available time, so they need to change something else about that tableau.
The problem with the graph is that it would only indicate a natural progression. My mind may be blanking... but I don't remember Barry EVER getting faster 'naturally'. He had special training from Thawne... He got the Tachion thing in his chest piece, he always finds some McGuffin to PUSH him to the new speeds...
That graph only shows the season cliffhangers.
He just needs to find his McGuffin a bit early. My theory is that they are going to bring in 'borrowing speed'... perhaps again. Have both of them there, and one steals the speed from the other and it's all good.
I was kinda hoping the solution to the decomposition would be Iris losing an arm. It would change the future, after all.
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He just needs to find his McGuffin a bit early. My theory is that they are going to bring in 'borrowing speed'... perhaps again. Have both of them there, and one steals the speed from the other and it's all good.
The stealing speed thing would probably be the easiest solution.
My other bit of wondering is the actual origin of Savitar and how that's going to play into it. According to what they said before he seemed to be around for a long time, some kind of legend. But then he tells Barry that Barry imprisoned him in the speed force. Some kind of time s+&% going on. Maybe it'll paly into however they defeat him.
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I was pretty amused when Barry called himself the fastest man alive. It's been proven, multiple times, that he's not.
Unrelated to Barry's blatant misrepresentation of his speed: Apparently they're switching to a physical costume for Savitar going forward. I'm pretty excited. As giant CG monsters go I felt like he was a few steps below Grod and King Shark.
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Okay for me, seeing Barry phase an entire train proves his Speed Force abilities surpass Wally by a good bit. But I was glad Wally 'caught up' to.
Regarding Savitar, I remain convince he's not actually moving faster than Barry or any other speedster. It's just the fact he can form holes in reality and that's allowed him to bypass being seen and stuff.
Also A-Zombie, be nice. Just because you disagree doesn't mean you can be a jack ass.
Sun,
I don't think that would have changed the future enough.
Feral,
Source?
Thanks. *watches* Huh. Well maybe this will spin out of the Gorilla City episode...maybe?
He just needs to find his McGuffin a bit early. My theory is that they are going to bring in 'borrowing speed'... perhaps again. Have both of them there, and one steals the speed from the other and it's all good.The stealing speed thing would probably be the easiest solution.
My other bit of wondering is the actual origin of Savitar and how that's going to play into it. According to what they said before he seemed to be around for a long time, some kind of legend. But then he tells Barry that Barry imprisoned him in the speed force. Some kind of time s+*! going on. Maybe it'll paly into however they defeat him.
Well, with time travel it can be both. Frankly that's exactly what they did with Thawne. He was a villain in the future who went to the past and predated the guy who inspired him.
With Savitar I could easily see him as being from the future who 'possibly because of Barry' was hurled back in time to become some kind of legendary speed god...
My only concern is if it would feel redundant after Thawne and Flashpoint. I mean... EVERYTHING can't revolve around time travel right? I mean... some of it makes for a fun show, but not EVERYTHING...
Although... if Savitar turned out to be Wally who never stopped increasing his speed... I think that would be REALLY cool!!! Put an interesting twist on Barry accepting his training and teaching him all the tricks... only to become his own worst enemy.
I was pretty amused when Barry called himself the fastest man alive. It's been proven, multiple times, that he's not.
But... but... he IS the fastest man alive!! Who else is there? Every time some comes close to competing with him, they either die... get unmade... or shunted to another universe. Right here... right now... Yeah, he's totally the title holder ;)
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But... but... he IS the fastest man alive!! Who else is there? Every time some comes close to competing with him, they either die... get unmade... or shunted to another universe. Right here... right now... Yeah, he's totally the title holder ;)I was pretty amused when Barry called himself the fastest man alive. It's been proven, multiple times, that he's not.
It's like a f+&*ing yo-yo. He's fastest...he's not.....he's fastest...he's not...and so on.
It goes back to one of my main problems with the show writers - they seemingly cannot conceive of a main villain who isn't a speedster, and so must come up with ever faster villains whom Barry must find ever different ways to increase his speed to overcome.
Wow, A-zombie, you really woke up on the wrong side of the undead grave this week didn't you...
Well I'm glad at least I'm off the menu for the week, that's for sure.
Well as someone once observed, it's an imperfect universe and there's always people that can let you down. I'm just glad I haven't descended there. Yet.
But... but... he IS the fastest man alive!! Who else is there? Every time some comes close to competing with him, they either die... get unmade... or shunted to another universe. Right here... right now... Yeah, he's totally the title holder ;)I was pretty amused when Barry called himself the fastest man alive. It's been proven, multiple times, that he's not.
It's like a f+$~ing yo-yo. He's fastest...he's not.....he's fastest...he's not...and so on.
It goes back to one of my main problems with the show writers - they seemingly cannot conceive of a main villain who isn't a speedster, and so must come up with ever faster villains whom Barry must find ever different ways to increase his speed to overcome.
It's not just the show writers... it's the comics too. Honestly one of the biggest complaints with fans AND writers is how to NOT have him solve every problem in a 1/10 of a second.
I can forgive the show because while YES... they can only do things with evil speedsters... at least they aren't making anything up really. Reverse Flash, Zoom, Savitar... they are all major enemies of Comic Flash and at least worthy of a season. Add in the fact that ONLY the Flash has a chance against these guys, it's a good fit.
A whole lot better then all the evil archers who for SOME reason gravitate to Star City.
Phantom,
I think they figure they don't have to worry about guys dressed as Bats and Alien Gods like they would on the East Coast.
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But... but... he IS the fastest man alive!! Who else is there? Every time some comes close to competing with him, they either die... get unmade... or shunted to another universe. Right here... right now... Yeah, he's totally the title holder ;)I was pretty amused when Barry called himself the fastest man alive. It's been proven, multiple times, that he's not.
It's like a f+$~ing yo-yo. He's fastest...he's not.....he's fastest...he's not...and so on.
It goes back to one of my main problems with the show writers - they seemingly cannot conceive of a main villain who isn't a speedster, and so must come up with ever faster villains whom Barry must find ever different ways to increase his speed to overcome.
It's not just the show writers... it's the comics too. Honestly one of the biggest complaints with fans AND writers is how to NOT have him solve every problem in a 1/10 of a second.
I can forgive the show because while YES... they can only do things with evil speedsters... at least they aren't making anything up really. Reverse Flash, Zoom, Savitar... they are all major enemies of Comic Flash and at least worthy of a season. Add in the fact that ONLY the Flash has a chance against these guys, it's a good fit.
A whole lot better then all the evil archers who for SOME reason gravitate to Star City.
Good points all around.
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F*$$ nice. Some people don't deserve it.
Also A-Zombie, be nice. Just because you disagree doesn't mean you can be a jack ass.Now that's not true.
Sure, you made a few unfounded assumptions and then got all surly about it... but you still deserve 'nice'. :]
No, kid. I'm an a~&!$*& and don't deserve nice. I can admit it, though.
You're a sad drunk, Aberzombie, drink soda next time.
Dunno about sad, Sun, but he's certainly drunk and angry tonight.
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Dunno about sad, Sun, but he's certainly drunk and angry tonight.
Not so sure about the drunk part. Slightly inebriated, yes. Drunk? Well....it depends (which, by the way, is my favorite answer to pretty much any question).
No more angry than usual, though. Just in more of a mood to express said anger.
Understood A-Zombie. but yes you're usually a happy drunk. Usually.
That much remains clear to me, A-zombie.
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Grodd's been one of my favorite Flash villains for years, so from the first episode of the series I was happy when they started to lay the ground work for his eventual appearance. I love the way they've laid out his story in this series.
It'll be interesting to see how they mesh him in with the Gorilla's of Gorilla City on Earth-2. I recall that the Harry of Earth-2 said their gorilla's were experimented on as well. It just seems they had multiple subjects, where Earth-1 only had Grodd. I'm guessing Solovar will have similar powers, like in the comics.
Gorillas is the plural, Gorilla's is the possessive, or more rarely (since it' a noun) a contraction.
"Gorillas" means "more than one gorilla". "Gorilla's" would be either used in the context of "The gorilla's handbag" or some other possession that is owned by the gorilla (or more abstract things like "the gorilla's anger" for emotions "owned" by them), or rarely for an almost slang use like "This gorilla's crazy" ("This gorilla is crazy").
You now realize that gorilla is a very silly word.
Sun,
There's nothing silly about gorillas in my mind. Or even Gorillaz, the band.
But yes A-zombie is correct. MORE GRODD! :D
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A-Zombie,
Well maybe season 4 will fix that. I mean we all know it's coming...
Yeah I think the whole dealing with a villain in 1/10 of a second is definitely the hard part. How did they avoid that in the comics? I didn't Read A LOT of flash comics.
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Wonder if we get a fourth Wells next year?
Presumably you mean as a main cast member.
If you count actual original Wells who was replaced by Reverse Flash, and/or any of the 'alternate Wells' they looked at before choosing HR, we've already seen 4+ versions of Wells.
I suspect they will probably stick with HR with occasional appearances by Harry and/or others.
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Yeah I think the whole dealing with a villain in 1/10 of a second is definitely the hard part. How did they avoid that in the comics? I didn't Read A LOT of flash comics.
It depends. For all of Flash's power, he can't read minds and can be outsmarted. And he can't fly, so a flying opponent with any kind of ranged attack (Weather Wizard, for example), can give him trouble.
There are some villains and criminals the Flash can take down with ease: Your basic muggers/bank robbers/certain single Rogues/etc.
Others are a bit tougher for him. Grodd is not only physically stronger and tougher, but his psychic powers, genius-level intellect, and access to advanced tech make him a formidable opponent. Vandal Savage is very similar, in that regard. The same goes for Kadabra, whose tech is so advanced it looks like magic.
Then there are the Rogues as a whole. Separately, most of them can be easily picked off. When they get together, however, they can come up with plans the Flash finds it difficult to counter. In the most recent comic story, they laid false clues about a heist in another country, then hit multiple locations in Central City while Flash was busy stopping said heist and battling Mirror Master's hologram duplicates.