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Barry is SUCH an idiot. Freaking CW drama crap.
Flash has never exactly been the brain trust of the Justice League.
Drah,
Yes but you'd expect him to NOT screw up his love life THIS badly.
At least I didn't. It's one thing if Iris broke it off, but to do that to her?! After all the crap he put her and the team through?! SMH...
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Barry is SUCH an idiot. Freaking CW drama crap.Flash has never exactly been the brain trust of the Justice League.
He's a forensic scientist, highly intelligent and smart. Maybe you're thinking about when Wally West is Flash in Juscice League? Barry is one of the smartest people in the room. Except in a CW show where they had him firmly grasp the idiot ball since the start.
At least they are consistent.
Hama,
This is true. Barry should be much smarter than this. Wally...was never the brightest bulb.
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Hama,
This is true. Barry should be much smarter than this. Wally...was never the brightest bulb.
That's where I'll have to throw out some friendly disagreement, but in an "it depends" sort of way. The original, real Wally West was actually fairly intelligent. At the beginning of his own Flash series back in the 80s he was established as studying physics. And he had the benefit of experience, both his own and that of his mentors (Barry, Jay) and friends (Nightwing is a good example).
Now this new Wally - him I can't speak to, other than that he's young and inexperienced, but doesn't seem all that unintelligent.
Green,
You mean Ray Palmer? Cause he's okay but they never depended on him for being smart.
A-zombie,
I understand that. I certainly get it. But recent events in the comics makes me wonder about Wally's intelligence at times. (At least the Wally West from Pre-Flashpoint.)
TV/Comic Wally is still smart, no question, but very much an untested commodity. So for him to make mistakes is understandable.
Hama,
This is true. Barry should be much smarter than this. Wally...was never the brightest bulb.
That's where I'll have to throw out some friendly disagreement, but in an "it depends" sort of way. The original, real Wally West was actually fairly intelligent. At the beginning of his own Flash series back in the 80s he was established as studying physics. And he had the benefit of experience, both his own and that of his mentors (Barry, Jay) and friends (Nightwing is a good example).
Now this new Wally - him I can't speak to, other than that he's young and inexperienced, but doesn't seem all that unintelligent.
I could see that. I think one of Wally's problems is that he's usually surrounded by smarter people. In his own book he seemed to be benefit from that knowledge and experience... But on things like the justice League cartoon, Young Justice or the JLA books or even Titan stuff... His smarts are downplayed for Batman, Cyborg, Nightwing etc... and is usually the 'fun' guy.
Heck, even when he's around Barry or Jay He's more stuck in the 'I taught him everything he knows... but not everything 'I' Know' kind of boat. The mentors always have something else to teach.
It was always kind of a disservice to not have him be a brighter bulb than he was portrayed.
Greenie,
Not sure about ALWAYS comedic relief. I mean there's still Rory...
Phantom,
Yeah I can see that.
Feral,
This is true! But I always suspected he had the supporting cast in Catilyn (to keep him from dying) and Cisco (to you know do tech stuff).
The rest was kind of...there.
I don't think Savitar has Speed
It's the suit. It's all the suit.
"I Created Myself"
Somewhere in Central city right now some genius is building himself a Speed Suit. It'll be primative to what Savitar has now but I think that's going to be the origin point. He'll probably continue to upgrade it over the years to come, maybe even using time travel and dimension jumping to collect things he needs to evolve it. That's why he's known all over the place. An envious super genius desperately chasing after something he doesn't have, artificially mimicing what other speedsters have naturally.
I don't think Savitar has Speed
It's the suit. It's all the suit.
"I Created Myself"
Somewhere in Central city right now some genius is building himself a Speed Suit. It'll be primative to what Savitar has now but I think that's going to be the origin point. He'll probably continue to upgrade it over the years to come, maybe even using time travel and dimension jumping to collect things he needs to evolve it. That's why he's known all over the place. An envious super genius desperately chasing after something he doesn't have, artificially mimicing what other speedsters have naturally.
That was originally Professor Zoom's motif... till they eventually retconned him to have real speed, it was originally all in his suit.
I don't think its Wally I don't think he would kill his sister to get back at Barry. lol what about if it is the original wells the one thawne killed and took the place of. (Its a joke but I am not giving the writers much credit that I would put it past them.)
I don't think its Wally I don't think he would kill his sister to get back at Barry. lol what about if it is the original wells the one thawne killed and took the place of. (Its a joke but I am not giving the writers much credit that I would put it past them.)
I have to say, I'm a little disappointed they don't play more with the fact that Joe and Iris are really still complete strangers to him. They've become a really close knit family unit when just last year nobody had ever met him before or even knew he existed.
In that line of thinking... He may be pro-family right now, but I could see hypothetically him remembering the 16 years he did without them. Barry will miss them a lot more then he would O.o
Not that I really think it's wally... just saying the sister/brother bond may not be as strong as people assume.
I still say it's someone they've not met yet.
Also I don't think it's the suit. But I will admit I could be wrong.
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The Flash nixes speedster villain in season 4
This would be nice. I'll believe it when I see it, though.
My crazy predictions have always been wrong, but I'll give one anyway:
TarSpartan,
It's been suggested but so far I see no evidence other than speculation to back it up.
Kal,
It's weird but it's not any more suspicious than the fact the writers on BOTH shows don't like relationships.
A-zombie,
I thought they said the same thing about THIS season. Apparently I guess they think they can fool us twice...
Well...it was no "Once More With Feeling", but the musical episode wasn't bad. (I still feel like Supergirl hasn't had a proper crossover, since only 1% of the story took place in her show; I'll nitpick and call this a substantial guest appearance.)
Damon,
You and me both, but it was a better cross over than just random appearance.
Also Music Meister and Myx must be related is all I can figure.
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Otherwise, it was a weird, but entertaining episode. I guess now we know just which actors on the shows can't sing their way out of a wet paper bag.
Super Chick and Barry both have pretty good pipes. Same with Jesse L. Martin, although I recall reading he's been in a ton of broadway shows, so that wasn't surprising. I think it's the same for Victor Garber, with regards to broadway.
I was most surprised by the Cicso/Winn/Merlyn performance. I was unaware any of them could sing so well.
The Martian Manhunter/Kid Flash/Vibe team up was pretty cool.
RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32, 2011 Top 16
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When did Barry meet Clark?
Man, that was a tough situation. If only they had a telepath, who could get into their heads and find out what was happening.
He didn't need to have met Clark. I simply assumed that in his talks with Supergirl, she mentioned him and that he got way more coverage than she did. Then in song, Barry complimented her by referencing that. Considering I don't necessarily (though it could be cool now that I think about it) want a full episode of them just talking about their day to day, I'm fine with having to make that assumption.
Yes John Barrowman has a great voice. In fact I think they ALL had great voices.
As for why not use Telepathy instead of Vibing, my best guess is...okay it was lazy writing. But in J'znn's defense, it's kind of tricky to do surgical telepathy when you're not clear what's going on. I mean he almost died helping M'gann with her psychic attack.
But regardless, it was an episode, relationship things got resolved, Barry and Kara are happier now (plus the fact we can ALL be relieved they won't be shipping them any time soon.)
Also I got the inference was Barry was trying to help Kara feel better about being a hero when her cousin apparently steals most of the spotlight on the world stage.
Finally, Music Meister and Myx need to go do a tour of the Multiverse for us in song.
He didn't need to have met Clark. I simply assumed that in his talks with Supergirl, she mentioned him and that he got way more coverage than she did. Then in song, Barry complimented her by referencing that. Considering I don't necessarily (though it could be cool now that I think about it) want a full episode of them just talking about their day to day, I'm fine with having to make that assumption.When did Barry meet Clark?
Man, that was a tough situation. If only they had a telepath, who could get into their heads and find out what was happening.
This.
You don't have to actually meet someone to be unimpressed by them. In fact most of her world only know about Superman what Clark and Lois write about him in the paper...
That said, it's a little fuzzy right now, but I remember Barry doing some research on her world. Finding out there was no central city on her world or Star Labs, or something... I remember him pointing out some differences... So how long at superspeed does it take to find out about that earth's greatest alien hero?
If it's a plot hole... it's a really small one.
Also, I think Music Meister was a lot of fun... and honestly I think he was a better Mxyplyzyk than Mxyplyzyk was!!
Greenie,
It's a bug. Trust me. I know bugs. This is a bug.
A-zombie,
Well maybe but I still prefer my Mxy with bowler hat, cigar and looking a little like Ed Asner.
Hama,
Yes, yay. :)
Also still like Myx with a bowler, cigar and Ed Asner.
So...much like his comic book counterpart, Kadabra is a dick.
Uhm nice little "future moment" from him though about where Season 4 might be going.
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Interesting, but also a (very) little (bit) disappointing....
I loved the way Barry caught Kadabra in the end, with the vibrating jump. What was even better, and a little shocking, is the writers allowed him to do it all on his own, without having the idea fed to him by someone back at HQ.
Among the name-drops of Flash villains was DeVoe - I loved it. I hope it's a good indicator of seeing more Jay Garrick. I'm already seeing articles theorizing he'll be the main villain for season 4. That would be awesome - not a speedster, and someone who could evolve over the course of the season into an ever-greater threat.
And...now we have Killer Frost again. While I enjoy seeing Danielle Panabaker get her bad on, I actually find myself hoping they bring back Caitlin instead. She and Julian need to be a long term thing. Otherwise, Tom Felton might leave the show before Daniel Radcliffe gets to guest star and they talk about how they each seem familiar to the other. Or, even better, that kid who played Ron Weasley. That would be even funnier.
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I am pretty sure that the CW could only afford a Weasley, not a Potter :P
MMC,
They certainly can't afford an Hermonie.
A-zombie,
I think it's more the fact this version since he's not actually magically empowered AND the fact his future doesn't seem as...dystopian as the one his comic book counterpart comes from, makes him more about the art of the con/misdirect than showmanship.
I'm not sure we'll see Jay but I do agree that DeVoe (in a combined history form perhaps!) will be our next season's antagonist. Which is fine but I was hoping for more Grodd honestly.
I do agree that I'd like to see Caitlin come back. Mostly because she's kind of the "heart" of the group.
I guess when April 24th rolls around we'll see if this a permanent change *crosses fingers against that happening* or just another one off.
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I think it's more the fact this version since he's not actually magically empowered.....
That his "magic" was all tech-based is one of the things I actually liked about this version. It sticks with his original (and long running) power set. In the comics, it's what made him travel to the past to begin with - because tech had made magic obsolete, and he wanted the adulation of the audiences. Hence his moniker. I wish they'd gone more into that.
Well maybe but the thing is in comics, that I've seen, it's because he wanted to be a showman. Here, he's just a petty thief and a murderer.
Feral,
True. This version was WAY more bloodthirsty than some other Flash villains.
I think it's more the fact this version since he's not actually magically empowered.....That his "magic" was all tech-based is one of the things I actually liked about this version. It sticks with his original (and long running) power set. In the comics, it's what made him travel to the past to begin with - because tech had made magic obsolete, and he wanted the adulation of the audiences. Hence his moniker. I wish they'd gone more into that.
Awwww... are you guys saying they screwed up Abra in the comics?? I always loved the idea of time traveling super-science pretending to be magic. I thought he was one of my favorite Flash villains ever.
I hadn't heard about the 'upgrade'... way to take something unique and make it mundane...
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I think it's more the fact this version since he's not actually magically empowered.....That his "magic" was all tech-based is one of the things I actually liked about this version. It sticks with his original (and long running) power set. In the comics, it's what made him travel to the past to begin with - because tech had made magic obsolete, and he wanted the adulation of the audiences. Hence his moniker. I wish they'd gone more into that.Awwww... are you guys saying they screwed up Abra in the comics?? I always loved the idea of time traveling super-science pretending to be magic. I thought he was one of my favorite Flash villains ever.
I hadn't heard about the 'upgrade'... way to take something unique and make it mundane...
I don't recall saying the comics screwed him up. Quite the opposite, in fact. While in recent years they may have added a bit more actual magic to his power set, his personality has pretty much remained the same, albeit slightly more unhinged and murderous. His recent appearance in Titans, targeting Wally and friends, was awesome.
And while this TV version wasn't the same, it was still fun to watch. Overall, I was ok with it. The actor did a wonderful job. Very different from his performance in Antman.