Clarification of the Land Rush Mechanic


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This is an excerpt from the Land Rush Blog:

"At midnight PST each Sunday (for the ten weeks of the Land Rush), we will count up how many people are in each guild and match those numbers with the priorities for each guild. The guild with the highest population total gets their first pick. The second largest guild gets their first pick, assuming the largest guild did not take it, in which case they get their second pick. The third largest guild gets their first pick, assuming neither of the two larger guilds claimed that spot, and so on for the thirty largest guilds.

We then will create a map with icons representing those guilds that have claimed a settlement and post that new map to the Land Rush site. This process repeats each week and guilds may change position based on changes in other settlements, their guild roster, etc.

Each week a guild remains in the same location, they get a bonus to their population when determining if another guild can displace them. The bonus is larger the smaller your guild is to provide some added protection for smaller guilds. This means it is better to get in and hunker down than try and go around displacing other guilds for the hell of it. If you see someone staying put in a spot you want it’s time to get some recruits or to try and pull some of their people away."

The question I have is this:

Will you be handing out 3 Settlements every Sunday, or will all 30 be handed out on the last Sunday of the Land Rush?

The above can be interpreted to be either.

I apologize if I missed your answer in the Land Rush Blog, but I couldn't find it.

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I'm fairly certain they're going to assign all 30 lettered Settlement locations each week, and the final week will determine the "real" assignments.

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Nihimon wrote:
I'm fairly certain they're going to assign all 30 lettered Settlement locations each week, and the final week will determine the "real" assignments.

That is how I read it. Keeps the pressure on to grow your numbers (the EE numbers) and lots of possible "maneuvering" and dealing for the best perceived or desired spots.

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Nihimon wrote:
I'm fairly certain they're going to assign all 30 lettered Settlement locations each week, and the final week will determine the "real" assignments.

This was my impression as well. It's kinda like standings in sports: you can see who the leaders are each week, but it's only the final standings that really matter.

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That is the way I took it as well, but Harad and I were chatting and it wasn't 100% clear.

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Nihimon is correct.

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Thank you for clarification, Harad my friend, there is your answer.

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I take this to mean that the first three winners will make every effort to add to their ranks to not be bumped during later weeks.

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And those below them shall make every effort to add to their ranks to do some bumping. :)

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Harad Navar wrote:
I take this to mean that the first three winners will make every effort to add to their ranks to not be bumped during later weeks.

If you mean the 1st three winners of TEO, TSV, and PAX.. ugh.. sorry Pax. :P Then those are already permanent. The second Land Rush starts anew and are separate from the 1st Land Rush.

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...and they're recycling the site-letters the three chose, so you'll see new discussions about different sites called H, AB, and AD once GW announces where they are.

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T7V Jazzlvraz wrote:
...and they're recycling the site-letters the three chose, so you'll see new discussions about different sites called H, AB, and AD once GW announces where they are.

Didn't they say you could choose one if the grey sites, instead of one of the lettered sites?

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The original 3 could for Landrush Phase 1. But they all did pick lettered sites as their 1st picks. So those letters will be recycled but Phase 2 is limited to picking lettered sites.

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Nymerias wrote:
The original 3 could for Landrush Phase 1. But they all did pick lettered sites as their 1st picks. So those letters will be recycled but Phase 2 is limited to picking lettered sites.

Can confirm, that is indeed the case.

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Taylor Hainlen wrote:
Nymerias wrote:
The original 3 could for Landrush Phase 1. But they all did pick lettered sites as their 1st picks. So those letters will be recycled but Phase 2 is limited to picking lettered sites.
Can confirm, that is indeed the case.

Love them hard facts!

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Harad Navar wrote:
I take this to mean that the first three winners will make every effort to add to their ranks to not be bumped during later weeks.

I'm fairly certain that the original three locations (TEO, Pax, and TSV) are already final, and can't be changed.

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Nihimon wrote:
Harad Navar wrote:
I take this to mean that the first three winners will make every effort to add to their ranks to not be bumped during later weeks.

I'm fairly certain that the original three locations (TEO, Pax, and TSV) are already final, and can't be changed.

I took it that way as well. Those spots are taken till sieges are active.

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Here's another question: do we have to belong to a registered guild to vote?

Plenty of us wont be trying to own land, but will still clearly have a vested stake in those who do.

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This is something I have also been wondering. Settlements that will have chartered companies for example. How do the others throw in their support?

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Blaeringr wrote:

Here's another question: do we have to belong to a registered guild to vote?

Plenty of us wont be trying to own land, but will still clearly have a vested stake in those who do.

The way I read things, the answer is yes. The rules read like you must be in a company, and then the company gets the votes... Not sure though.

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Blaeringr wrote:

Here's another question: do we have to belong to a registered guild to vote?

Plenty of us wont be trying to own land, but will still clearly have a vested stake in those who do.

If you have an EE account you can apply to join any guild you want and help them get a settlement. Maybe trade your vote for promise of future favors in game? You won't get to choose settlements directly, the guild administrator does that, but you can affect what guilds get to choose. You don't have to join that settlement once the game starts; this isn't a binding contract.

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Darcnes wrote:
This is something I have also been wondering. Settlements that will have chartered companies for example. How do the others throw in their support?

Effectively we are calling all companies associated with a settlement a guild in the Land Rush. So if you are planning to be a chartered company sworn/allied with a settlement, under the Land Rush you would become a member of the guild representing that group as a whole.

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Lee Hammock wrote:
Blaeringr wrote:

Here's another question: do we have to belong to a registered guild to vote?

Plenty of us wont be trying to own land, but will still clearly have a vested stake in those who do.

If you have an EE account you can apply to join any guild you want and help them get a settlement. Maybe trade your vote for promise of future favors in game? You won't get to choose settlements directly, the guild administrator does that, but you can affect what guilds get to choose. You don't have to join that settlement once the game starts; this isn't a binding contract.

This seems in conflict with earlier information, can we be relatively assured that this is indeed the case?

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Lee Hammock wrote:
Blaeringr wrote:

Here's another question: do we have to belong to a registered guild to vote?

Plenty of us wont be trying to own land, but will still clearly have a vested stake in those who do.

If you have an EE account you can apply to join any guild you want and help them get a settlement. Maybe trade your vote for promise of future favors in game? You won't get to choose settlements directly, the guild administrator does that, but you can affect what guilds get to choose. You don't have to join that settlement once the game starts; this isn't a binding contract.

If I "join a guild" will that be visible to others on the forums? Some people, and my group's not the only one, have arrangements to support other guilds and said arrangements are only known to the officers/leadership. Can I do this in the landrush without making it public knowledge?

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Blaeringr wrote:
Lee Hammock wrote:
Blaeringr wrote:

Here's another question: do we have to belong to a registered guild to vote?

Plenty of us wont be trying to own land, but will still clearly have a vested stake in those who do.

If you have an EE account you can apply to join any guild you want and help them get a settlement. Maybe trade your vote for promise of future favors in game? You won't get to choose settlements directly, the guild administrator does that, but you can affect what guilds get to choose. You don't have to join that settlement once the game starts; this isn't a binding contract.
If I "join a guild" will that be visible to others on the forums? Some people, and my group's not the only one, have arrangements to support other guilds and said arrangements are only known to the officers/leadership. Can I do this in the landrush without making it public knowledge?

Only members of a guild may see who is a member of that guild, so it would not be 'public' knowledge but there is no system currently to hide from members of the guild you are 'joining'

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Pax Charlie George wrote:
Lee Hammock wrote:
Blaeringr wrote:

Here's another question: do we have to belong to a registered guild to vote?

Plenty of us wont be trying to own land, but will still clearly have a vested stake in those who do.

If you have an EE account you can apply to join any guild you want and help them get a settlement. Maybe trade your vote for promise of future favors in game? You won't get to choose settlements directly, the guild administrator does that, but you can affect what guilds get to choose. You don't have to join that settlement once the game starts; this isn't a binding contract.
This seems in conflict with earlier information, can we be relatively assured that this is indeed the case?

Six months into beta are we going to stop and check to make sure everyone is in the settlement they are supposed to be in based on this vote? No, we're not going to do that. People get mad at each other, things change, stuff happens.

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Lee Hammock wrote:
Pax Charlie George wrote:
Lee Hammock wrote:
Blaeringr wrote:

Here's another question: do we have to belong to a registered guild to vote?

Plenty of us wont be trying to own land, but will still clearly have a vested stake in those who do.

If you have an EE account you can apply to join any guild you want and help them get a settlement. Maybe trade your vote for promise of future favors in game? You won't get to choose settlements directly, the guild administrator does that, but you can affect what guilds get to choose. You don't have to join that settlement once the game starts; this isn't a binding contract.
This seems in conflict with earlier information, can we be relatively assured that this is indeed the case?
Six months into beta are we going to stop and check to make sure everyone is in the settlement they are supposed to be in based on this vote? No, we're not going to do that. People get mad at each other, things change, stuff happens.

Fair enough. Thank you for the clarification.

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Fair enough. I have no problem making up a nonsense name for the new forums. As far as most people will know, Blaeringr will not be playing PFO anymore.

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/WTS: Land Rush 2 Vote. 0.000001btc PST

;)

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@ Lee Hammock

Shouldn't the names on the Land Rush be the proposed settlement name and not the company name of the sponsors?

This is because according to Lee's recent post it appears that multiple companies or unaffiliated individuals can vote for whatever "settlement" they wish to. There is no obligation that they must be in the sponsoring company.

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Bluddwolf wrote:

@ Lee Hammock

Shouldn't the names on the Land Rush be the proposed settlement name and not the company name of the sponsors?

This is because according to Lee's recent post it appears that multiple companies or unaffiliated individuals can vote for whatever "settlement" they wish to. There is no obligation that they must be in the sponsoring company.

This makes the most sense to me too.

Basically, as individuals, you decide to throw your lot in with one of those settlements; how you organize yourself, or even whether you decide to live there later is up to you...later.

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It would definitely make more sense to have members organize behind a settlement rather than an organization to which they would only share the settlement with.

It really seems like a lot of people simply feel like joining a guild infers things about the state of their relationship with their chosen companies. It would be much more straightforward to state which settlement you wish to support, regardless of company affiliation. This would help with matching to settlement posts in the forums as well.

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We debated this into an endless circle. In the end we decided that since the promotion is for Guilds, that is what we should call it and how it would be organized. There's plenty of good arguments on the other side but we had to pick one and this is what we picked.

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Is GW planning on having company organizations for characters to join on the main site? Or is guild the only organization we would belong to, and is that itself only temporary?

If no plans are made for this, would it be possible that GW is willing to open up a very simple API sooner than later to retrieve character data that we could use to make community sites that organize the official characters into the structures we want?

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The guild land rush is just a promotion on the web site and when it is over the use of "Guild" in our terminology will cease.

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People know what a guild is. "Oh my guild can get a place to live and defend? That's cool!"

Vs.

People that haven't been paying attention are the target audience see settlement land rush. "What's a settlement? How does it work? That sounds complicated."

The intent is to draw more attention to PFO, so you have to use terms people know.

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Ryan Dancey wrote:
The guild land rush is just a promotion on the web site and when it is over the use of "Guild" in our terminology will cease.

FINALLY! Thank You :)

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*New guy on the Goblinworks forum 1 year from now*:

"Hi, me and my Guild are thinking of playing PFO, anyone know of a good settlement we can join?"

*Everybody piles up on New Guy explaining "it's companies, COMPANIES!"*

It will be interesting to see how entire Guilds will port over to PFO. Obviously forming a Company seems the logical thing to do at first, but Companies in PFO seem to have a somewhat different goal then the average Guild. More focus on an activity like establishing a PoI, possibly more focus on certain Roles/builds too. And then there's alignment off course....

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They should be saying "Settlements, Setlements!" Tbh.

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Our guild will ultimately have several companies and will, likely, need to have several settlements for training (or at least allied settlements) if what we understand about upper tier training is accurate.

So in some sense a guild is a outside-of-game collection of people, who might choose to organize within the game in different ways and at different levels.

I'm glad to see the clarification that the term guild is going to be set aside for the in-game organizational structure!

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