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It is talking about bonus attacks or extra attacks.
Not all bonuses and all extra attacks.
Agreed. Otherwise you'd have to drop your Strength bonus--it's an ability, after all. And that would be quite silly.
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It's (bonus or extra) (attacks)
Not (bonus) or (extra attacks)
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I hasten to add that one can not use Vital Strike with Whirlwind, as it actually specifies one (1) single attack for that feat.
Grog, my weapon master with a scythe, uses Whirlwind, lunge and power attack. Come on... Crit... CRiT!!!
More accurately, you can't use Vital Strike with Whirlwind Attack because Vital Strike only works with the attack action and Whirlwind Attack is its own full-round action.
I see your scythe and raise you an enlarged whip master with lunge. Trip ALL the things in a 20- to 40-foot* range!
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More accurately, you can't use Vital Strike with Whirlwind Attack because Vital Strike only works with the attack action and Whirlwind Attack is its own full-round action.
Actually, Whirlwind Attack is not a seperate full-round action, it's an option for the ful attack action: "When you use the full-attack action, you can give up your regular attacks and instead..."
This means you can Whirlwind-Pounce.
More accurately, you can't use Vital Strike with Whirlwind Attack because Vital Strike only works with the attack action and Whirlwind Attack is its own full-round action.
Actually, Whirlwind Attack is not a seperate full-round action, it's an option for the ful attack action: "When you use the full-attack action, you can give up your regular attacks and instead..."
This means you can Whirlwind-Pounce.
Had not noticed! Mwahahaha.
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Pounce? Isn't that a charge action? One can not charge and use Whirlwind at the same time, they both use full round actions.
You also wouldn't get any extra attacks, as your actually replacing them with a single attack against all opponents within reach.
It helps to know what Pounce does. Since specifically it allows you to use a Full Attack when charging. As has been covered previously in this thread you may Whirlwind whenever you could use the Full Attack action.
The idea would be to claim position quickly and then kill everything in a large radius. You could get even further out if you bought items to that effect.
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Just going to throw this out there:
Fluid Form stacks with polymorph spells (it itself not being a polymorph spell).
So... Form of Giant (Huge Sized, +15 ft) + Fluid Form (+10 ft) + Lunge (+5 feet) = 30ft natural reach, or 15-45 with a reach weapon, or 0-60 with a whip (dpends on how GM rules on whips, I have no opinion, just used what made sense at the time: whip triples natural reach)
Or would the reach from fluid form affect how reach weapons work too? Would the reach weapon do 25-55 and the whip 0-80?
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OK... looking at my character.
Can he Spring Attack, and whirlwind at the point of attack?
Oh, with Power Attack and Lunge?
Benefit: As a full-round action, you can move up to your speed and make a single melee attack without provoking any attacks of opportunity from the target of your attack. You can move both before and after the attack, but you must move at least 10 feet before the attack and the total distance that you move cannot be greater than your speed. You cannot use this ability to attack a foe that is adjacent to you at the start of your turn.
Well, since Spring Attack is a Full-Round Action, not a Charge, you can't Pounce. Since it only allows a single Melee Attack, you cannot Whirlwind...but you can use Power Attack and Lunge.
Uh, maybe I'm just a dumbass, but what's the difference between a bonus attack and an extra attack? XD
Has whirlwind attack changed recently?
From how I thought it worked was you started it on your turn and then it's effects happened on the next round right before your turn.
Which is totally useless. Maybe I'm wrong?
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Lemartes -- Whirlwind is used with a full round action, which is not the same as a 1 round casting cost for a spell.
It is the same as a full attack, exchanging your iterives for a shot at all targets in reach.
So you still do the attacks during your turn, it just uses your full round to do so, so the character has only swift or free actions left afterward. (most likely done with the turn after the attacks resolve)
If whirlwind was as you indicated, so would a full attack for a two weapon user.
Thanks...thaX...heheh
That's how I thought it should work but there was a thread that said otherwise a while go.
On a Whirlwind Pounce, do you get the +2 charge bonus on all of the attacks?As I recall all Pounce attacks gets the +2 charge bonus, so it would follow that you get the same benefit on the Whirlwind Attack.
IMO, No whirlwind on a pounce, and +2 only on the first attack in a charge/pounce.
Wasn't there a FAQ a while back saying that only fist attack of pounce gets the +2 bonus? I think I remember it coming about due to the ragelancepounce shenanigans.
Does this mean, if a magus has a held charge, that it can be unleashed against all targets of a whirlwind attack?
...also what about:
spell/hex strike
stunning fist
elemental fist
combat maneuvers (trip, sunder, disarm)?
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No, the spell is only released against the first target. If you had multiple charges, such as frostbite, you could release one charge per person. This is because you are making a separate attack roll for each target.
spell/hex strike requires swift action, so only 1
stunning fist is once per round
elemental fist is once per round
But you could attempt a combat maneuver that replaces a melee attack, so trip, sunder, disarm, and some others with the "quick ----" feats.
Got it. Thanks!
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What about a 20th level summoner?
an eidolon with 8 feats have ww, greater trip and combat reflexes.
You could take the pounce and trip evolutions for a point a piece and put the other 24 into reach on the bite attack to have melee attack reach of 125 feet. Pounce is probably not needed. I thing I would give up 45 feet or reach to be huge with an 80 foot reach. If you drop to a 60 foot reach you could pick up grab and constrict.
Attack all with in 60 feet after a charge. Each attack allows for grapple check witch leads to a constrict damage. Then you trip the fellow and grab plus constrict again on the AoO that also does damage.
Eidolons and evolutions just...don't work that way.
Unless otherwise noted, each evolution can only be selected once.
One of an eidolon’s attacks is capable of striking at foes at a distance. Pick one attack. The eidolon’s reach with that attack increases by 5 feet
As would I.