Well , you can always start with adding templates to the orc. Half fiend's or fiendish orcs, half dragon orcs, vampire orcs, etc. One thing i like to do as well, is give the orcs some pc levels. For this fight, based on power of pc's (assuming 4), 3 level 7 ranger orcs all ranged, 2 Level 10 melee orcs of (insert class) and a level 12 spell caster (shaman like).
I am not at my home computer where i can throw these together for you, but i am sure someone else can. A real good program, though it costs money is herolab. Lets you play with all this stuff. You did state you only needed 2 level 10-11 orcs, how big is your party? I think standard average is four, and four people of the same level, would probably still rip through 2 same level enemies, orc or otherwise. If you really want only 2 orcs, i would aim for level 14-15 with a 20% HP boost and the half fiend template. Just my 2cp
Are you asking about miniatures? Or how to ad class levels on top of the monsters in the books?
For the first i dont know. For the second just litterally ad them on top.
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hi guys and girls i have in my game PCs of level 9-13 how doe i get my orcs i have westwinds orcs that are full plate and nasty but the die to easy can one of you rite me some stats so i can wipe the smile off there faces they are black orcs and from now on they will not be green i like the color in the last hobbit film.
harry a new cummer to pathfinder ive played rune quest for 30 yrs.
Well, orcs are supposed to be weak,, which is why you get hordes of them to form the bulk of the minions in the armies --- and then there's the real challenge, the orcs' boss.
Saying "orcs are weak" is like saying "humans are weak" -- by and large, this is true, which is why everyone runs away from Godzilla.
Generally, the not-weak ones, orcs or humans, are the ones with class levels.
So the short answer is: give the orcs that you want not to be weak class levels. An orc with 10 levels of fighter is a CR 9 encounter if he has NPC wealth. But few game worlds would have a band of thirty 10th level fighters wandering around.
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As Orfamay said, class levels. Orcs work well with barbarian levels. If you're determined that they have full plate, fighter is simpler.
My (advanced) suggestion would be to have a look at 'Orcs of Golarion' and think about all the horrifying things a band of Orc barbarians with teamwork feats can do...
Don't have all the orcs be melee beatsticks. Include some druids. Have a scarred witch doctor or two. Give some of the orcs bows. For a competent level 12 party, no number of orc barbarians with falchions is going to be a challenging yet fair encounter. You have to give your orcs more options if you want them to stand a chance against your party.
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Depend how much cheese you want to go for...here's a very cheesy orc combo:
Male Orc Scarred Witch 5/Urban Barbarian 1 (for controlled rage)/Eldritch Knight 5.
Scarred witch is a witch orc archetype which only uses Constitution instead of Intelligence for the save dc or spells and hexes. Urban Barbarian gives controlled rage which technically should allow you to use skills with concentration so spells usually I would say ask gm permission but in your case, you are the gm! Eldritch Knight to get full bab and spellcasting progression.
Don't forget to grab arcane armor training to so you can wear a light armor without arcane spellfailure, mithral breastplate to make it light...is a decent armor.
^ only downside to above post, is that unless you say the armor is damaged (i know some dm's that do that) that now goes in their bags... i prefer to beef the creature, not the gear. Mithral armors arent cheap.
^ only downside to above post, is that unless you say the armor is damaged (i know some dm's that do that) that now goes in their bags... i prefer to beef the creature, not the gear. Mithral armors arent cheap.
Tchaaaah. This is an APL 12group. They're supposed to have more than 100K gold each. This barely moves the needle.
hi guys level 12 pcs against orcs ,how do i get harder orcs as mine are clad in plate armor westwinds the best looking orcs around but they stand no chance against the hard pcs can some body jot a orc stats for a level 10 -11 orc so i can wipe the smile off their face,black orcs full plate with comd,thanks harry
Stats for Valeros, the iconic fighter, are available at http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/npcCodex/iconic/valeros.html
If you print this out and tell your party that he's an orc, not a human, they will never know the difference, and he will be a truly BAMF.
Having said this, he is tricked out with PC-level equipment, and he would be a very profitable encounter for most groups. (His breastplate alone is worth on the close order of 20,000 gp.)
^ only downside to above post, is that unless you say the armor is damaged (i know some dm's that do that) that now goes in their bags... i prefer to beef the creature, not the gear. Mithral armors arent cheap.
You really don't; you could say the armor, being sized for an orc, just can't be made to fit the PCs, due to the difference in body-mass. Or, as I like to do, don't tell them at all. Even if building enemies using PC rules is the most expedient option doesn't mean that's what's actually going on. You're the DM; you're in control of what is real and what isn't. A Scarred Witch Doctor might have the Toughness of someone in a mithral breastplate, but that doesn't mean it's wearing one.
Then again, I'm in the minority, probably. I've come around to building NPCs using PC rules, simply due to expediency, but I still like making enemies from scratch even when otherwise they might be described, by others, as having class levels.
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Look up a CR 12 humanoid creature, like a giant.
Change whatever you need to make it fit (size, immunities, etc).
Don't let the players look at your stuff.
Done.
EDIT: Optionally, you could do a lot of paperwork to add a number of class levels to each orc, and do lots of math to prove it is "fair". I don't really ever feel the need to do that, though.
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Holy crap. Please learn to spell and punctuate. I had no idea what the heck you were asking.
Holy crap. Please learn to spell and punctuate. I had no idea what the heck you were asking.
Zhayne, this guy obviously is not used to English. Either its a second language or he is pretty young. There's no need to grammar nazi him. If you dont understand, don't post, it's pretty simple. Honestly, though, were you surprised? His title was "week orcs" not weak orcs. I originally only looked at post because wondered what orcs had to do with the days of the week...
Either its a second language or he is pretty young.
Those are not the only explanations.
I'm more of a grammar scold than most, but I understood his question. Back to the topic!
Maybe add an Orc boss or sub-boss that has class levels as a scarred witch-doctor. A couple of Orc fighters and that should make the PC's look at orcs a little differently.
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What's a Westwind Orc?
I presume Westwind is referring to a miniature company.
Basically, he's saying he has a bunch of orc miniatures he wants to use on the table, but he doesn't want to use default orc stats because his players will crush them.
Maybe. That's my interpretation.
Google is my friend!
Seems they are, in fact, a miniature.
I'm guessing he means these.
To me, they look like they're wearing either Hide Armor or Half Plate and wield light shields.
They wield a combination of axes, falchions, and (one) mace (and it kind of looks like one goblin is maybe riding an orc is wielding a broken great sword or something, though I don't know for sure).
They could be wearing piece meal armor, but I don't think harry wants to bother with that much complication.
I really don't know what "comd" is, I'm afraid.
Anyway, the easiest way to do what you're asking is to follow Mythic Evil Lincoln's suggestion: crack open your Bestiary 1, look up the "Giant" entry, find a CR 10-12 appropriate creature, and reduce their size to medium without altering their numbers in the slightest.
Then call them "orcs" and tell your players that they look like the miniatures.
Viola! Instant orcs.
Google is my friend!
Seems they are, in fact, a miniature.
I'm guessing he means these.
To me, they look like they're wearing either Hide Armor or Half Plate and wield light shields.
They wield a combination of axes, falchions, and (one) mace (and it kind of looks like one goblin is maybe riding an orc is wielding a broken great sword or something, though I don't know for sure).
They could be wearing piece meal armor, but I don't think harry wants to bother with that much complication.
I really don't know what "comd" is, I'm afraid.
Anyway, the easiest way to do what you're asking is to follow Mythic Evil Lincoln's suggestion: crack open your Bestiary 1, look up the "Giant" entry, find a CR 10-12 appropriate creature, and reduce their size to medium without altering their numbers in the slightest.
Then call them "orcs" and tell your players that they look like the miniatures.
Viola! Instant orcs.
This is the easy way to do it (and I'm all for reskinning and reflavouring as needed), but, for the sake of having an interesting encounter, you might want to add some more specialized Orcs, like the above mentioned Witch Doctors and Archers, or even Half-Orc Bards (which, again, don't necessarily need to be called half-orcs or even bards, but rather, can be "Orc Warleaders" or something)
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Google is my friend!
Seems they are, in fact, a miniature.
I'm guessing he means these.
Heh, those are Mantic Orcs
West Wind makes the Dwarf Wars series and their orcs are shown HERE
Mantic makes the Kings of War series, which those Orks are from and they can be found HERE
Also that is a drumstick, not a mace :)
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orc barbarian/rogues with amplified rage and tribe mentality. Maybe make them armored hulks and thug rogues. And of course power attack. 4 of them with 5 levels of rogue with 3 barbarian gets somewhat nasty. All they have to do is flank, maybe throw in pack attack so they can surround the party rather quickly. To make it a CR 12 encounter throw in one more orc, or add one more level of barbarian or rogue to the mix.
Lvl 5 Rogue (thug archetype)/3 Barbarian (armored hulk), each orc is a CR 7
Str 18 Attacks: Mwk Greataxe +11/+6
Dex 13 AC: 20 (nothing too special, but hey they are wearing plate mail)
Con 14
Int 8
Wis 10
Cha 8
Feats: Amplified Rage, Pack Attack, Cornugon smash, Power Attack (combat trick from the rogue), Intimidating Prowess.
Get them flanking a pc, "sneak" attack with a +8 morale bonus to strength from amplified rage for a mere 2d6 extra and then since you crank out intimidate as much as you can with your now amazing strength bonus and full ranks plus orc racial bonus proceed to scare the pc's into fleeing.
As Orfamay said, class levels. Orcs work well with barbarian levels. If you're determined that they have full plate, fighter is simpler.
My (advanced) suggestion would be to have a look at 'Orcs of Golarion' and think about all the horrifying things a band of Orc barbarians with teamwork feats can do...
Barbarian orcs with heavy armour proficiency, hur hur hur hur.
Google is my friend!
Seems they are, in fact, a miniature.
I'm guessing he means these.
Heh, those are Mantic Orcs
West Wind makes the Dwarf Wars series and their orcs are shown HERE
Mantic makes the Kings of War series, which those Orks are from and they can be found HERE
Also that is a drumstick, not a mace :)
WELP! So much for my friendship with Google! It's over between us!
(No, not really. I'm sorry, Google, I didn't mean it.)Also, you can tell how much I play with/pay attention to miniatures.
Mostly my analysis was attempting to understand what, exactly, we were dealing with and, though I saw the black-and-white picture, I figured the color one was easier to analyze as my eyes just kind of glazed over the other.
And, while did look drum-stick-ish, I just presumed it was a mace as they were supposed to be threatening.
That'll learn me. :)