Has anyone at Paizo thought of making a Rogue-Sorcerer Class also? I don't have a name for it but I think it would be a very useful class for adventuring?
I currently have a Rogue 5th, Wizard 1st that I play doing our Modules night and he gets quite a bit of benefit from his Wizard class. I have no regrets weakening his Rogue class to give him that level of Wizard.
Think about it... okay?
I'm sure at least some of the Development Team has considered it before. What rogue and sorcerer abilities would you expect to see in such a class--what are "must haves" and what are "nice to haves"? Why rogue and sorcerer and not rogue and wizard (or does it matter to you)?
Since the ACG classes are pretty well locked in, maybe this thread should be moved to a different forum?
Arcane Trickster is a good class to take for that character. I like intelligent Rogues -- they get a ton of skills. And Rogue/Wizard was my favorite character type when I played 2nd Edition. Now I would probably limit Rogue to 5th level (or less) like you have done.
Personally I would think that Ninja is a better fit for Sorcerer because you get a bit more out of your Charisma. But Rogue would certainly not lose anything from it.
As for a special multiclass-in-one class? Are you thinking a Rogue that has a Bloodline? Would this character be the sort of underworld aristocrat? If so, I could see some fun criminal-noble abilities cropping up. In my 2nd Edition days, I had a ton of fun playing in what we called "Thief Wars" where guilds would fight each other, kind of a fantasy version of gang wars, but cooler. I would see the more "evil" and "sinister" bloodlines in such a path. Maybe each Bloodline is a familial line, where the characters have both a benefit from, and a obligation to, that family line. It would be Shadow vs. Abyssal, Infernal vs. Undead, etc.
Hmmm, this is giving me some cool ideas for my own campaign. :)
Arcane Trickster is a good class to take for that character.
This is a strong enough archetype to warrant a base class entry in a book like ACG, IMHO.
One of Malhovoc's books had a Gutter Mage, that was a spellcasting rogue.
Personally I like Shinobi as a name for such a class.
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Has anyone at Paizo thought of making a Rogue-Sorcerer Class also? I don't have a name for it but I think it would be a very useful class for adventuring?
I currently have a Rogue 5th, Wizard 1st that I play doing our Modules night and he gets quite a bit of benefit from his Wizard class. I have no regrets weakening his Rogue class to give him that level of Wizard.Think about it... okay?
You mean the Bard?
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I like this idea, though I wouldn't give it actual spellcasting. Maybe this could be where a Warlock like flavor comes in, with a ray attack that progressively gets better. Give it rogue skills, good Ref and Will, some built in stealth enablers and go to town. I wouldn't give it actual sneak attack, at least not on top of a magic ray attack that gets up to 10d6.
I like this idea, though I wouldn't give it actual spellcasting. Maybe this could be where a Warlock like flavor comes in, with a ray attack that progressively gets better. Give it rogue skills, good Ref and Will, some built in stealth enablers and go to town. I wouldn't give it actual sneak attack, at least not on top of a magic ray attack that gets up to 10d6.
even if you gave it sneak attack on top of the ray and allowed iterative sneak attacking rays, it still wouldn't be a lot of DPR for that level.
though the idea i had in mind for such a class
is an assassin type that uses magic to cloak themselves and set up sneak attacks, gain unique senses and unique ways to gather information, gain a handful of combat oriented buffs, and some of the general stuff like trapfinding, trap spotter and the like.
My Rogue-5, Wizard-1 uses mainly spells that enhance his Rogue Abilities. Besides Shield, other helpful spells are Mage Hand, Detect Magic (good way to find hidden magic items), unseen servant (trap finder), Wand of Invisibility, etc. I think you get the idea. I consider offensive spells a waste since he does better with S Swd and L Xbow if he adds Sneak Atk.
Sorcerer might be better since rogues use a high Cha score for Feint, but Wiz is ok also if Int=12+ and you select Abjuration School.
You mean the Bard?Has anyone at Paizo thought of making a Rogue-Sorcerer Class also? I don't have a name for it but I think it would be a very useful class for adventuring?
I currently have a Rogue 5th, Wizard 1st that I play doing our Modules night and he gets quite a bit of benefit from his Wizard class. I have no regrets weakening his Rogue class to give him that level of Wizard.Think about it... okay?
hey, the inquisitor exists but the warpriest still got made.
One of Malhovoc's books had a Gutter Mage, that was a spellcasting rogue.
Personally I like Shinobi as a name for such a class.
or perhaps beguiler.
I wish Wayfinder #10 was out...
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You mean the Bard?Has anyone at Paizo thought of making a Rogue-Sorcerer Class also? I don't have a name for it but I think it would be a very useful class for adventuring?
I currently have a Rogue 5th, Wizard 1st that I play doing our Modules night and he gets quite a bit of benefit from his Wizard class. I have no regrets weakening his Rogue class to give him that level of Wizard.Think about it... okay?
hey, the inquisitor exists but the warpriest still got made.
The Inquisitor was more a rogue/cleric hybrid.
The Inquisitor was more a rogue/cleric hybrid.You mean the Bard?Has anyone at Paizo thought of making a Rogue-Sorcerer Class also? I don't have a name for it but I think it would be a very useful class for adventuring?
I currently have a Rogue 5th, Wizard 1st that I play doing our Modules night and he gets quite a bit of benefit from his Wizard class. I have no regrets weakening his Rogue class to give him that level of Wizard.Think about it... okay?
hey, the inquisitor exists but the warpriest still got made.
i thought more ranger/cleric, but whatev.
it's still yet another divine buffy 3/4BAB martial character (next to the battle cleric and inquisitor, and less so the paladin)
I must say I'm a little disappointed there is no Tricksy Mage base class in the ACG, but I'm liking what I'm seeing in it so much that I don't really mind.
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Arcanist/Rogue/Arcane Trickster looks interesting. The flexibility of the Arcanist spells melded with the sneaky thief. This build could respond to a LOT of situations.
You could use a ninja or hunter here just as easily, and likely to better effect.
I'd imagine a lot of people don't actually like the singing and commandery stuff in their "magical thief". If you ever played 3.5, Beguilers were a blast to play and I'd imagine people would like something like that.You mean the Bard?Has anyone at Paizo thought of making a Rogue-Sorcerer Class also? I don't have a name for it but I think it would be a very useful class for adventuring?
I currently have a Rogue 5th, Wizard 1st that I play doing our Modules night and he gets quite a bit of benefit from his Wizard class. I have no regrets weakening his Rogue class to give him that level of Wizard.Think about it... okay?
beguilers were indeed a blast to play, the only thing they were lacking, was a means to deal HP damage. they had all sorts of conditions they could set up with the help of the spell compendium, but no way to exploit them. Shadow Ribbon was an awesome spell that was available quite early, 10 by 10 radius (effectively 25 feet) cube of will save or be pinned by freaking ribbons Puella Magi style. great way to create coup de grace fodder without an HD limit.
Well since we have bloodline class(sorcerer) that focuses on magic, another one for martial(bloodrager), then one bloodline themed class that is a skill based one would be interesting.
I wonder how a 4th level arcanist / 3rd level ninja will do entering arcane trickster?
While it doesn't get Sneak Attack, an Umbral Wildblooded Sorcerer (especially a Fetchling) does an awesome job of handling the sneakiness of a Rogue.
I saw a Rogue build that took a level of Umbral Wildblooded Sorcerer so it could hide in the shadows and use Ray of Frost to sneak attack. Seemed like a pretty cool idea.
I saw a Rogue build that took a level of Umbral Wildblooded Sorcerer so it could hide in the shadows and use Ray of Frost to sneak attack. Seemed like a pretty cool idea.
Yeah, but it kind of gives away your position when you have to wave your hands and pronounce the verbal components in a loud, clear voice. I'm surprised that the rules aren't a little more explicit about not dealing sneak attack damage with spells, since getting it on a ranged touch attack is pretty brutal.