They are just down right scary.
1. Can get an animal companion. Limited list but does include tiger!
2. Can replace Dex with Cha for AC bonus and reflexes!
3. Can take wild-shape at 7th. Instead of getting the ability to turn into elementals/plants they get the ability to turn into magic beasts.
4. Can get any natural attack type they want to add to their attack set. 2 at 11th.
I can easily see this becoming the new druid.
So at 13th level
20 dex
+6 dex item
+8 dex wildshape into tiny dweomercat cub.
feats: weapon finesse, piranha strike, aasimar celestial wildshape feat (forget name)
items; rhinohide armor, agile,holy amulet of mighty fists
while smiting you would do after 7 attacks (+2 from lunar) an average of 318 damage as a tiny creature on a pounce!
natural spell feat
BBT is making light of the fact that the lunar mystery oracle does not actually get the class feature titled "Wild Shape", which is a prerequisite for the Natural Spell feat.
natural spell feat
B!+@#, please: Prerequisites: Wis 13, wild shape class feature.
As written, no you can not. It would not be unreasonable for a GM to allow it though.
They also get a darkvision that doesn't work if there are moonless nights, cloudy skies, or shadows. Which basically means almost never...
I'd imagine you could make a character with a concept very similar to a druid with them, but you do lack casting while in an animal shape. Is there a magical beast that can use vocal and somatic components? They can speak and they do have limbs.
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The mystery is really good. All of its revelations are good. It has many of the things you'd want in a shapeshifter character concept without having to wait until later levels. On top of it, you can shoot laser beams. And the beams blind people, so it's not a worthless blast like the common ray attacks sorcerer bloodlines get.
I don't think the mystery is overpowered -- well, okay, maybe it is. However, it's just that every revelation is pretty solid in terms of flavor and mechanical benefit. Many mysteries have abilities that are complete duds -- one even flat out makes your character unplayable if you use it.
The thing that bothered me the most about the druid class is that there's currently no archetype that focuses on werewolf-like shapeshifting fighter. If you want to play a shapeshifter, you have to wait until level 4 to get the ability central to your character concept.
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The mystery is really good. All of its revelations are good.
All of them? Even one the darkvision one that doesn't work at night?
Form of the beast is a lot weaker than wildshape. Notice the one time per day thing? The class list is also a lot weaker for shapechangers and AC buffing.
It's a weak druid with some cool other powers. However, in no way is the lunar oracle weak, it's just not as strong as a druid.
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Erm, it's going to work most nights where you can see the moon. That's what that text is saying. Cloudy skies aren't "a sky with a single cloud". It's "a sky where you can't see the moon because there are so many damn clouds".
It's a very strong mystery. It's true that they can't take Natural Shape, but that ability is still very good.
You can get an automatic free augury. And that gets upgraded as commune later on. Solid.
Touch of the Moon (inflict) is pretty solid, especially if you have a way to cast the Inflict spell as part of an attack. Like a spell-storing weapon.
It's stronger than most mysteries out there, that's for sure.
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I'm fairly certain the moonlight requirement refers to the true seeing aspect. It makes sense that way because the true seeing works in moonlight and moonlight cannot cast effectively if the target is in shadows or if the clouds obscure the moon. It doesn't make sense that darkvision would fail unless the moon creates dim light -- in other words, it makes no sense for darkvision to only work in conditions where darkvision doesn't apply.
Touch of the Moon (inflict) is pretty solid, especially if you have a way to cast the Inflict spell as part of an attack. Like a spell-storing weapon.
I really like that ability. I actually want to see more abilities from any class that interact with inflict spells.
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If a 2 level delay on wildshape makes a druid archetype a waste of paper a 3 level delay makes this completely useless as a replacement. The game'll be nigh half over and even longer before you get the good forms.
That's only looking at wildshaping though. A druid has three main features; spellcasting, wild shaping, animal companion.
An aasimar oracle is waaay stronger in terms of companion, on par with the casting, and a bit weaker with wild shaping.
A casting-focused aasimar lunar oracle will probably be stronger than a casting-focused druid. A druid will have better defenses though, being able to cast from bird shape.
A wild-shape focused druid will probably be stronger than a wild-shape focused aasimar lunar oracle. An oracle will have a much fatter companion though.
Just looked over the magical beasts. Looks like about half of them have the ability to speak at least one language.
Now, what happens if your animal companion becomes a magical beast, and has learned a language? (Celestial Servant feat.)
Can it now talk?
If I remember correctly, there was a post somewhere that said your animal companion can never actually learn a language to speak and such, even if you change his type and raise him to 3 int. I can't remember where I saw it though. I think I remember it said something a long the lines of "its still just an animal'. Bleh, memory.
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If I remember correctly, there was a post somewhere that said your animal companion can never actually learn a language to speak and such, even if you change his type and raise him to 3 int. I can't remember where I saw it though. I think I remember it said something a long the lines of "its still just an animal'. Bleh, memory.Now, what happens if your animal companion becomes a magical beast, and has learned a language? (Celestial Servant feat.)
Can it now talk?
I've read that, but it doesn't mention type. All it says is that even if you can get his Int to 18, he can't speak. It's in the FAQ.
You could also dump dex now with Prophetic Armor.
Now, what happens if your animal companion becomes a magical beast, and has learned a language? (Celestial Servant feat.)
Can it now talk?
The Paizo Blog states that an intelligent animal can learn a language, but usually can't actually speak it. They would only be able to understand it.
The Paizo Blog states that an intelligent animal can learn a language, but usually can't actually speak it. They would only be able to understand it.Now, what happens if your animal companion becomes a magical beast, and has learned a language? (Celestial Servant feat.)
Can it now talk?
Jojo the celestial super gorilla isn't an animal though, he's a magical beast!
I think that's what Morph is asking about. Personally I'm not a big fan of the animals never learning to talk thing in the first place.
The Paizo Blog states that an intelligent animal can learn a language, but usually can't actually speak it. They would only be able to understand it.Now, what happens if your animal companion becomes a magical beast, and has learned a language? (Celestial Servant feat.)
Can it now talk?
Jojo the celestial super gorilla isn't an animal though, he's a magical beast!
I think that's what Morph is asking about. Personally I'm not a big fan of the animals never learning to talk thing in the first place.
There's a FAQ for that too.
The celestial template doesn't grant speech, so it would not grant speech to an intelligent super gorilla.
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The celestial template doesn't grant speech, so it would not grant speech to an intelligent super gorilla.
Poor animals, they needs more luv.
One thing I just noticed about Form of The Beast. It doesn't say class level or character level for the abilities. If its character then this would be great to dip.
One thing I just noticed about Form of The Beast. It doesn't say class level or character level for the abilities. If its character then this would be great to dip.
If it doesn't specify for an ability gained by a class, it defaults to levels of that class for the ability.
actually it looks like the darkvision is permanent, but the true seeing is limited to the lunar cycle.
Would the deaf curse stop working in Form of the Beast? If not, free silent spell. No Natural Spell needed. Also, I've been tricked into assisting a necro. Darn!
