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So, every now and then I hear people mention this feat chain, and finally I went and looked at it. It looks super-fun, BUT...
First of all, who wants it? If you're a traditional caster-type, you don't want to be teleporting TOWARD the bad guys, so that's right out. That mostly seems to leave monks, and various flavors of gish (magus, melee bard, eldritch knight).
Seems like it'd be awesome for those classes, BUT...
Can it be useful in PFS? You cap out at 12th level in PFS, so the sooner you can get this online, the better.
The monk gets Abundant Step at 12th, so that's out. Now we're down to the gishes.
The magus and bard can each get DDoor at 10th, then take Dimensional Agility at 11th. Congrats, you have three scenarios to enjoy the first feat in the chain, then you're done. So nevermind that.
Okay, how about the EK? You'll be casting 4th-level wizard spells at 9th level, and since that's an odd-numbered level, you can immediately take Dimensional Agility. Yay! But what you really want is Dimensional Dervish, which will also require Dimensional Assault. So DAg at 9th, DAs at 11th, and... you're past 12th before taking DD. Dang.
So, I like the idea of a swordsman blinking around the battlefield as part of his magical swordplay, but it doesn't look like there's a way to do it within the level range of PFS scenarios.
Any ideas?
Any ideas?
Wait until "Warden of the Reborn Forge" comes out, get someone to run it for PFS credit, and go crazy.
Huh?Any ideas?Wait until "Warden of the Reborn Forge" comes out, get someone to run it for PFS credit, and go crazy.
I believe what he's going for is that it's supposed to be a 12th level module (IIRC), and should be worth 3 levels of XP in PFS, so you'd be able to utilize the last bit of the feat chain in your last example for 2/3 of the entire module.
That's what I'm reading it as at least.
Yeah, it's a high level module, so you could build someone at 12th level, play in campaign mode, then get PFS credit for it.
Yeah, it's a high level module, so you could build someone at 12th level, play in campaign mode, then get PFS credit for it.
Or that too... I was close ;)
6 levels of anything, take 3 levels of Horizon Walker prestige class (If that is available in PFS) taking Astral terrain dominance then level through in fighter for the bonus feats and I think you can have all of them at 12th. So one level of play.
Ahhh, good catch karosii
Unless PFS decides to give out Samsaran boons, I don't think there's any way to get Dervish before 13th other than a straight wizard.
A synthesist can get the feat chain finished by 12. But are disallowed in PFS I believe :\
Biped Synthesist can say magical swordsman very well. It can say other things too of course, but swordsman is definitely one of them.
Straight Cleric (although I imagine you'd need to go Theologian so you can have more than 1 Dimension Door / day) would make more sense to take the chain than Wizard would.
E.K Half-elf:
lv 9 - Dimensional Agility
lv 10 - dimensional Assault (EK bonus feat)
lv 10 - Dimensional dervish (Paragon surge Spell)
or
lv 11 - Dimensional dervish
No good. The Dimensional chain feats aren't Combat Feats; you can't use your EK bonus to get one.
oh, i didn´t see that..
wizard E.K Half-elf:
lv 7 - Dimensional Agility
lv 9 - Dimensional assault
lv 10 - Dimensional dervish (Paragon surge Spell) - when you reach BaB +6
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With the most recent guide to PFS play this is possible. If you have legal copy of Ultimate Campaign you can retrain any feats that are not being used as prerequisites for something else. As soon as you gain the ability to cast dimension door (magus, bard, or eldritch knight are the most likely paths) you can retrain your existing feats into the Dimensional Dervish chain. Just spend the money and Prestige and you're good to go.
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Straight Cleric (although I imagine you'd need to go Theologian so you can have more than 1 Dimension Door / day) would make more sense to take the chain than Wizard would.
Forgot about that, and Theologian loses the Diety Favoured Weapon, so if you were looking for Magic Swordsman, you can't because you lose Cayden's Rapier.
I guess you could do your trick twice a day with a pearl of power?
If you want to go really funky...
Wizard 7, then go three levels of Rogue, then use UC to retrain 4 levels of wizard into Arcane Trickster. Then by L12 you are: Wiz3/Rog3/AT6
So, with haste, and your epic +6 BAB you can give yourself 3 attacks with flank from yourself for +6d6 dice each?
Personally I call shenanigans, but I think it is legal, and at the small cost of 2800 gp (10 x Level (10) x Days (7 per level changed) x 4 levels changed)
Eldritch Knight is the simplest and best bet. Even easier if you can use the early entry via racial spell-like ability thing...
There is also Horizon Walker. It would let you get Dim Door 3 + wis times per day right at 9th character level, in time for a feat slot. Unfortunately, since I currently know of no way at all to gain a bonus general feat, you'd fall one level short of being able to take Dim Dervish, the 3rd feat in the chain, and the one most people seek out. Well, I suppose a Half-Elf Oracle or Sorcerer build that branches off into Horizon Walker for 3 levels could use Paragon Surge at [Sorc or Oracle 8] / Horizon Walker 3 (ie, 11th character level) to pick up Dim Dervish temporarily. Man, that'd be a terrible build, though...
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So, every now and then I hear people mention this feat chain, and finally I went and looked at it. It looks super-fun, BUT...
First of all, who wants it? If you're a traditional caster-type, you don't want to be teleporting TOWARD the bad guys, so that's right out. That mostly seems to leave monks, and various flavors of gish (magus, melee bard, eldritch knight).
Seems like it'd be awesome for those classes, BUT...
Can it be useful in PFS? You cap out at 12th level in PFS, so the sooner you can get this online, the better.
The monk gets Abundant Step at 12th, so that's out. Now we're down to the gishes.
The magus and bard can each get DDoor at 10th, then take Dimensional Agility at 11th. Congrats, you have three scenarios to enjoy the first feat in the chain, then you're done. So nevermind that.
Okay, how about the EK? You'll be casting 4th-level wizard spells at 9th level, and since that's an odd-numbered level, you can immediately take Dimensional Agility. Yay! But what you really want is Dimensional Dervish, which will also require Dimensional Assault. So DAg at 9th, DAs at 11th, and... you're past 12th before taking DD. Dang.
So, I like the idea of a swordsman blinking around the battlefield as part of his magical swordplay, but it doesn't look like there's a way to do it within the level range of PFS scenarios.
Any ideas?
Monk. That's about it. It's pretty perfect for them, especially with the extensive speed bonus they get overall. It's hella useful, since you can do a full attack/flurry over nearly any distance, avoid AoO, put your speed to use since it doubles it, and it can apply combat advantage along with the upgraded teamwork version of it(flanking +4) etc. If you want to go all dragon ball z, it certainly gives that flavor. I just hate how it takes 3-4 feats to actually make it worth-while. Not only that but it takes a while to acquire the important parts of it. :T
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Access to Dimension Door can be gotten at 7th level for Wizards (4th level spell) Travel Domain Clerics (4th level spell) and Summoners (3rd level spell).
Taking a full 7 of any of these will allow you to Dimensional Agility at 7th.
Follow that up with Dimensional Assault at 9th.
The only remaining requirement then for Dimensional Dervish at 11th is BaB +6. The Cleric and Summoner will meet this without a problem but the Wizard will need to multiclass.
Then You'll have all of level 11 with Dimensional Dervish.
Keep in mind you can go slow progression for 6 scenarios.
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Any chance that the Shift power from a Conjuration (teleportation) subschool counts for D-Door? Perhaps not for the feat prerequisite but maybe for using the feat? The key wording is "as if using Dimension Door." I often see it adjudicated that you carry the penalty of D-Door (namely ending your turn after use); it would be nice if it carried a benefit.
