Taenia
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I had an opportunity to talk to SKR regarding a question I had and he suggested I put it up here to FAQ so I am doing so. Although it has been asked before on these boards no official response has been given and I tend to agree with the majority of the posters the devs and gms I talked to don't. So I will try to get them FAQ'd here.
1. Is a druid/monk wearing armor prior to wild shape considering to be "wearing" armor for the purpose of using his monk AC/Flurry/Fast Movement abilities? Does this change if the armor is enchanted with Wild?
Polymorph says "all of your gear melds into your body" but this isn't clear what effects it has. Also situations arise when a druid in armor wild shapes and puts on armor in his wild shape form (Dire Tiger barding for example). Is the druid wearing two sets of armor or one? Now every person I have talked says armor/gear while wild shaped doesn't have weight/encumbrance/ACP/etc.. but don't know whether it is still considered worn.
2. Can druid/monks in wild shape use all their style feats and are they considered to have a free hand if they don't have a hand? I can imagine a Dire Tiger having a free hand but what about the wing of a bat or the pseudopod of an ooze?
3. If a druid/monk is considered wearing armor and has evasion and is wild shaped does the restriction of only light armor still apply? What if it is wild armor?
4. Elemental forms can be defined as being humanoid because there is no defined shape for an elemental and most are represented as being at least partially humanoid. Can you assume the form of say an earth elemental that is humanoid and then put on armor? Does this work with other elementals since they are all corporeal? What abilities don't work when this occurs?
5. What senses are retained and which are lost with Wild Shape? One problem arises with Cave Druid's and ooze shape as they apparently lose vision since oozes don't have eyes but don't get blindsight because its not a listed ability and while the spell allows for blindsense, oozes don't have the ability. Do you lose all your senses with wild shape gaining the ones allowed by form or do you always have the basic senses and its just extraordinary ones that are lost or gained?
| prototype00 |
Hmm Lets see:
1. Since you derive no benefit from it and it is merged with your body (read: Not actually present physically), I have no qualms deeming it gone. With the Wild Enhancement, I am satisfied to say that I do not know.
2. RAW, none of the style feats require bodyparts except for the ones that require a hand free. So they can be practiced by any-creature (I wouldn't want to ban an awakened Dog or bear from practicing styles, why would I ban a probably more intelligent Druid from doing them).
Those that do require a hand free, require a hand free (so oozes and bats are out of luck. I might make an exception for cranes practicing crane style, but that is just a personal preference and not rooted in RAW)
3. Monk evasion is armourless only, so no dice if they are considered at any stage to have light armour. As previously stated, I do not know where Wild enchantment changes things.
4. I defer this question to those with more authority than me on elemental shapes.
5. It is not stated anywhere in the RAW that Oozes don't have eyes (see Shoggoths) but if a DM wants to cleave as closely to the RAW as follows, he will allow that being Blind is an ooze trait, and one that is clearly lost when the Cave Druid shapeshifts into an ooze. At which point, they are not blind (and in fact are vulnerable to gaze attacks) which means they have some manner of sight organ or capacity, if not eyes themselves. (Think about how water elementals see, a Cave Druid shapeshifted into an ooze probably sees the same way)
As to what senses they retain, the basic ones I'm afraid. Sight (not dark or low light vision) unless the shaping allows for blindsense or blindsight and the form has it.
prototype00
| Stikye |
1. Wild armor is a +3 enchantment because you gain the benefit of wearing armor, without actually wearing it. You are considered unarmored for various purposes.
2. I can't say anything RAW here,
3. See 1. Wild armor is beastly.
4. Elementals are elementals. They aren't humanoid, you would have to buy custom armor for them. or convince your GM to make some sort of Adaptive armor enchantment to have it change shape with you. There is no defined shape for an elemental.
5. You gain the senses of the things you turn into, assuming they have said senses, based on your level of Wild shape. unless there is an errata I've missed for Cave druids, ooze-form would leave you blind, depending on the ooze you've chosen. There are positives and negatives to being blind.
Fomsie
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Where does it say that the "Wild" enchantment makes you considered unarmored?
Aura moderate transmutation; CL 9th; Weight —; Price +3 Bonus
DESCRIPTION
Armor with this special ability usually appears to be made from magically hardened animal pelt. The wearer of a suit of armor or a shield with this ability preserves his armor bonus (and any enhancement bonus) while in a wild shape. Armor and shields with this ability usually appear to be covered in leaf patterns. While the wearer is in a wild shape, the armor cannot be seen.
Far as I can tell it just allows a wild shaped druid to continue to benefit from wearing armor while transformed, but nothing about it not being there, only not being visible because it is incorporated.
| hoshi |
Where does it say that the "Wild" enchantment makes you considered unarmored?
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Far as I can tell it just allows a wild shaped druid to continue to benefit from wearing armor while transformed, but nothing about it not being there, only not being visible because it is incorporated.
Its not a feature of the wild enhancement, but the rules of transmutation state:
"When you cast a polymorph spell that changes you into a creature of the animal, dragon, elemental, magical beast, plant, or vermin type, all of your gear melds into your body"
So armor does not exist
Kazumetsa Raijin
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I had an opportunity to talk to SKR regarding a question I had and he suggested I put it up here to FAQ so I am doing so. Although it has been asked before on these boards no official response has been given and I tend to agree with the majority of the posters the devs and gms I talked to don't. So I will try to get them FAQ'd here.
1. Is a druid/monk wearing armor prior to wild shape considering to be "wearing" armor for the purpose of using his monk AC/Flurry/Fast Movement abilities? Does this change if the armor is enchanted with Wild?
Polymorph says "all of your gear melds into your body" but this isn't clear what effects it has. Also situations arise when a druid in armor wild shapes and puts on armor in his wild shape form (Dire Tiger barding for example). Is the druid wearing two sets of armor or one? Now every person I have talked says armor/gear while wild shaped doesn't have weight/encumbrance/ACP/etc.. but don't know whether it is still considered worn.
2. Can druid/monks in wild shape use all their style feats and are they considered to have a free hand if they don't have a hand? I can imagine a Dire Tiger having a free hand but what about the wing of a bat or the pseudopod of an ooze?
3. If a druid/monk is considered wearing armor and has evasion and is wild shaped does the restriction of only light armor still apply? What if it is wild armor?
4. Elemental forms can be defined as being humanoid because there is no defined shape for an elemental and most are represented as being at least partially humanoid. Can you assume the form of say an earth elemental that is humanoid and then put on armor? Does this work with other elementals since they are all corporeal? What abilities don't work when this occurs?
5. What senses are retained and which are lost with Wild Shape? One problem arises with Cave Druid's and ooze shape as they apparently lose vision since oozes don't have eyes but don't get blindsight because its not a listed ability and while the spell allows for...
1. It seems like a Yes for your normal form, and a No for your polymorph.
No, you're still wearing armor. The only difference is you keep your armor bonus along with other bonuses from going into Wildshape.2. You have to literally have a Hand that is free for the style feats. Bats have hands on their wings. They're just really tiny and kind of awkward to look at like strong-arm or something. There are many different types of bats, and some of them have HUGE hands. Now for an Ooze, I would have to say no. This one seems like it is more up to your GM in decision though, as this is slightly more Fluff than RAW arguing.
3. If you are polymorphed, there is no encumbering from the armor as it melds into your body. Wild enchant or not, same deal. Wildshape gets pretty special treatment when in Wildshape form. :)
4. You're still humanoid in Beast form too. If the armor is the right size, I believe you can sport it. Although, I have read a few times that it autofits to your size... but that sounds silly. Yes this works with other elementals. I believe it should Meld once put on though, so you may as well wear it to begin with. No, you may not stack two armors :) Every ability should work as normal. Could you provide an example or specific spell/ability that you're referring to?
5. You don't go blind as an Ooze. Does Beast Shape IV or Wildshape list that you go blind? Fluff-wise, sure(in which fluff primarily depends on your GM's decision and your argument). RAW, No. You do gain Blindsense either way though, as it is listed for what you acquire with that level of Wildshape.
Both Beast Shape III and IV give you some degree of Blindsense.
Taenia
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As to question 4, during one session as a GM I had a druid take off his armor, assume the form of an earth elemental that was humanoid(read as shape not type) in shape, matching his own, then put on his armor. Now I could see that maybe it would require different armor than the one he normally wore, like barding, the question was more about could an earth elemental wear armor and still earth glide? An air or water elemental vortex/whirlwind?
Wild armor would get around this but it makes sense to me that you would not be able to use those abilities without dropping any gear/armor you are carrying.
One thing to note about wild armor, the only thing it grants you is the armor bonus, in effect you armor is treated just like armor you wore prior to wild shape, whatever that is, then you get the armor bonus/enchancement.
Kazumetsa Raijin
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As to question 4, during one session as a GM I had a druid take off his armor, assume the form of an earth elemental that was humanoid(read as shape not type) in shape, matching his own, then put on his armor. Now I could see that maybe it would require different armor than the one he normally wore, like barding, the question was more about could an earth elemental wear armor and still earth glide? An air or water elemental vortex/whirlwind?
Wild armor would get around this but it makes sense to me that you would not be able to use those abilities without dropping any gear/armor you are carrying.
One thing to note about wild armor, the only thing it grants you is the armor bonus, in effect you armor is treated just like armor you wore prior to wild shape, whatever that is, then you get the armor bonus/enchancement.
Edit: My head is hazy from the lack of sleep and indulgence in FFXIV.
I'll have to take some time before I answer any other questions XD
| Ignipotens |
FAQ'ed Mainly for Number 5 as I am in the camp of you are blind but you also get blindsense since it is a lesser ability of blindsight.
Main reason I think this, is you gain the form of whatever you change in to. Eyes are part of the form, if it doesn't have any you don't get any.
Being able to see is very similar to being able to speak. Not being able to speak if the form does not allow it is called out in the rule. If you can't speak it is because the form physically does not allow it. If the form physically does not allow you to see, well then you can't see.
Common arguments are elemental's since they don't have eyes. This is not entirely true, the description actually says some are bird-like with glowing eyes. Also nothing lists them as being blind.
Plants are another common argument. Some plants are blind and have no eyes, in which case so are you. Others, like a treant, actually have eyes.
Think of it in reverse. If you had your eyes ripped out in battle you would be blind. If you change in to something that has eyes you would once again be able to see since the new form gave eyes. Similarly, if you had your arm ripped off and changed to a dog, you would have all four legs since that is the form you took, you wouldn't be missing a leg.