Damage Spells with no SR

[Jiggy]

What exists? In particular, I'm asking for spells that deal energy damage (well, Pathfinder's idea of "energy" damage, anyway). First one to pop to mind is acid arrow, but there's got to be more than that. What do you know of, and from what sources?

Thanks!

[Imbicatus]

Acid Splash cantrip springs to mind. It's a favorite of Rogues for a ranged sneak attack.

[Fromper]

Acid Splash, Snowball.

Basically, if you're shooting energy at something, then it's magical energy, and SR blocks it. If you're creating something, and whatever you create hits the enemy, then it's not magical energy hitting the enemy, so SR doesn't apply. So look for acid and ice spells, since they're more about conjuring something that hits the enemy, rather than blasting directly with magical energy (fire, electricity, etc).

[Jiggy]

There's actually an acid spell ("acidic spray" maybe?) in UM that does apply SR, which puzzled me. And unless I missed something, most cold-damage spells also apply SR.

I've heard of snowball but don't have People of the North.

I would have figured there'd be some basic "fling acid everywhere" core spell in the 3rd-4th level range (alongside fireball, lightning bolt, and cone of cold), but didn't see one.

Surely there's got to be some options?

[Reecy]

I think Acid is just so Nasty that they left it out... And you can Meta Magic any one of those to Acid...

But Acid Spells have rules they destroy things and bypass Hardness doing Direct HP damage to items... You could effective make a group Naked in one Spell!

[Bigdaddyjug]

Acid Pit is the 4th level "earth" elemental spell, apparently. At 6th level you get Acid Fog. Neither of them is subject to SR.

[Zog of Deadwood]

I've never bothered to look up the whole list, but here are a few I know about:

Arcane no-SR spells:
Acid Splash (0)
Snowball (1) [Pathfinder Player Companion: People of the North]
Acid Arrow (2)
Flurry of Snowballs (2) [Ditto]
Flame Arrow (3)
Ice Spears (3) [Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Magic]
Acid Pit (4) [APG]
Firefall (4) [APG]
Acid Fog (6)

Divine no-SR spells:
Fire of Vengeance (4) Paladin [APG]
Fire Seeds (6) Druid, Sun Domain

[Fromper]

Cold is usually affected by SR, but ice usually isn't. Again, it's a matter of whether you're hitting them with magical energy, or conjuring a physical object which then hits them. It actually makes sense once you realize how they decide which spells should go each way, though it wouldn't surprise me if one of them somewhere was wrong.

[Jiggy]

Heh... Hehehehe...

I'm asking because I'm thinking of doing an Elemental Bloodline sorcerer, converting everything to electricity damage.

The mental image of a lightning version of acid arrow is hilarious, zapping them every few seconds...

Lightning Spears!
Lightning Pit!
Lightningfall!
Lightning Fog!

Bwahahahahaaa!

Especially Lightningfall: forcibly extracting lightning from a fire elemental? "Never knew I had it in me..."

Ha!

Okay, thanks for the "no SR" ideas. Any other ideas (SR or no) that would be hilarious when converted to lightning?

[Bigdaddyjug]

Ball lightning (flame sphere) would be funny. Heck, I even gave you a cool name for it there.

[KingmanHighborn]

Bard has a nice one called Deafening Song Bolt.

[Kazaan]

It's not energy damage, but Chord of Shards deals piercing physical damage and, naturally, isn't subject to SR.

[Jiggy]

Now THAT is a spell I wish I could convert to electrical damage.

[Imbicatus]

Burning hands to Lightning Fan sounds cool. Meteor Swarm would be awesome.

[Joe M.]

Bigdaddyjug wrote:

Ball lightning (flame sphere) would be funny. Heck, I even gave you a cool name for it there.

See: APG

[Bigdaddyjug]

Joe M. wrote:

Bigdaddyjug wrote:

Ball lightning (flame sphere) would be funny. Heck, I even gave you a cool name for it there.

See: APG

Gah! I didn't even know about that spell!

[Joe M.]

Bigdaddyjug wrote:

Joe M. wrote:

Bigdaddyjug wrote:

Ball lightning (flame sphere) would be funny. Heck, I even gave you a cool name for it there.

See: APG

Gah! I didn't even know about that spell!

:-)

Well, I've been working with it lately, so it was on the mind.

[Isil-zha]

The energy type has nothing to do with whether or not SR applies.

Conjuration(creation) spells don't usually allow SR because the magic is only used to create the energy effect, after which the acid (or whatever) becomes a 'mundane' object that is hurled at the victim.

Most 'flashy' AOE spells on the other hand are evocation and SR applies.

So you want to keep your eyes open for damaging conjuration spells

[Bigdaddyjug]

Joe M. wrote:

Bigdaddyjug wrote:

Joe M. wrote:

Bigdaddyjug wrote:

Ball lightning (flame sphere) would be funny. Heck, I even gave you a cool name for it there.

See: APG

Gah! I didn't even know about that spell!

:-)

Well, I've been working with it lately, so it was on the mind.

Pfft, wish you had chimed in on my thread about an arcane caster for PFS play. I still don't know exactly what I want to do with it.

[Jiggy]

Link? I might have a look (though I'm not terribly experienced with pure casters).

[Bigdaddyjug]

Here it is.

I just don't have a clue what I want to do. I want a pure arcane caster. I have a character for just about every other role in PFS except that role. With the thread where it's at now I'm just looking at being a master blaster.

[Finlanderboy]

it is conjuroring I believe that bypasses SR and some transmutation.

You create an object and hurl it at them. The magic is creating the object or changing the object. they are not being hurt by magic, but an object created by it. Thats why it bypasses SR.

Create pit and aqeous orb too.

I do not think you will find a conjuration spell that allows SR. Transmutation when you transmute the target does, but not the stuff around'em

[IejirIsk]

yea... evocation has few no SR spells.

[Eziekiel]

Caustic Eruption (UM),
Damnation Strike (ARG),
Deafing Song Bolt (APG),
Elemental Touch (APG),
Geyser (APG),
Incendiary Cloud (Core),
Obsidian Flow (UC),
Tar Pool (UC),
Wall of Lava (APG)

[thenovalord]

elemental touch would be nice if each round you could vary the energy type!!

[Jiggy]

Finlanderboy wrote:

I do not think you will find a conjuration spell that allows SR. Transmutation when you transmute the target does, but not the stuff around'em

Acidic spray