John Smith, and his totally awesome Horse.


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Okay, I am really liking both the Scion of Humanity Aasimar(Azata-Blooded), and the Nature Oracle for this.

For traits, I am considering the Militia Veteran, and the Mount trait to gain a Dort Charger Horse. I also like the Totem Guide companion archetype.

For the first level feat, I am considering Huntmaster or Celestial Servant.

What do you think?

Should I multiclass later?


I still think you should do the aid another halfling who uses the aid another action on his mount.


Well, after putting out my build (Nature Oracle is the best choice IMO) I have decided that I am going to steal your concept for PFS. I have been kicking around the idea of the Nature Oracle with an awesome mount but my initial build included Mammoth Rider and I couldn't see how a huge mount would work well in PFS. In addition, it makes the mount way to strong and it becomes a show stealer. However, I absolutely love the idea of optimizing a plain old horse. It's right up my alley for character concepts in that it takes something that most people avoid or find non-optimized and makes it awesome.


Why so complicated?

Play a heavy horse, ask your DM for int 3 and some templates to make up for your lacl of player abillities, and add racial HD as you level.

Let your DM worry about your rider, as well as any awakenng etc.

It is really the only way to play what you describe ;-)


You are playing in Council of Thieves? Yeah, concept isn't going to work very well at all. Much of the combat is in urban environments, this includes sewers, rooftops, mansions, hovels, and crowed theaters.

Concept would work best in Kingmaker.

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I am willing to struggle through with urban adventures. The Narrow Frame feat will ride my Horse of squeezing penalties.

Besides, I intend for him to be of royal breeding.

Also, the Awakened Horse thing is really a no go.

Due to some horrible experiences in the past, no one can play an awakened animal.


Halfling riding a royal Shetland pony of doom and destruction!

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Why Halfling?


Halflings get to ride medium mounts.

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notabot wrote:
Halflings get to ride medium mounts.

So do small Aasimar.

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Tandriniel wrote:

Play a heavy horse, ask your DM for int 3 and some templates to make up for your lacl of player abillities, and add racial HD as you level.

Let your DM worry about your rider, as well as any awakenng etc.

^^^This. "ME AM HORSE BARBARIAN... er... NEIGH!!"

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If I decrease the size, then you have an awesome Pony, not an awesome Horse.

Not quite the same thing.

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darkorbit wrote:
Sry to crash the thread, but how many feats should a lv1 barb, lv3 magus, and a lv1 dragonrider have?

You seriously need to learn how to start your own threads.

Also, you are asking about 3rd party stuff. Wrong Forum.


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i need help, and no one responds to my questions


darkorbit wrote:
i need help, and no one responds to my questions

As blackbloodtroll stated, start your own thread. Making the same post in numerous threads is considered to be spamming and rude.


I've started a new thread to answer darkorbit's question here

Scarab Sages

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Wouldn't you rather have an AMAZING HORSEinstead of an awesome horse?

They taste just like raisins.

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I see.


What does your horse do when it comes to a ladder in a dungeon or needs to climb down a rope? He'll be as useless as the Daleks, supreme masters of the universe.


Thank you bomanz I was waiting for someone to post that haha

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c873788 wrote:

What does your horse do when it comes to a ladder in a dungeon or needs to climb down a rope? He'll be as useless as the Daleks, supreme masters of the universe.

Ranks in climb, then Spider Climb.


Here is a good Horse Race you might look into convincing your GM to let you use.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
c873788 wrote:

What does your horse do when it comes to a ladder in a dungeon or needs to climb down a rope? He'll be as useless as the Daleks, supreme masters of the universe.

Ranks in climb, then Spider Climb.

I'm having a terrible time trying to visualise this, but if you can achieve it by RAW then more kudos to you.


This is why you go halfling

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2phw5?The-Aid-Another-Buffing-Halfling#1

Aid your horse!


c873788 wrote:

What does your horse do when it comes to a ladder in a dungeon or needs to climb down a rope? He'll be as useless as the Daleks, supreme masters of the universe.

The same way the Daleks do it....Air Walk up that sucker. Best Choice? Horseshoes of Mist. 10 min (spent in 1 min intervals) of gaseous form for both you and the horse per day. Not only can you handle ladders but also giant cliffs, locked doors, smaller than medium passages, and imminent doom.

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That too, is not going to work.

I really cannot have a homebrew, 3rd party, or awakened animal PC.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

I am willing to struggle through with urban adventures. The Narrow Frame feat will ride my Horse of squeezing penalties.

Besides, I intend for him to be of royal breeding.

Also, the Awakened Horse thing is really a no go.

Due to some horrible experiences in the past, no one can play an awakened animal.

Well now I have to buy that darn book.

Oh...as far as the horse talking goes: You can talk to it as a Nature Oracle but if you want to have the rest of your party understand your Amazing/Awesome Horse you can buy a waist slot and then give it a Belt of Dwarvenkind. Now you have a Dwarven Awesome Horse who gets free perception checks to spot stone secret doors.

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I had actually consider the Belt of Dwarvenkind, but then I discovered this:

Circlet of Speaking:

Circlet of Speaking
Source: Animal Archive pg. 26
Aura: faint divination; CL 4th
Slot: headband; Price 4,800 gp; Weight 1 lb.
Description:
This thin, silver circlet allows an animal wearing it to speak, even if it is not normally capable of doing so because of its low Intelligence score or lack of known languages. The creator of the item decides what language the circlet’s wearer can speak when she crafts the item (typically Common); once crafting is complete, this cannot be changed. A circlet of speaking does not grant an animal a bonus to Intelligence, and the wearer’s general behavior remains largely the same while it wears a circlet of speaking, though it can communicate its desires and rudimentary knowledge as though being spoken to via speak with animals.
Construction:
Requirements: Craft Wondrous Item, speak with animals; Cost 2,400gp

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What about a baleful polymorphed fighter who USED to be human, but is now horse?

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Alcomus wrote:
What about a baleful polymorphed fighter who USED to be human, but is now horse?

That is actually worse.

We had a Baleful Polymorphed player(Cat).

He is no longer allowed in any game, or at anyone's home, or at anyone's work.

Bad memories.


That might be a story I would like to here


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Alcomus wrote:
What about a baleful polymorphed fighter who USED to be human, but is now horse?

That is actually worse.

We had a Baleful Polymorphed player(Cat).

He is no longer allowed in any game, or at anyone's home, or at anyone's work.

Bad memories.

My imagination is letting me down today. Honestly, I can't think of anything a player could do to get banned if all he was roleplaying was a cat??

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Are you going to frequently start singing "Look at my horse, my horse is amazing!"

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c873788 wrote:


My imagination is letting me down today. Honestly, I can't think of anything a player could do to get banned if all he was roleplaying was a cat??

Imagine the worst person you ever gamed with. Increase the horror by 10.

Now, imagine the person getting worse, in behavior, and hygiene, over time.

One of the last times any of us was around him, I was drunk, tried to throw him off a cliff, and everyone's response was "well, you didn't succeed, and if you did, we would have understood, so it's cool".

Now, the only time he comes up in conversation, is when someone asks "dude, I cannot believe you never beat the crap out of that guy".

This always catches me off guard, as not only am I not a violent guy, but often the go to mediator of conflicts.

So, bad memories.

No awakened animal PCs.


Wait In-Game or Real Life?


I know I'm a bit late, but may I suggest a summoner? And no, before you dog pile, I did read the first part of the thread.

Play a Unicorn or Pegasus. The eidelon is this little boring humanoid guy that looks kind of like a cross between a goblin and a human. He grooms you, feeds you, does all the boring stuff. If you go this route, I'd go with the summoner concept, IE: use the heck out of the SLA. Dismiss him when it comes to combat (you're useless Max, go hide) and then bust out the SLA summons. Keep him in the background, and put most of his evolution points into skills and mental stat boosts, make him the book keeper, the diplomat, the sales clerk for your awesome kick butt unicorn or pegasus. :)

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Azaelas Fayth wrote:
Wait In-Game or Real Life?

No, I really did try to throw him off a cliff. I don't remember it, but there are pictures.


I really want to hang out with you now... Though I am a big freak so... Meh...

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Seattle bro.

Moving on.

Unicorn or Pegasus is a no go, both in concept, and in what's allowed.

It's all about the Horse. Not an Eidolon.

I guess you could see it as a Son of Shadowfax build.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Seattle bro.

Moving on.

Unicorn or Pegasus is a no go, both in concept, and in what's allowed.

It's all about the Horse. Not an Eidolon.

I guess you could see it as a Son of Shadowfax build.

Alan Dean Foster had this series of short stories about this wizard in the old west. He had this mean old piebald horse that he had to take a rasp to every few months when the horn would start to grow back in. :)


I'd say human druid, taking eye for talent to increase the mounts int to 4.

The druid himself would be an advisor type of background character (he could buff, heal, etc. but wouldn't be a central figure) the horse would be more proactive.

Later, when the druid has enough levels to cast awaken, he could awaken the horse and you'd take over the horse as a full pc, leting the druid fade into the background as a less and less important npc.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Problem with the Eidolon, is that it goes away.

Basically, it's gotta be something that is there 24/7.

Now, the rider/master doesn't need to be boring, but he simply not the focus.

Heh - what about a little switch, making the rider go away instead?


Has the Beast Bonded Witch been suggested yet? The Familiar could take over a Human body, while the Witch becomes the horse.

Cackle will have to be refluffed to Neigh though.

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VRMH wrote:

Has the Beast Bonded Witch been suggested yet? The Familiar could take over a Human body, while the Witch becomes the horse.

Cackle will have to be refluffed to Neigh though.

I don't see where the 24/7 Horse comes into play.

Are there Horse familiars?


Alexander Augunas wrote:

Aasimar isn't really "simple, boring guy." I'd take human and the Eye for Talent racial trait, which will let you give your animal companion a +2 bonus to one of its ability scores. Your classes that you can actually use animal companions will limit you, but of them Druid might be the best for all of the buffs you could theoretically give your horse.

Although, playing a sorcerer with the sylvan bloodline (meaning you get an animal companion) could be hilarious. If you want to awaken the animal, druid would be better though. Maybe Mystic Theurge between the two? Ultimately up to you.

*Goes off to check if you can cast anthropomorphic animal on a horse.

Eye for Talent is good, but if you went with a cavalier as an Aasimar & took the Celestial Servant feat, then you'ld have a celestial mount.


Damocles Guile wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Problem with the Eidolon, is that it goes away.

Basically, it's gotta be something that is there 24/7.

Now, the rider/master doesn't need to be boring, but he simply not the focus.

Heh - what about a little switch, making the rider go away instead?

An "Awakened" animal can't serve as animal companion and thus would loose all the benefits it possessed as the more significant creature.

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I don't know. The Aasimar Nature Oracle is looking pretty good right now.

With the starting 6 intelligence, ability to have both the Huntmaster and Celestial Servant feat, and favored class bonus pumping the Horse, it seems pretty good.

I am not sure about any multiclassing would help, but if there is something I am missing, let me know.


I don't think a Aasimar can take the Huntmaster Feat... Doesn't it require Human?

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Azaelas Fayth wrote:
I don't think a Aasimar can take the Huntmaster Feat... Doesn't it require Human?

Scion of Humanity Aasimar count as Human.

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