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Andrew, I didn't post that JScalzi link as an accusation or indictment against you, or straight white guys in general. I did it to hopefully illuminate that not all of us are born into a sex, gender, orientation, family, resources, etc. with the best hand of cards. If Player A is dealt two pair and Player B is dealt a less advantageous (or completely crappy) hand, it makes no sense for Player B to be angry at A for simple luck of the draw. All any player can do is try to make the best with the cards they are dealt in the time alloted.
But if Player A starts with the better hand, and then blames Player B as a crappy player for his less-than-advantageous hand, that's wrong. If Player B fails to make the best moves because he doesn't know what comes next in the draw from the deck, deriding him is still a dick move. Mocking him because he's better at playing baccarat or roulette instead of poker is also a dick move.
Andrew, I imagine you are not the kind of person who belittles or hates someone for being poor and malnourished in isolated rural Africa and parts of Asia (or right here in the U.S. and Western world). I imagine you are not the kind of person who belittles or hates someone who was born to an abusive parent or had a parent leave/die. I imagine you don't belittle or hate those who cannot access education or preventative medical care through no fault of their own. You wouldn't either for their ethnicity, or choice of belief in deity(s). You wouldn't for someone born dyslexic or autistic or deaf, nor for someone who through no fault suffered a spinal injury or cancer or Alzheimers.
I'm certain you are intelligent enough to understand that the advantages you were born with (and they weren't) have meant that you started the game with a more advantageous hand. That doesn't mean you haven't suffered, or still suffer, hardships and setbacks, or that you didn't bust your ass to get where you are. That doesn't mean you shouldn't take pride in your accomplishments or developing your natural gifts. But you shouldn't ignore how much harder your life would be, how much harder you'd have to work to achieve what you have now (and will achieve) without those starting advantages... and yes, that includes being white, male, and hetero in Western society. And you certainly shouldn't belittle, attempt to undermine, or hate those who start without those advantages, anymore than the child of Bill & Melinda Gates or the Rockefellers should belittle, attempt to undermine, or hate you for lacking the advantages they were born with.
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Andrew, I didn't post that JScalzi link as an accusation or indictment against you, or straight white guys in general. I did it to hopefully illuminate that not all of us are born into a sex, gender, orientation, family, resources, etc. with the best hand of cards. If Player A is dealt two pair and Player B is dealt a less advantageous (or completely crappy) hand, it makes no sense for Player B to be angry at A for simple luck of the draw. All any player can do is try to make the best with the cards they are dealt in the time alloted.
But if Player A starts with the better hand, and then blames Player B as a crappy player for his less-than-advantageous hand, that's wrong. If Player B fails to make the best moves because he doesn't know what comes next in the draw from the deck, deriding him is still a dick move. Mocking him because he's better at playing baccarat or roulette instead of poker is also a dick move.
Andrew, I imagine you are not the kind of person who belittles or hates someone for being poor and malnourished in isolated rural Africa and parts of Asia (or right here in the U.S. and Western world). I imagine you are not the kind of person who belittles or hates someone who was born to an abusive parent or had a parent leave/die. I imagine you don't belittle or hate those who cannot access education or preventative medical care through no fault of their own. You wouldn't either for their ethnicity, or choice of belief in deity(s). You wouldn't for someone born dyslexic or autistic or deaf, nor for someone who through no fault suffered a spinal injury or cancer or Alzheimers.
I'm certain you are intelligent enough to understand that the advantages you were born with (and they weren't) have meant that you started the game with a more advantageous hand. That doesn't mean you haven't suffered, or still suffer, hardships and setbacks, or that you didn't bust your ass to get where you are. That doesn't mean you shouldn't take pride in your accomplishments or developing your natural gifts....
You might not want to assume what hand we are dealt. I'm tired of people telling me i was dealt aces when that is most certainly not the case. Most of us have had hard lives, im just sick to death of being told that just white male makes me some lucky yuppy that never had to struggle. And you are right, i do not begrudge someone for the cards they are dealt but how they deal with the wins and loses.
Am I the only person who has no idea what AS is ranting about?
I feel dirty doing it, but I have to provisionally defend Andrew R. What we should ALL want is proportional representation in fiction. Which, by all reasonable estimates, means about somewhere between 4% and 8% of fictional characters should be LGBT.
To have less than that is to have an unfair depiction of LGBT people as simply not there, and to have much more is to border on wackadoo propaganda.
I don't know. I think more than 1 in 25 of my friends are LGBT.
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I'm certain you are intelligent enough to understand that the advantages you were born with (and they weren't) have meant that you started the game with a more advantageous hand
I know this wasn't directed at me, but:
Almost 20 years back, I applied for welfare (as I really needed the assistance)...
I was told flat out that while I was free to apply, there was almost no chance of me receiving benefits as I was 1) male 2) white and 3) had no children...
I was eligible for “Food Stamps” however... About $150 a month...
Obviously I survived, but I've had to struggle hard to get to where I am now.
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Am I the only person who has no idea what AS is ranting about?
I feel dirty doing it, but I have to provisionally defend Andrew R. What we should ALL want is proportional representation in fiction. Which, by all reasonable estimates, means about somewhere between 4% and 8% of fictional characters should be LGBT.
To have less than that is to have an unfair depiction of LGBT people as simply not there, and to have much more is to border on wackadoo propaganda.
Exactly. I feel that there is a bit of over representation in media where a lot of other things get under represented. I feel like there is a blaxploitation thing going on with gay these days.
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I'm certain you are intelligent enough to understand that the advantages you were born with (and they weren't) have meant that you started the game with a more advantageous handI know this wasn't directed at me, but:
Almost 20 years back, I applied for welfare (as I really needed the assistance)...
I was told flat out that while I was free to apply, I had almost no chance of receiving benefits as I was 1) male 2) white and 3) had no children...
I was eligible for “Food Stamps” however... About $150 a month...
Obviously I survived, but I've had to struggle hard to get to where I am now.
But you are white male, the world was served to you on a platter you never really needed anything....
I don't know. I think more than 1 in 25 of my friends are LGBT.
Just of my FB friends, there are...7 (out of 90) that are LGBT. And Madison is the fifth gayest city in the US so... that jibes with the high estimate of 8%. And several of those people are women who claim to be bi but have never been in a relationship with someone of the same sex, but whatever, they're free to identify how they like.
We're also talking total population, and I'm guessing you live in a city rather than a rural area.
I feel like there is a blaxploitation thing going on with gay these days.
Every time you say this I wonder: what do you think "blaxploitation" means?
Maybe the difficultes in life are not caused by the color of your skin, but the content of your character...
[Hides smile behind his hands]
Hee hee!
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Maybe the difficultes in life are not caused by the color of your skin, but the content of your character...But saying that to anything but a white man will get you called a racist.
I seriously doubt a white woman would call me a racist if I said that to her. But, I also have no idea what being called a racist has to do with anything.
Oh wait, this is another white male hardship thing isn't it. We can't say certain things to certain people or else we're perceived as racist. Damn, it sure is hard being a white male.
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You might not want to assume what hand we are dealt. I'm tired of people telling me i was dealt aces when that is most certainly not the case. Most of us have had hard lives, im just sick to death of being told that just white male makes me some lucky yuppy that never had to struggle. And you are right, i do not begrudge someone for the cards they are dealt but how they deal with the wins and loses.
"Aces" "lucky yuppy" "never had to struggle"... c'mon, I never said any of that. I specifically worked hard to avoid anything like that. But that's still what you heard. You know how damn well how hard you worked for what you have and where you are... I'm just asking you to empathize with those who started with even less, often times much less so, than you. Is it really that hard to imagine?
Unless you're playing "DA" still, in which case: Thanks for trying to stuff straw in my mouth, but I ain't hungry.
Am I the only person who has no idea what AS is ranting about?
Privilege, specifically white and male. You and I have covered much of this same ground before on these very boards, and we both strongly disagreed.
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I honestly don't know how much clearer I can be, and I am at a loss for any online source -- hell, maybe this one will finally get through -- either of you, Andrew or meatrace, will grok (or attempt to) on the subject. I don't mean that as insult; we just seem to be at a "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" moment. You seem unaware or dismissive of inequalities that don't relate directly back to you. But whether you perceive them or not, they are there. I've tried telling you, several male and female Paizo staff and customers have tried telling you. That article by generally respected writer and fairly smart guy John Scalzi tried telling you... and nothing has made a dent.
I feel dirty doing it, but I have to provisionally defend Andrew R. What we should ALL want is proportional representation in fiction. Which, by all reasonable estimates, means about somewhere between 4% and 8% of fictional characters should be LGBT.
To have less than that is to have an unfair depiction of LGBT people as simply not there, and to have much more is to border on wackadoo propaganda.
Frankly Scarlet, that proposal sounds whack-a-doodle. I'm not suggesting Orson Scott Card or Farrell/Goldberg should stop writing about their ideas anymore than I would Paizo.
Inclusion of LGBT people isn't propaganda. Equality for both genders, and those elsewhere on the spectrum, isn't propaganda.
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You might not want to assume what hand we are dealt. I'm tired of people telling me i was dealt aces when that is most certainly not the case. Most of us have had hard lives, im just sick to death of being told that just white male makes me some lucky yuppy that never had to struggle. And you are right, i do not begrudge someone for the cards they are dealt but how they deal with the wins and loses."Aces" "lucky yuppy" "never had to struggle"... c'mon, I never said any of that. I specifically worked hard to avoid anything like that. But that's still what you heard. You know how damn well how hard you worked for what you have and where you are... I'm just asking you to empathize with those who started with even less, often times much less so, than you. Is it really that hard to imagine?
Unless you're playing "DA" still, in which case: Thanks for trying to stuff straw in my mouth, but I ain't hungry.
Am I the only person who has no idea what AS is ranting about?Privilege, specifically white and male. You and I have covered much of this same ground before on these very boards, and we both strongly disagreed.
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I honestly don't know how much clearer I can be, and I am at a loss for any online source -- hell, maybe this one will finally get through -- either of you, Andrew or meatrace, will grok (or attempt to) on the subject. I don't mean that as insult; we just seem to be at a "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" moment. You seem unaware or dismissive of inequalities that don't relate directly back to you. But whether you perceive them or not, they are there. I've tried telling you, several male and female Paizo staff and customers have tried telling you. That article by generally respected writer and fairly smart guy John Scalzi tried telling you... and nothing has made a dent.
I feel dirty doing it, but I have to...
Yes you keep insisting that somehow being white and male give me soooo damn much privilege but all of those assertions mean nothing. What i see is a world that says no matter how lucky you have it if you are not white you deserve MORE, if you are female you deserve MORE. Who has it harder in this world the child of Colin Powell or the son of a white dirt poor immigrant? Which do you think will get more help? But that white kid no matter how much his background might suck, poor, maybe not great english, maybe abused, will be told how lucky he is and how he should be happy to step aside and give the spots in college and jobs to people that deserve them more.
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"Aces" "lucky yuppy" "never had to struggle"... c'mon, I never said any of that. I specifically worked hard to avoid anything like that. But that's still what you heard. You know how damn well how hard you worked for what you have and where you are... I'm just asking you to empathize with those who started with even less, often times much less so, than you. Is it really that hard to imagine?
Ambrosia Slaad may be here to remind you how hard it is for others, but I'm here to remind you that a large number of white males overcome the terrible discrimination that is the bane of their lives. The vast majority of the executives, attorneys, accountants, boards of directors, stockholders, etc., that I encounter on a day to day basis are white males. Somehow, they succeeded in spite of their skin color.
What's your excuse again?
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Oh, and I'm still trying to figure out what more prominent gay characters has to do with Superfly or Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song.
Musical Interlude included.
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Yes you keep insisting that somehow being white and male give me soooo damn much privilege but all of those assertions mean nothing. What i see is a world that says no matter how lucky you have it if you are not white you deserve MORE, if you are female you deserve MORE. Who has it harder in this world the child of Colin Powell or the son of a white dirt poor immigrant? Which do you think will get more help? But that white kid no matter how much his background might suck, poor, maybe not great english, maybe abused, will be told how lucky he is and how he should be happy to step aside and give the spots in college and jobs to people that deserve them more.
If that's what you see in the world, then I imagine it must suck.
Guess what? I'm white (Dutch/French/Polish/German/pinch of Russian) and mostly pass as straight tomboyish fem. My barely working-class parents barely made enough to keep us three kids fed and clothed. I was a unmotivated student in school, and didn't qualify for academic scholarships. I wasn't good enough at sports or music or art, so no help there either. I worked through community college getting (barely) my AA and AS. I busted my hump variously in retail, in construction, in IT, and the post office. But I never once believed that there weren't those less fortunate than I, who started lower down on the ladder because of their skin color or their inability to hide their sexuality.
I'm not saying you didn't have it rough. I'm not saying the system works well for a lot of people; sometimes it certainly only seems to benefit bureaucracy. But none of that excuses the inequalities we face, some of us more than others. I'm not remotely suggesting holding anyone, straight white males or otherwise, down. I'm trying (unsuccessfully it seems) to say we should try to recognize who has it bad, and how we can all work in ways large and small to help pull all of us up. No one left behind, no more men vs women, straights vs everyone else, no sexist straitjacketed roles... for anyone, including guys.
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Yes you keep insisting that somehow being white and male give me soooo damn much privilege but all of those assertions mean nothing. What i see is a world that says no matter how lucky you have it if you are not white you deserve MORE, if you are female you deserve MORE. Who has it harder in this world the child of Colin Powell or the son of a white dirt poor immigrant? Which do you think will get more help? But that white kid no matter how much his background might suck, poor, maybe not great english, maybe abused, will be told how lucky he is and how he should be happy to step aside and give the spots in college and jobs to people that deserve them more.If that's what you see in the world, then I imagine it must suck.
Guess what? I'm white (Dutch/French/Polish/German/pinch of Russian) and mostly pass as straight tomboyish fem. My barely working-class parents barely made enough to keep us three kids fed and clothed. I was a unmotivated student in school, and didn't qualify for academic scholarships. I wasn't good enough at sports or music or art, so no help there either. I worked through community college getting (barely) my AA and AS. I busted my hump variously in retail, in construction, in IT, and the post office. But I never once believed that there weren't those less fortunate than I, who started lower down on the ladder because of their skin color or their inability to hide their sexuality.
I'm not saying you didn't have it rough. I'm not saying the system works well for a lot of people; sometimes it certainly only seems to benefit bureaucracy. But none of that excuses the inequalities we face, some of us more than others. I'm not remotely suggesting holding anyone, straight white males or otherwise, down. I'm trying (unsuccessfully it seems) to say we should try to recognize who has it bad, and how we can all work in ways large and small to help pull all of us up. No one left behind, no more men vs women, straights vs everyone else, no sexist straitjacketed roles......
I agree with what you are saying there but to say group X deserves more because some of them are worse off is not going to fix the problem and that is what everyone seams to want to do. What we need to do is not let any systematic bonus or penalty be put in place and do what we can to improve how we as people see things.
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Believe it or not, I am trying hard to reign in my logorrhea. Failing, I grant you, but still striving nonetheless.
I agree with what you are saying there but to say group X deserves more because some of them are worse off is not going to fix the problem and that is what everyone seams to want to do. What we need to do is not let any systematic bonus or penalty be put in place and do what we can to improve how we as people see things.
Depending solely on people and corporations to be fair, unbiased, and just out of the goodness of their heart doesn't work. I'm not suggesting anything out of Harrison Bergeron. I'm not suggesting you deserve less because you were born white or male or straight or named Andrew. I'm not saying the system doesn't work well for a great many people.
I'm trying to say that if you look at what you started with, no matter how meager or lacking, there are many others without even those advantages. That those without those same advantages usually have to work harder and longer just to reach the same success as you. Those advantages don't automatically make you a bad person, or a "lucky yuppy."
Whether you perceive it effects you or not, sexism is real. Racism is real. Homophobic discrimination is real. People tend to group and associate with people to which they feel a kinship or similarities. Traditionally, hetero white males (especially the well off) have occupied the most positions of political power, and social, economic, and educational mobility. Rich hetero white guys hang around rich hetero white guys, make friendships with them, and tend to exclude Others as equals regardless of qualifications (this includes non-affluent you). Even if you are dirt poor, a white hetero male employer is more likely (even if just subconsciously) to hire/promote you over your equally-qualified female co-worker(s), gay co-worker(s), and non-white male co-worker(s). This does not place any blame on you. Likewise, when you apply for a loan, to a school, run for office, etc, a hetero male white dude with finite resources will tend to pick you over your co-worker examples. Again, this isn't a judgment on you. That's the way the system has been until very very recently. And you very likely benefited from that through simple luck of the draw. That doesn't make you rich or less deserving or a bad person.
The vast majority of people with a different ethnicity or different gender or different orientation or whatever aren't out to punish straight white male Andrew or your straight white male peers (or all white people or all whatever). They would just like to participate and help build a society that treats them (and their peers and children) as respected equals on a level playing field... the same as you would in their shoes. It's just that simple.
Certainly, the current system can be made to work better for more people more efficiently. It will never be perfect; some will fall through the cracks and some will figure out how to exploit it for undeserved gain. But dismantling it isn't the answer, anymore than thinking all people will just magically get along in peace and harmony.
(And nice try, but fail, trying to associate zoophilia with LGBT issues and sexuality/gender.)Whoa. No, that would not be anything I would endorse or promote. Intellectual discussion to categorize and differentiate diversity in sexual behavior does not equate to the things being discussed having anything whatsoever to do with one another.
No, I was referring to Andrew R's post, not yours. Apologies for the confusion.
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Heterosexuals are also privileged in comparison to homosexuals, and cisgendered people are privileged in comparison to people who are not cisgendered. There are many, many things you get to do that you take completely for granted that a homosexual person or a non cisgendered person can not do without risking their lives. Holding hands with your spouse in public, for instance. Or...
Therefore, if you are a white male, you should feel bad, and should walk around apologizing all day every day. Amirite?
I hate the term privilege, because it insinuates that those with the privilege get something special, rather than other people being denied it. When someone gets something extra, the remedy is to take it away, not give that same thing to everyone else. This fundamentally informs the mentality of the radical left.
It's not good enough that we all work to raise those up on the lower rungs of the ladder, the people born of "privilege" need to be torn down.
And, again, as someone who someone else has asserted has a privilege, it's fundamentally not okay for me to point out the ways in which I am, in fact, underprivileged because doing so is akin to denying my privilege which has been likened, on these boards, to a physical attack or rape. Yes, trying to engage in a discussion or debate about whether or how much any group is privileged us wholly unacceptable.
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An anecdote about the radical left and LGBT activists. A friend of mine whom I like and admire, is a staunch trans/non-cisgender activist. She made a post on FB, fuming, about how unfair it was that her trans friends had to suffer the "shame" of not being able to use urinals (due to, ya know, not having a penis) and insisting that we should start a campaign to have urinals removed from public restrooms. Or at least installed in ladies' rooms as well. Why not, she reasoned, just have more stalls like in the ladies' rooms? Are urinals THAT much of a convenience that every male in the world wouldn't give them up for the cause that, tops, 0.05% of the population wouldn't have to feel a little weird sometimes? Isn't that the least the world could do to accommodate them?
For reals. Urinals are a symbol of male privilege and cisgender dominance and should be abolished.
Aaaaaand just about everyone of her friends agreed, because, as I've said, it's unreasonable and monstrous to disagree with any such suggestions. I was threatened with unfriending because I politely disagreed.
She's my friend because otherwise she's a very smart, cool person, and compared to most LGBT activists, pretty moderate and rational.
Side-note/confession: I usually sit down to pee in public restrooms despite having a fully functioning member because I'm tinkle shy. But I don't complain, nor would I be allowed to, because "f&!+ you, white male pig." etc.
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Tried very hard to stay out of this, but...
There are also some...sexual predilections or...circumstances that are far rarer and, often, weirder. I'm sorry, but furries are f*!*in' creepy, and that's what provoked this rabid defense of alternative lifestyles after all.
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You will never be at daily risk of being catcalled or touched intrusively by people who are bigger than you, unattractive and physically threatening to you, and who may get violent if you reject them. You can walk somewhere alone and not have your expectations shaped and your movement curtailed by constant fear of assault.
Never heard what happens at prisons before.
Never heard what happens at prisons before.You will never be at daily risk of being catcalled or touched intrusively by people who are bigger than you, unattractive and physically threatening to you, and who may get violent if you reject them. You can walk somewhere alone and not have your expectations shaped and your movement curtailed by constant fear of assault.
And how many of us live our daily lives in prison again?
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Therefore, if you are a white male, you should feel bad, and should walk around apologizing all day every day. Amirite?
No. You straight white males are the only ones repeating that line. So f&@&ing enough already. Sexism straight-jackets you guys too; no one here is denying that either. Don't you want the freedom to express yourself as your true self, without constant unrealistic expectations/comments/pressure about your physical fitness, your masculinity/virility, your ability to provide, your emotional strength/stability...? Don't you want the freedom, whether you exercise it or not, to be passive or sensitive or dress beautifully or anything non-stereotypical-male
I hate the term privilege, because it insinuates that those with the privilege get something special, rather than other people being denied it.
I'm sorry, but tough s*$@. On top of all your other advantages, you don't get to pick the language choice too. You do get something special that others don't. Privilege doesn't automatically make you a bad person.
When someone gets something extra, the remedy is to take it away, not give that same thing to everyone else. This fundamentally informs the mentality of the radical left.
I need to meet this radical Left so many keep complaining about; they sound like a&#*%+~s to me too. Or maybe, you are again invoking bingo card bogeymen (like your "radical feminists" crack earlier).
It's not good enough that we all work to raise those up on the lower rungs of the ladder, the people born of "privilege" need to be torn down.
No one says this except as as an ACME DIY strawman. All the sane LGBT people, non-whites, women want is just a level playing field... the same possibilities for opportunities to excel (and possibly fail too) that you have, the same equality, respect, and dignity that you take for granted. Anyone who tells you differently is trying to sell you something.
And, again, as someone who someone else has asserted has a privilege, it's fundamentally not okay for me to point out the ways in which I am, in fact, underprivileged because doing so is akin to denying my privilege which has been likened, on these boards, to a physical attack or rape. Yes, trying to engage in a discussion or debate about whether or how much any group is privileged us wholly unacceptable.
Utter-f!+%ing straw horsehit from a well-beaten strawhorse. It's your claim, so prove it; search it, find it, cite it/link it. Or drop it.
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And how many of us live our daily lives in prison again?Never heard what happens at prisons before.You will never be at daily risk of being catcalled or touched intrusively by people who are bigger than you, unattractive and physically threatening to you, and who may get violent if you reject them. You can walk somewhere alone and not have your expectations shaped and your movement curtailed by constant fear of assault.
Sexual assault/rape jokes, prison or otherwise, suck. I don't care what you are in prison for -- not Charlie Manson, not the worst pedophile, not the worst rapist and murderer -- no one deserves to be sexually assaulted or raped. No one deserves that. Thinking its ok for prisoners further chips away at our remaining collective humanity.
And that also goes for law-abiding women who deal with the threat every damn day. Every. damn. day.
When did I ever claim it's acceptable? Hell, I don't laugh at rape jokes. That kind of "humor" just gets me angry.
The only thing I can accept is people having fantasies of it. And even then I feel iffy about people who find that a turn-on.
When did I ever claim it's acceptable? Hell, I don't laugh at rape jokes. That kind of "humor" just gets me angry.
You didn't. I'm just preemptively attempting to kill it stone dead.
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Therefore, if you are a white male, you should feel bad, and should walk around apologizing all day every day. Amirite?No. You straight white males are the only ones repeating that line. So f!%$ing enough already. Sexism straight-jackets you guys too; no one here is denying that either. Don't you want the freedom to express yourself as your true self, without constant unrealistic expectations/comments/pressure about your physical fitness, your masculinity/virility, your ability to provide, your emotional strength/stability...? Don't you want the freedom, whether you exercise it or not, to be passive or sensitive or dress beautifully or anything non-stereotypical-male
I hate the term privilege, because it insinuates that those with the privilege get something special, rather than other people being denied it.I'm sorry, but tough s$+%. On top of all your other advantages, you don't get to pick the language choice too. You do get something special that others don't. Privilege doesn't automatically make you a bad person.
When someone gets something extra, the remedy is to take it away, not give that same thing to everyone else. This fundamentally informs the mentality of the radical left.I need to meet this radical Left so many keep complaining about; they sound like a$&!*&%s to me too. Or maybe, you are again invoking bingo card bogeymen (like your "radical feminists" crack earlier).
It's not good enough that we all work to raise those up on the lower rungs of the ladder, the people born of "privilege" need to be torn down.No one says this except as as an ACME DIY strawman. All the sane LGBT people, non-whites, women want is just a level playing field... the same possibilities for opportunities to excel (and possibly fail too) that you have, the same equality, respect, and dignity that you take for granted. Anyone who tells you differently is trying to sell you something....
Sure, some of us want EQUALITY. making programs and laws to give to specific groups creates inequality and unfairness. A white student applying to UoM lawschool with perfect grades is less likely to get in than a black mediocre student until the supreme court shot it down. If that fair? is that "privilege"? Or is it screwing over good students for being the wrong color and pissing off a lot of people that actually care about real equality?
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(And nice try, but fail, trying to associate zoophilia with LGBT issues and sexuality/gender.)Whoa. No, that would not be anything I would endorse or promote. Intellectual discussion to categorize and differentiate diversity in sexual behavior does not equate to the things being discussed having anything whatsoever to do with one another.
Not "associating" anything, just saying that to me all sexual practices are basically the same.
Eh, i have a sense of humor i laugh at all jokes if they are funny. Including the "stupid pole" ones and "drunk irish" that are my background. Grow up and get a thicker skin people.
See, these are the kind of responses that tick me off.
How about you laugh about it after it's happened to you, or a friend of yours?
Never heard what happens at prisons before.Right. Daily life on the streets for a normal law abiding woman is pretty much like what you'd expect for a cute small guy in prison. Almost everybody is bigger and stronger than you, many are loud and aggressive about their sexual interest in you, some will be physically intrusive or get violent if you talk back or reject them. The constant threat and fear of assault shapes your life and curtails your freedom to walk anywhere.
Your point was that it's normal for everyday life on the streets for a woman to be pretty much at the same risk and threat level a guy can face in prison?
So just because I'm a guy I am a potential rapist threatening all women around me?
I better call the cops before I look at some random woman on the streets for half a second too long then!! /sarcasm
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Eh, i have a sense of humor i laugh at all jokes if they are funny. Including the "stupid pole" ones and "drunk irish" that are my background. Grow up and get a thicker skin people.See, these are the kind of responses that tick me off.
How about you laugh about it after it's happened to you, or a friend of yours?
Never heard what happens at prisons before.Right. Daily life on the streets for a normal law abiding woman is pretty much like what you'd expect for a cute small guy in prison. Almost everybody is bigger and stronger than you, many are loud and aggressive about their sexual interest in you, some will be physically intrusive or get violent if you talk back or reject them. The constant threat and fear of assault shapes your life and curtails your freedom to walk anywhere.
Your point was that it's normal for everyday life on the streets for a woman to be pretty much at the same risk and threat level a guy can face in prison?
So just because I'm a guy I am a potential rapist threatening all women around me?
I better call the cops before I look at some random woman on the streets for half a second too long then!! /sarcasm
I have and i do. I do not get too caught up in the past.
I find it highly sexist to be told that having a penis makes me a "potential rapist", like calling all muslims potential terrorists to me.
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Never heard what happens at prisons before.Right. Daily life on the streets for a normal law abiding woman is pretty much like what you'd expect for a cute small guy in prison. Almost everybody is bigger and stronger than you, many are loud and aggressive about their sexual interest in you, some will be physically intrusive or get violent if you talk back or reject them. The constant threat and fear of assault shapes your life and curtails your freedom to walk anywhere.
Your point was that it's normal for everyday life on the streets for a woman to be pretty much at the same risk and threat level a guy can face in prison?
I will never understand how so many women seem to have a crippling fear of men or being alone but are dead set against being armed. A 100 lbs person and 200 lbs are equal when one puts a bullet in them.
I find it highly sexist to be told that having a penis makes me a "potential rapist", like calling all muslims potential terrorists to me.
You find it highly sexist because that's exactly what it is.