Paizo please end the suffering


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RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Dedicated Voter Season 9 aka Darkjoy

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Paizo hear my plea! For years I’ve entered this competition and heard that judging was hard. Now I know that judging is hard. I’ve seen the horrible, uninspired submissions that you have seen and now I know and share your pain.

So please Paizo, end our suffering and cut the bottom 33% after one week of voting. And one week after that event cut another 33%.

Maybe it is too soon, but after spending a combined 12 hours judging pairs and finding only 2 items that were superstar, I think and hope that removing the bottom 33% will keep the voting fresh for the remaining voting period.

Silver Crusade RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16 , Dedicated Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Marathon Voter Season 9 aka Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan

So, are you proposing eliminating 5/9 or 2/3 of the total entries?

If there are 900 entries, eliminating 1/3 leaves 600, and then eliminating 1/3 leaves 400.

Or, are you proposing eliminating 300 and then 300, to have 300 remaining?

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Dedicated Voter Season 9 aka Darkjoy

33% each cut.

No math behind it, just a sense that after the intial cut more interesting choices will reveal themselves. And I don't want to impede those choices, I just want to remove the horrible items I've seen up to now.

Designer, RPG Superstar Judge

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;)

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Dedicated Voter Season 9 aka Darkjoy

Sean K Reynolds wrote:
;)

Laughs....

Understandable, we have to endure four more years of this to be even.

I am so sorry for the hurt we've caused.

Marathon Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Marathon Voter Season 9

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Sean K Reynolds wrote:
;)

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Marathon Voter Season 6

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Darkjoy wrote:
Sean K Reynolds wrote:
;)

Laughs....

Understandable, we have to endure four more years of this to be even.

I am so sorry for the hurt we've caused.

The difference is that when the judges before saw an item they didn't like, they didn't have to see it again, and again, and again, and again. I've seen some items a dozen times that these judges may never see.

We're even.

Gosh, I'm glad these submissions are anonymous.


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Oterisk wrote:


The difference is that when the judges before saw an item they didn't like, they didn't have to see it again, and again, and again, and again. I've seen some items a dozen times that these judges may never see.

I hope they didn't have to see them again and again and again. Tis painful indeed.

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Covent wrote:
Sean K Reynolds wrote:
;)

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This is now my voting theme song! I shall have this on continuous loop while voting lol.


Liquidsabre wrote:
Covent wrote:
Sean K Reynolds wrote:
;)

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This is now my voting theme song! I shall have this on continuous loop while voting lol.

Masochist.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 , Dedicated Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 7, Star Voter Season 8, Star Voter Season 9 aka Hodge Podge

Liquidsabre wrote:
This is now my voting theme song! I shall have this on continuous loop while voting lol.

AWWW YEAH. LET'S DO THIS. xD

RPG Superstar 2009, Contributor

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Darkjoy wrote:
Paizo hear my plea!

Suck it up, guys! ;-)

You were already spared the completely mind-numbing insanity of the 10% that were DQ'ed. Some for reasons that would make you implode after a single viewing. You only know a small measure of the pain. Now vote on! And endure!

And, if you can't do that, I'll be merciful and give you the only other way out:

Spoiler:

EXPLOSIVE RUNES!!!

Liberty's Edge Marathon Voter Season 6

The fact that you guys had to figure out which ones to DQ...doesnt that mean you saw them all already?


Neil Spicer wrote:
Darkjoy wrote:
Paizo hear my plea!

Suck it up, guys! ;-)

You were already spared the completely mind-numbing insanity of the 10% that was DQ'ed. Some for reasons that would make you implode after a single viewing. You only know a small measure of the pain. Now vote on! And endure!

Quite whining you all. You think that voting on this is hard? You haven't had to create, perform and then grade a test for fourteen year students. Bah, grammar mistakes? English is damn simple grammatically. Sheesh.

Spoiler:
MAGIC IMMUNITY

Marathon Voter Season 6

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Aw, it's not bad. I'm just going until I can vote for my item. Sure, it's been 14 hours, but it has still been fun.

Spoiler:
Explodes

Marathon Voter Season 6

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Drejk wrote:
Neil Spicer wrote:
Darkjoy wrote:
Paizo hear my plea!

Suck it up, guys! ;-)

You were already spared the completely mind-numbing insanity of the 10% that was DQ'ed. Some for reasons that would make you implode after a single viewing. You only know a small measure of the pain. Now vote on! And endure!

Quite whining you all. You think that voting on this is hard? You haven't had to create, perform and then grade a test for fourteen year students. Bah, grammar mistakes? English is damn simple grammatically. Sheesh.

** spoiler omitted **

That's just for school though, not something that matters like RPG Freelancing.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 6, Dedicated Voter Season 7, Star Voter Season 8 aka Ezekiel Shanoax, the Stormchild

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Darkjoy wrote:

Paizo hear my plea! For years I’ve entered this competition and heard that judging was hard. Now I know that judging is hard. I’ve seen the horrible, uninspired submissions that you have seen and now I know and share your pain.

So please Paizo, end our suffering and cut the bottom 33% after one week of voting. And one week after that event cut another 33%.

Maybe it is too soon, but after spending a combined 12 hours judging pairs and finding only 2 items that were superstar, I think and hope that removing the bottom 33% will keep the voting fresh for the remaining voting period.

And deprive the judges of this year's hearty dose of schadenfreude? No, I think not.

We have - collectively - earned this. It's time to wash the dishes our own damn selves, so to speak.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Coridan wrote:
The fact that you guys had to figure out which ones to DQ...doesnt that mean you saw them all already?

Saw? Yes. But we didn't have to take any time to really read or understand all of them—we just had to make sure that they followed the rules: making sure all the pieces were there, everything was generally in English, and didn't go over word count. I can do that in a few seconds per entry. Things that that cursory look wouldn't catch were then caught by the reporting system that was available the first day.

(I speak for myself—some of the judges did read and comment on some items.)

Dark Archive

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Looking forward to more 'wonderess items' for the pinky ring slot. Also any combination of "Black" "Doom" and "Shadow" in the name would get an upvote consideration from me.

Hoping also to find a few more Bag of Everythings and maybe a Six Spells for the Price of Nones hidden in the mix.


Cheapy wrote:
That's just for school though, not something that matters like RPG Freelancing.

You're talking about grammar?


Squeatus wrote:

Looking forward to more 'wonderess items' for the pinky ring slot. Also any combination of "Black" "Doom" and "Shadow" in the name would get an upvote consideration from me.

Hoping also to find a few more Bag of Everythings and maybe a Six Spells for the Price of Nones hidden in the mix.

Black shadow of doom is a great name for a multipurpose epic spellcasting artifact!

Liberty's Edge Dedicated Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 7

Black Doomshadow is so going to be the name of my next PC.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 7 aka Aelryinth

Doom of the Black Shadow sounds like a nice name for an intelligent weapon.

Or a pulp novel.

==Aelryinth

Dedicated Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Dedicated Voter Season 9

As I wait to find mine(hoping it made the 10% DQ cull) I have been wondering how some of these made it past the DQ cull. Do I vote for the stinker that's nonsensical or the stinker that doesn't even try to fallow the template? It's hard bringing my self to vote for any of the stinkers even knowing it's only to vote it less stinky than to other.


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Sulaco wrote:
Black Doomshadow is so going to be the name of my next PC.

I'd go with Shadow Blackdoom.

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Aaron Miller 335 wrote:
As I wait to find mine(hoping it made the 10% DQ cull) I have been wondering how some of these made it past the DQ cull. Do I vote for the stinker that's nonsensical or the stinker that doesn't even try to fallow the template? It's hard bringing my self to vote for any of the stinkers even knowing it's only to vote it less stinky than to other.

Between those two options, the one stinker that didn't follow the template ... at least it's not nonsensical.

And I am also still hoping to find my entry ... the longer it goes, the more I am thinking I did something in my submission that made it fall in that 10%...

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor

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Oterisk wrote:
Darkjoy wrote:
Sean K Reynolds wrote:
;)

Laughs....

Understandable, we have to endure four more years of this to be even.

I am so sorry for the hurt we've caused.

The difference is that when the judges before saw an item they didn't like, they didn't have to see it again, and again, and again, and again. I've seen some items a dozen times that these judges may never see.

The judges are brighter than you?

Nothing forcing you to keep voting. Reminds me of the guy who gets a sharp pain in his eye when he drinks coffee.


Drejk wrote:
Sulaco wrote:
Black Doomshadow is so going to be the name of my next PC.
I'd go with Shadow Blackdoom.

I like Doom Shadowblack

Liberty's Edge Marathon Voter Season 6, Dedicated Voter Season 7

Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Shadoom Blackow!


Whoa... that sounds like the verbal component for a fireball of darkest night, with tormented souls flickering along the edges like tongues of flame, caught in a moment of their eternal silent screams. Scary! (Unless you read it as Blackcow, then not so much.)


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Liquidsabre wrote:
Covent wrote:
Sean K Reynolds wrote:
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This is now my voting theme song! I shall have this on continuous loop while voting lol.

Great song by which to vote!


I just enjoyed the fact that the video condensed what little funny there was in that terrible movie into the time frame of one mildly annoying song.

Said it before, I'll say it again: Most things that are funny in a five minute skit on SNL fall flat when turned into a 90 minute movie.

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Dennis Baker wrote:

The judges are brighter than you?

Nothing forcing you to keep voting. Reminds me of the guy who gets a sharp pain in his eye when he drinks coffee.

Maybe they are.

After naps I find I wasn't nearly as funny as I thought I was before them. I'm sure the judges either find more naps or more self-restraint.

Probably the latter...


Shadowborn wrote:
Said it before, I'll say it again: Most things that are funny in a five minute skit on SNL fall flat when turned into a 90 minute movie.

But hey, Wayne's World! And whoa, avatar confusion...

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor

Oterisk wrote:
After naps I find I wasn't nearly as funny as I thought I was before them. I'm sure the judges either find more naps or more self-restraint.

The point is, no-one expects you to go through the items dozens of times. If you start seeing a bunch of repeats, feel free to cut out. There will be a bunch of people chipping in on judging over the coming couple weeks to help relieve any 'suffering'.


Fredrik wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
Said it before, I'll say it again: Most things that are funny in a five minute skit on SNL fall flat when turned into a 90 minute movie.
But hey, Wayne's World! And whoa, avatar confusion...

I did say "most things." I'll also mention that that one kept to formula by attempting to stretch into a terrible sequel.

Marathon Voter Season 6

I'm only going until I can vote for my item once. That's all I really wanted to do. And if it was really bad I would quit. It is just a little frustrating when I see other items over a dozen times and never my own. Hopefully I didn't get disqualified for some reason and end up with no item to find. That would be sad.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor

I'm certain your item didn't get DQed. From what I recall from some of your older stuff you should be fine.


Have patience, Oterisk. It took me the better part of three days before I saw my item once.

Marathon Voter Season 6

Thanks man. I still find new items every 2nd or 3rd pairing, so I'm sure it's in there somewhere.

Big fan of your Alchemist's guide by the way.


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Shadowborn wrote:
I did say "most things." I'll also mention that that one kept to formula by attempting to stretch into a terrible sequel.

There was only one Wayne's World movie, much as there was only one Highlander movie.

Oterisk wrote:
It is just a little frustrating when I see other items over a dozen times and never my own. Hopefully I didn't get disqualified for some reason and end up with no item to find.

That is unlikely. Items get weighted more likely to appear when they have less votes. So if your item is really good or really bad, then it wouldn't get as many "equally good/bad" votes as other items, and it would take longer for you to see it.

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Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I have only seen my item once, and seen a lot of repeated items.
I saw my item today, and had been voting for ages.
Don't stress, if you did your best there's no need to fear.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor

Fredrik wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
I did say "most things." I'll also mention that that one kept to formula by attempting to stretch into a terrible sequel.

There was only one Wayne's World movie, much as there was only one Highlander movie.

Oterisk wrote:
It is just a little frustrating when I see other items over a dozen times and never my own. Hopefully I didn't get disqualified for some reason and end up with no item to find.
That is unlikely. Items get weighted more likely to appear when they have less votes. So if your item is really good or really bad, then it wouldn't get as many "equally good/bad" votes as other items, and it would take longer for you to see it.

If people are following the guidelines, there won't be many "equally good/ bad" votes; all items will have nearly an equal number of votes.


Dennis Baker wrote:
If people are following the guidelines, there won't be many "equally good/ bad" votes; all items will have nearly an equal number of votes.

That's a pretty big "if" compared with doing what's easiest.

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I am really disappointed in you, Neil. What about...

Spoiler:
maximized mythic exploding runes?

I thought we shared a moment...

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor

Fredrik wrote:
Dennis Baker wrote:
If people are following the guidelines, there won't be many "equally good/ bad" votes; all items will have nearly an equal number of votes.
That's a pretty big "if" compared with doing what's easiest.

I don't think so.

I think it's reasonable to assume most people taking the time to judge items, are going to at least make an effort to do it right. If you are clicking "equally good/ bad" a lot, then you have no room to complain about seeing lots of repetitive items, you are creating the problem you are complaining about.


I haven't clicked it once myself, but it's possible that my public safety job has made me cynical about people.

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I think removing the 'neither' option entirely would help a lot. If all it does is send the awful pair to some other poor bastard.

RPG Superstar 2009, Contributor

Steven T. Helt wrote:
I am really disappointed in you, Neil. What about...

I didn't want to go all maximized and mythic, because I don't actually want anyone to take that way out. Just rough them up a bit before I push them back into the voting line. ;-)

Star Voter Season 6

Neil Spicer wrote:
I didn't want to go all maximized and mythic, because I don't actually want anyone to take that way out. Just rough them up a bit before I push them back into the voting line. ;-)

Dude, you're a little more cruel than I expected.

I do like the culling suggested at the beginning of this thread. The time frames make sense as well in that it gives all items enough time to separate chaff from wheat.

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