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Here's my new build, a bladebound kensai magus. I suppose those archetypes synergize very well, despite losing spell recall, some spells per day and other minor things (adding int to ac, initiative and crit confirmations plus not having to pay for armor nor weapons is pretty much worth it, i guess :P)
Elf race (reactionary and magical lineage [shocking grasp] traits)
20 pt buy: Str 10, Dex 17 (19), Con 14 (12), Int 16 (18), Wis 7, Cha 7
favored class: extra arcana (I lose two arcanas with those archetypes, so i can use this instead of wasting feats)
Feats:
1- weapon finesse
1- weapon focus (bonus)
3- dervish dance
5- extra arcane pool
5- spell penetration (bonus)
7- intensified spell
9- extra arcane pool
11- greater weapon focus
11- empower spell (bonus)
13- maximize spell
15- spell perfection: shocking grasp
17- weapon specialization
17- greater spell penetration (bonus)
19- greater weapon specialization
Arcanas:
6- close range (to use something instead of the "cheesy" arcane mark)
6- arcane accuracy
12- critical strike
12- accurate strike
15- bane sword
18- enduring blade
18- spell blending
The low wis and con kinda hurts, but not having to pay for a sword or armor means i can get cloak of resistance and a belt of dex/con earlier than others, and with int adding to ac and a few wands of shield/mage armors, i can have as much ac as an optimised fighter ^^
Also, with spell perfection i can have an maxiized intensified shocking grasp as a level 1 spell, or maximized intensified empowered as level two, doing massive damage with critical strike. Cool, aint it?
What you guys think? The kensai bladebound is a good combination, or is it better to go with just a normal bladebound magus?
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english isnt my first language, and i still managed to understand that, lol. Katana is only good for str magus, as it isnt finesseable. Even if it was, i couldnt add agile on her with my arcana pool. But then, using a katana as my blackblade would be soo cool! Im almost tempted in doing a str bladebound now just for this xD *thinking about bleach shinigamis*. So, kensai isnt optimal even with int adding to ac and init? maybe spell recall is really too good to give up on an archetype, after all.
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I don' lik da stoopid dervish dance too cheaty face campy to me. mek str total ded stat.
dut dat just me.
Ja, Katana be da betta cuz katana c'n use wid two hand for normal hit den use wid 1 hand for da spell strik PWN!
Now dat I look at you stats I see why you want the dex weapon though... gess dat OK but so many dump stat mek me face cry.
next level me tek favor enemy min/max ^_^
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Hey, decided to make just a normal bladebound magus, heres the changes:
feats:
1- weapon finesse
3- dervish dance
5- weapon focus (bonus)
11- empower spell
11- spell penetration (bonus)
17- greater weapon focus
19- extra arcane pool
arcana:
6- arcane accuracy, close range
9- accurate strike
12- critical strike
15- bane weapon
18- enduring blade
also, about the stats, i lowered the int to raise con so i will have an better survivability:
20 pt buy: Str 10, Dex 17 (19), Con 16 (14), Int 14 (16), Wis 7, Cha 7
as armor, ill use celestial armor. Thoughs?
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I don' lik da stoopid dervish dance too cheaty face campy to me. mek str total ded stat.
dut dat just me.
Ja, Katana be da betta cuz katana c'n use wid two hand for normal hit den use wid 1 hand for da spell strik PWN!
Now dat I look at you stats I see why you want the dex weapon though... gess dat OK but so many dump stat mek me face cry.
next level me tek favor enemy min/max ^_^
I notice you are purposefully misspelling everything.
Why?
You are also using 4chan and 13yr old Halo player slang.
Why?
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Wield a Scimitar, and nab the Dervish Dancer feat.And show your individuality by copying every other cookie-cuter magus out there. I thought about going kensai with my bladebound but that meant giving up more of the magical aspect of the character than I was willing to go.
It is all about the flavoring that makes a PC's individuality.
If someone is feeling a bit too hipster to use the "mainstream" tried and true tactics, then the Aldori Dueling Sword.
You could always take the Dervish Dancer feat "ironically".
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I notice you are purposefully misspelling everything.
Why?
I don' misspell nottin' I jus use pronunciation respelling to betta represent da langwitch an' attitude of me characta. me langwitch jus happen ta be sometin lik bastadized jamaican patois.
You are also using 4chan and 13yr old Halo player slang.
Why?
I not 13 and never do 4chan me characta jus use dis slang when funny to use de slang. some time I jus mek it up.
Personally, I'd houserule that a katana could be finesseable, but that's just me. Either that, or see if your GM would let you make a wakizashi, which is finesseable, into a black blade (Because you can't normally).
I played a bladebound kensai with a katana some time ago, it was actually really fun if you play up with flavor by making yourself from Tian Xia (Minkaian, naturally.)
I play a kensai magus as a str build, no bladebound and i like it alot. Hes currently 15th level and i play him as a highly mobile that specilizes in crit setting up his ninja counter part and spamming staggering crit to as many bad guys as possible.. Greater Bladed Dash is good for this.. Went with weapon focus/weapon spec./power attack and uses a scimitar. His AC is in the mid to high 30s depending on buffs and he hit for ard 30 with a standard power attack.. Maybe not as potent as the cookie cutter dervish/mega shock build, but still has its high points and is very fun to play..
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I sorry but Im not sorry blackblood, don lik it, don read it.
ashram... finess katana be too crazy. Katana already have good-good ability. add one more mek too much powaful
Wakizashi c'n make blackblade, jus gotta tek 'eirlomb weapon trait. ... same wid katana to be tru.
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Blop.
I dont even like the idea of dervish dance. dervish dance should not exist because of its mechanical effect on the game but if it must it should probably require an exotic weapon not martial.
but thats got nothing to do with this thread.
katana is not and never has been a 'finess' weapon in game or history. It should not be one now.
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I notice you are purposefully misspelling everything.
Why?
I don' misspell nottin' I jus use pronunciation respelling to betta represent da langwitch an' attitude of me characta. me langwitch jus happen ta be sometin lik bastadized jamaican patois.
I not 13 and never do 4chan me characta jus use dis slang when funny to use de slang. some time I jus mek it up.You are also using 4chan and 13yr old Halo player slang.
Why?
First, please note; in spite of the fact we share the same avatar, I am not blackbloodtroll.
That said, do you wish to be taken seriously?
Do you wish your posts to be considered anything more then immature distraction at best & 'trolling' at worst?
If you wish to be taken seriously, to have your words be considered viable & a productive component of this conversation, s$!$can the patois.
I can just about guarantee you that actual Jamaicans who actually speak that way normally, do not type that way for 'flava'...
If you want to be considered an adult, productive, member of this, or any other online conversation, act like it.
edit: BBT, stop antagonizing the child. You are only encouraging him.
I dont even like the idea of dervish dance. dervish dance should not exist because of its mechanical effect on the game but if it must it should probably require an exotic weapon not martial.
but thats got nothing to do with this thread.
katana is not and never has been a 'finesse' weapon in game or history. It should not be one now.
First; in 3.5 the Katana was finesse-able. Mechanically, a Katana was a Masterwork, Finesse-able Bastard Sword. Look it up. I'm not saying that was 'superior' or more 'realistic' than the current, Pathfinder version, I'm just saying your statement regarding katanas not being finesse weapons in game is not quite accurate.
Second; please stop posting using different avatars in the hopes that we won't recognize this is the same person who was 'trolling' not four posts earlier. Still not terribly adult behavior.
edit: @BBT, I believe you meant 'does not blather like a fool.
At this point, I feel that we are all getting a bit heated emotionally & would recommend we all take a few moments & consider how we really want this to go. blue_the_wolf has thematic disagreements with a number of the mechanical recommendations given & to be honest I don't entirely disagree with the ones he has raised. I do disagree with how he raised them.
Kalenz,
you where talking about a strength based BladeBound Kensai...
take a look at my build below
Toseeoto Kakita
male Tiefling Fighter (Cad) 1/ Magus (Bladebound-Fiend Flayer-Kensai) 11
LN Medium Humanoid
Init: +11; Senses: Perception +20
AC 31,Touch 22,Flat-footed 22
(+5 dex, +4 Int, +5 armor, +1 luck, +2 def, +4 nat)
Hp 100
Fort +12 Ref +15 Will +10
Offence:
Spd 30
Katana (Black Blade +3): +19/+14
Katana Arcane Pool Enchanted (Black Blade +3, Speed) +19/+19/+14
<+9 bab, +6 Str, +3 weapon enchant, +1 wep. focus >
Above with Spell Combat/Spellstrike & Power Attack: +17/+14/+15/+9
<-3 power attack, -2 spell Combat>
Damage
Two-Handed d8 +27 (15-20/x2)
One-Handed d8 +21 (15-20/x2)
<Attacks preformed two-handed: +9 Str, +3 Enc, +3 Arcane Strike, +9 power attack, +2 Wep. Spec>
Most GMs allow me to do all my attacks two-handed, as there is no action for changing grips, one handed is shown just in case.
Stats:
STR: 23 (+6) DEX: 20 (+5) CON: 14 (+2) INT: 16 (+4) WIS: 10 (+0) CHA: 6 (-2)
Base BAB: +9/+4
CMB:+15
CMD:37
Feats/Traits:
Feats
Bonus Fighter
Furious Focus
Bonus Kensai
Weapon Pro (Katana)
Weapon Focus (Katana)
Arcane Strike
Improved critical (Katana)
Advancement
Power Attack
Armor of the Pit (+2 Natural AC)
Intensify spell (Shocking Grasp)
Weapon Specialization (Katana)
Extra Arcana: Ghost Blade
Extra Arcana: Spell Bender False Life, Protection from Energy
Arcana
Arcane Accuracy
(plus above)
Traits
Accelerated Drinker
Magical Lineage (Shocking Grasp)
Favored Class
+11 hp
Skills:
Acrobatics +12(+20)
Climb 1(+10)
Fly 2 (+10)
Knowledge (Arcane) +8(+15)
Knowledge (dungeoneering) +8(+15)
Knowledge (Planes) +8(+15)
Perception 12 (+15, +20 with eyes)
Spellcraft 8 (+15)
Stealth 12 (+20, 25 Armor)
Swim: 1 (+10)
Class Abilities:
Arcane Pool 7
Infernal Mortification
Cantrips
Spell Combat
Canny Defense (Ex)
Spellstrike
Black Blade
Perfect Strike
Fighter Training, Iaijutsu
Improved Spell Combat
Critical Perfection
Fighter Training
Superior Reflexes
Gear:
7 Pearls of Power (1st level)
Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier
Belt +4 Dexterity and Strength
Ring of Protection +2
Cloak of Resistance +3
Eyes of the Eagle (+5 to Spot)
Headband of Intellect +2
Amulet of Natural Armor +2
Silken Armor +4 of Shadow
Katana is a Black Blade +3
Spells Memorized:
Level 0 (4)
. Arcane Mark
. detect magic
. mage hand
. read magic
Level 1 (5/day)
. shield x2
. Shocking Grasp (Intensify) x3
Level 2 (5/day)
. False Life
. Bladed Dash
. Resist Energy
. frigid touch x2
Level 3 (4/day)
. displacement
. monstrous physique I
. vampiric touch
. elemental aura
Level 4 (2/day)
. Bladed Dash, Greater
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this is funny because believe it or not I AM Jamaican!
and truth be told we ACTUALLY use pronunciation respelling in net and text communications when we want to. trust me you would not even understand a word of actual Jamaican text speech, hell I barely do my self ^_^
But lis'in bredrin. dis bastadized simplified an easy peasy fa spits and shiggles. we not talkin' fate a' de world philosophy we chat bout game stuff an' when i use dis characta I talk like dis fu fun.
I dont really plan to use it much... I just been messing with it lately... only reason I used it after the second post was to mess with blackblood.
Im not hiding anything. when I use blue I am being more serious. when I use shol I am joking around... even if I am making a valid point.
also.. I am not upset or emotional at all.. if you are you should take a break its not that serious.
Trust me bredrin life got bigga problem den dis.
PS. your right in 3.5 it was a finesse weapon I dont really think about 3.5 anymore when thinking about pathfinder thought now that I think about it the 3.5 katana transfered into pathfinder as the elvish curved blade (sort of).
on a side note finessable or not Katana and wakizashi cannot by RAW be used with dervish dance. since the main reason for using dervish dance is to turn STR into the ultimate dump stat finessing these weapons is not so horrible, I am just against it in principal.
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this is funny because believe it or not I AM Jamaican!
and truth be told we ACTUALLY use pronunciation respelling in net and text communications when we want to. trust me you would not even understand a word of actual Jamaican text speech, hell I barely do my self ^_^
But lis'in bredrin. dis bastadized simplified an easy peasy fa spits and shiggles. we not talkin' fate a' de world philosophy we chat bout game stuff an' when i use dis characta I talk like dis fu fun.
I dont really plan to use it much... I just been messing with it lately... only reason I used it after the second post was to mess with blackblood.
Shol, just another point... Your respelling makes your post practically illegible to people like me (and the post starter) than don't have English as main language. Actually, after your second post, I almost gave up of reading your posts (I'm Brazilian).
I know that it could be my flaw, but maybe I could have something interesting to contribute to your ideas. However, I am barely capable of understand them.
Go with the Elven Curve Blade instead, it IS finessable and way cooler.
cant do curved blade with magus. its a two handed weapon and you have to WIELD a light or one handed weapon in order to use spell combat.
Katana is technically a 1 handed weapon when you have the exotic feat so its usable by the magus who has the feat which he automatically gets to simulate if he takes the heirloom weapon trait which also happens to give him the weapon itself.
cant do curved blade with magus. its a two handed weapon and you have to WIELD the weapon 1 handed in order to use spells.
Katana is technically a 1 handed weapon when you have the exotic feat so its usable by the magus who has the feat which he automatically gets to simulate if he takes the heirloom weapon trait which also happens to give him the weapon itself.
Not true, you only have to wield one handed for spell combat. A wizard can hold a staff in one hand to cast a spell with the other, and a magus can hold a curve blade in one hand and cast with the other, and if you're both a kensai AND a bladebound, you probably won't rely on spells much anyway.
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Woah woah, calm down guys! lets not start a discussion like this on a topic about magus builds, shall we?
Shol, i'm brazillian just like tiago and i couldnt understand very well your last posts, in fact, this whole discussion could have been avoided if you just posted like blue wolf on the first place, but lets forget that.
About the elven curved blade, wolf already said about the problems, and dervish dance only works with scimitars. Nunspa posted an interesting build about bladebound kensai using katana, but i wonder if thats really effective. Having to use both dex for defence and str for attack looks way too much MAD for me. I'm still deciding what kind of build i will use, but so far the dervish dance with spell perfection looks like the best damage dealer here. Any suggestions? ^^
WOW... I just read the update on heirloom weapon.
the original wording for heriloom weapon was this
The errata is
It makes Katana much more difficult for Magus to use as he has to take the exotic weapon feat.
it also nerfs the weapon itself. Very interesting.
surprised this errata is a year old.
correct big lemon you quoted while I was editing.
At 1st level, a magus learns to cast spells and wield his weapons at the same time. This functions much like two-weapon fighting, but the off-hand weapon is a spell that is being cast. To use this ability, the magus must have one hand free (even if the spell being cast does not have somatic components), while wielding a light or one-handed melee weapon in the other hand.
but the fact remains... using curved blade kind of nixes most of the reason to play a magus.