I have a question about Rage. As i'm making a Monk/Barbarian, there is an ability that the monk has that is questionable.
Could i use the Martial Artist Monks Exploit Weakness ability wile i am raging?
While Exploit Weakness (Ex) is not a Cha, Dex or Int skill (or check for that matter), I would argue that it would require the use of concentration that raging does not allow, though another DM might rule differently of course.
Out of curiosity, how are you taking Monk and Barbarian together?
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While Exploit Weakness (Ex) is not a Cha, Dex or Int skill (or check for that matter), I would argue that it would require the use of concentration that raging does not allow, though another DM might rule differently of course.
Out of curiosity, how are you taking Monk and Barbarian together?
The Martial Artist archetype removes the alignment restriction.
This particular ability I would be on the fence about. It's a studious thing (looking for weaknesses), but it's done so quickly that it wouldn't require concentration or slow you down in any way (swift action; "concentration" typically is standard or higher). Since I tend to rule on the side of "allow", I'd probably allow it, but wouldn't be surprised to see others rule the other way.
Mm, I did not know this, thank you Kiinyan.
! What trait is that, Blackblood?
This trait. Aasimar only, though.
My whole plan is to get a barbarian/monk dwarf. The barbarian to fuel the BAB for FOB wile having descent stats. This character is for the PFS by the way. That's why i'm trying to figure it out before i realy dive into it.
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let's look at the actual rules.
While in rage, a barbarian cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except Acrobatics, Fly, Intimidate, and Ride) or any ability that requires patience or concentration.
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At 4th level, as a swift action, a martial artist can observe a creature or object to find its weak point by making a Wisdom check and adding his monk level against a DC of 10 + the object's hardness or the target's CR. If the check succeeds, the martial artist gains a +2 bonus on attack rolls until the end of his turn, and any attacks he makes until the end of his turn ignore the creature or object's DR or hardness.
A martial artist may instead use this ability as a swift action to analyze the movements and expressions of one creature within 30 feet, granting a bonus on Sense Motive checks and Reflex saves and a dodge bonus to AC against that opponent equal to 1/2 his monk level until the start of his next turn.
This ability replaces ki pool.
The only argument against this that I can see, would be that observation implies concentration and thus you cannot use the first part to bypass the DR. The other way you can use this ability, also implies concentration by "analyzing"
I as a GM would say these two abilities are incompatible with each other since they both require either concentration or patience. There is no clear way to read it, so it'll be up to whomever is running to decide, but I feel safe in my read of it.
The fact that it uses a Wisdom based roll and not Charisma, Dexterity, or Intelligence for an ability inclines me to think it is usable.
i'll have to ask my gm about this. i have a fealing that it would be different from gm to gm.
Fuzziest rule in Pathfinder is that "or any ability that requires patience or concentration" rage restriction.
Pretty much any action could be argued as requiring patience, so doing anything other than arghsmashkill while raging is at the mercy of GM whim.
That said, most GMs tend to ignore that phrase except for the grossest abuses, and only use the Cha/Dex/Int restriction.
Sneak attack is different than this ability. Sneak attack only applies if the enemy loses his DEX bonus, or flanked. In those cases the enemy is left open, and unable to defend his precious internal organs.
The Martial Artist ability is about YOU bypassing the enemy's defenses, seeking out a weak spot.
One seeks an opportunity, the other merely takes advantage of one.
I could see going either way on the ultimate question here. But if I were the GM I would NOT allow it. Unless you took the rage power: Moment of Clarity.
Sneak attack is different than this ability. Sneak attack only applies if the enemy loses his DEX bonus, or flanked. In those cases the enemy is left open, and unable to defend his precious internal organs.
The Martial Artist ability is about YOU bypassing the enemy's defenses, seeking out a weak spot.
One seeks an opportunity, the other merely takes advantage of one.
I could see going either way on the ultimate question here. But if I were the GM I would NOT allow it. Unless you took the rage power: Moment of Clarity.
Yes, but sneak attacking is precision damage, and precision would require patience or concentration. Yet, by the RAW, a Barbarian can indeed sneak attack.
The saving grace of this combination is that the ACTUAL RULES allow it.
"Cannot use any CHA, DEX, or INT based skills"
"Make a WIS check"
As far as the "patience and concentration" is concerned, it's a swift action. Happens very fast. That doesn't require much patience.
If this required a larger action, like a full-round action, I could see arguing the "patience and concentration" angle.
You could always just be an Urban Barbarian? *shrugs* done and done.
I'll do that booksy. And knowing that you can sneak attack is good to know.
I was looking at a different archtype for the barbarian
Sorry to necro but if you're 5th level in martial artist (and at least 1 level barbarian) and immune to fatigue, could you drop out of range every round, use this ability as a swift, then rage again, technically?
No 'technically' to it, it works perfectly. It's called 'Rage Cycling'.