I'll be running a game (level 11 module) this weekend, and one player is going to be a synthesist summoner.
I am very new to this class, and understand that the synthesist is very complicated.
Please audit this sheet and make sure that everything is done correctly.
He has his magic items on the second page.
Mostly concerned that his attacks/AC will be figured correctly.
So far, yes; this is all I have been given. As he gets me updates, I will update the linked file.
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First things first.
Count his evolution points THRICE! Not TWICE but THRICE! If there is going to be an "error" its going to 99% of the time be in the spending of evolution points. Then look at the evolutions purchased and know what they do.
If you plan on GMing I can't stress how important it is to know the Class and Archtypes inside and out for all your players. That is the most important thing I can tell you. Especially when it comes to tricky classes like Alchemist and Summoner.
Also check that he meets the prerequisites for whatever evolutions he takes. Several of them are limited by base form of the eidolon and class level of the summoner.
No offense taken, I will try to get more information and post it this evening.
What specifically should I ask the player to put together for me?
HD: The sheet lists his eidolon as having 9d10 hit dice and 70 hp. That's the correct number of hit dice for a level 11 summoner. I think he may be counting the CON modifier twice, though -- once for the 11 levels of summoner, and once for 9 HD of eidolon. I'm not sure whether that's right nor not. I'm also not sure if he's applying the CON bonus from his belt of might constitution or not. His CON is 15, which seems awfully low if it's got a +4 bonus from this belt figured in.
If I were GM'ing it, and couldn't find a definitive ruling online, I would say that since the two are effectively a single creature, he only gets the CON modifier once (for the better of the two). That would drop the total hit points by 18.
SKR answered this and is up on the FAQ actually, you retroactively change you con mods for HP while in the form. SO if you were level 11, and your normal con went up from 14 to 18, you'd gain 2 HP a HD. This is dangerous though, cause with their HP link, they drain themselves of HP... And when they lose the Eidolon, their max HP is lowered with the con loss and the damage pretty much auto-kills you.
Evolution Points: He's taken Extra Evolution 3 times, which is legit. Those have to be taken at levels 1, 5, and 10, but I don't see any problems with feat prerequisites or anything. He's also used the Half-elf alternate favored class to increase his evolution points by 2. So his total evolution points should be 20 (15 base + 3 feat + 2 favored class). The evolutions he lists are:
Basic Magic (1 pt)
Minor Magic (2 pts)
Major Magic (3 pts)
Spell Resistance (4 pts)
Web (3 pts)That adds up to 13 points, leaving 7 unspent points. The Web evolution requires Climb as a prerequisite -- that's a 1 point evolution which he'll have to take.
Agreed, he's missing a lot of evolutions as it is.
Base form I don't see any listing of what base form he's using, or where he chose to put the level ability increases his eidolon gets at summoner levels 5 and 10. Without an indication of the eidolon's base form, I can't tell if the ability stats are right.
Acutally, I can't see how he could reach those stats: their all too low. Cause at this level he gets a +4 to STR & Dex. If he was a Quadruped, Aquatic, or Biped then he his STR is too low. If he's a Serpentine, his Dex is too low. But it looks like he spent both of the Eidolons normal ability bumps on his con.
AC This was hard to puzzle out. The numbers given in the columns on the character sheet just don't add up.
All base forms have a +2 Natural Armor though, so the numbers aren't off there imo.
Regardless, it seems like he doesn't know how to make one(to his detriment it seems). Tell him to come on to the forums for build advice, since it seems to me he needs it.
Ok.
Here is some more info.
For stat arrays, I let them use 15, 14, 13, 12, 10 and 8; with 3 floating bonus points.
Okay, well I have a few things.
1) For the Major Magic Evolution, his eidolon doesn't meet the requisite. "The eidolon must have a Charisma score of at least 12 and must possess the minor magic evolution to take this evolution." While this won't be illegal for him while fused, once he gets split form it'll be wierd. Also not sure it's a legal option, though since you can use Eidolon's stats for summoner feats, I wouldn't be suprised. Just check an FAQ or something.
2) His Eidolon's nat armor's off. The base is 2 from his form, +8 at level 11, and +2 from the evolution he bought... So it should be +12 if he put his whole armor bonus there.
3) Not sure what the Resistances beyond fire are too. Probably a mistype.
4) Resilient Eidolon is useless first off, since if you can't have T. HP... Still, secondly it doesn't matter, since he doesn't have the requisite feature, it's been replaced with the Sythesists.
More stuff but I'm playing a game atm.
Player in question is following this thread now, so he will get all changes and observations made.
Thanks for all the help
Okay, well I have a few things.
1) For the Major Magic Evolution, his eidolon doesn't meet the requisite. "The eidolon must have a Charisma score of at least 12 and must possess the minor magic evolution to take this evolution." While this won't be illegal for him while fused, once he gets split form it'll be wierd. Also not sure it's a legal option, though since you can use Eidolon's stats for summoner feats, I wouldn't be suprised. Just check an FAQ or something.
Actually, on that basis all of the "Magic" evolutions from Minor Magic on up would be disallowed for a synthesist, since the eidolon of a synthesist has no mental ability scores at all.
But if it is allowed, you have your choice of spending evolution points to boost your eidolon's charisma (useless when fused) or letting the "Magic" evolutions be useless when split. Or, when you finally get to that level, you can just reallocate your evolution points to something that works in both forms. There is no need to worry about that situation now since evolution points are reallocated from scratch at each level.
Also remember that the fused eidolon can only be healed by the rejuvenate Eidolon spell or by hit point transfer from the summoner. The standard cure spells do not heal temporary hit points.
Very good to know, thank you
Actually, on that basis all of the "Magic" evolutions from Minor Magic on up would be disallowed for a synthesist, since the eidolon of a synthesist has no mental ability scores at all.
But if it is allowed, you have your choice of spending evolution points to boost your eidolon's charisma (useless when fused) or letting the "Magic" evolutions be useless when split. Or, when you finally get to that level, you can just reallocate your evolution points to something that works in both forms. There is no need to worry about that situation now since evolution points are reallocated from scratch at each level.
It doesn't say that you don't have them, you just never use them.
While fused with his eidolon, the synthesist uses the eidolon’s physical ability scores (Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution), but retains his own mental ability scores (Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma).
It never says it doesn't have them, unlike feats or skills, which RAW, it doesn't have at all in any form. Regardless, given the incredibly murky wording of the Synthesist, it could go either way if he actually needs a real CHA score.
Though you raise a point, if/when you need to you can always just allocate a point to CHA at the appropriate level if it were allowed, all you have to do is cast a certain spell to meet the requisite. Though, I'd prefer just to dump the normal ability increases the Eidolon gets into it(2 +1's by 11) which would do the trick.