Using a Large Weapon...

[Sakrileg]

Making a character and was thinking of trying to use a Large Bastard Sword...how would I go about doing that without shooting myself in the foot?

I am looking for feats and abilities that would aid in this task.

[TriOmegaZero]

Titan Mauler.

[Gauss]

Take Exotic Weapon Proficiency Bastard Sword. This allows you to wield the Bastard Sword in one hand. Now that it is one-handed you may increase the size by 1 category and it becomes 2-handed (-2attack penalty).

Take 6 levels in Titan Mauler to remove the -2attack penalty. Now you are wielding a Large Bastard Sword with no penalty.

Note: Titan Mauler's cannot actually wield weapons too large for them. They are supposed to be able to but the rules do not allow it. Hand and a half weapons (such as bastard swords) are a small exception.

Note2: You cannot use Jotungrip with a Large Bastard Sword since the weapon has to be properly sized for your character.

- Gauss

[blackbloodtroll]

Exotic Weapon Proficiency(Bastard Sword). Then, wield with two hands.

It's what the Iconic Barbarian Amiri does.

[Sakrileg]

Gauss wrote:

Take Exotic Weapon Proficiency Bastard Sword. This allows you to wield the Bastard Sword in one hand. Now that it is one-handed you may increase the size by 1 category and it becomes 2-handed (-2attack penalty).

Take 6 levels in Titan Mauler to remove the -2attack penalty. Now you are wielding a Large Bastard Sword with no penalty.

Note: Titan Mauler's cannot actually wield weapons too large for them. This is the one workaround.

Note2: You cannot use Jotungrip with a Large Bastard Sword since the weapon has to be properly sized for your character.

- Gauss

I think I will just do the feat and deal with the -2 attack penalty.

Thank you guys! Was thinking this was the main way of doing. I was just hoping that there might be something I am over seeing.

[Gauss]

Sakrileg: The -2attack penalty will seriously decrease your damage.

The damage increase of a Bastard Sword to Large Bastard Sword is 1d10 to 2d8 which is an average increase of 3.5points. That might balance out -1attack penalty but not -2. Ultimately, your damage will be lower.

- Gauss

[Caderyn]

However having optimal damage isnt really required, you can get by with subpar damage and still do perfectly fine in pretty much any campaign, only very very rare campaigns need maximum optimisation to be effective in your chosen role.

I run a rogue using an oversized Falcata and I havent had any issues contributing to my party (and you get a much smaller damage boost from 1d8 to 2d6), the thing is that maximum optimisation is great in theory but in practice you can slack off quite a bit on optimisation and still be perfectly effective in your chosen role as most GM's dont assume that all the PCs are fully optimised.

[Gauss]

Caderyn:

I do not suggest people should optimize. But when someone does not do the kind of damage they think they should be able to do then they look for reasons. Sakrileg might as well know that reason up front. Not everyone blames the -2 penalty. Some blame the GM, the game design, etc.

- Gauss

[Umbranus]

There is a tiefling racial trait that increases damage with oversized weapons if I remember right. With adopted to get that it could work out as it gets closer to PA.

[blackbloodtroll]

Well, a Tiefling can have an alternate racial trait that replaces their darkness ability, but allows them to wield large weapons without penalty.

[Booksy]

If your GM will allow it, Half-Giant.

Quote:

Powerful Build: The physical stature of half-giants lets them function in many ways as if they were one size category larger.

A half-giant is also considered to be one size larger when determining whether a creature’s special attacks based on size (such as grab or swallow whole) can affect him. A half-giant can use weapons designed for a creature one size larger without penalty. However, his space and reach remain those of a creature of his actual size. The benefts of this racial trait stack with the effects of powers, abilities, and spells that change the subject’s size category.

(emphasis mine)

Save those feats for Eldritch Heratige: Orc

edit: although as bbt says, tiefling looks fun too =D

[Jadeite]

Use a huge sun blade.

[Malag]

Great trebutje is 2d8 damage if you wish. Masterwork removes fragile penalty.

[Booksy]

@ Jadeite Thats a 50 000g+ idea, but worth thinking about depending on what funds he has available.

If its a high magic world, he could even consider getting a permanent Lead Blade enchantment on it, moving the damage to Gargantuam (4d8).

@Malag I can't find Great Trebutje, unless you meant Large sized Trebutje, in which case the new damage is 2d6.

[Malag]

@Booksy
I never got the grasp of increase on dice from weapon rules, they seemed illogical and wierd. Doesn't 1d10 from medium to large increase to 2d8?

There is Great Trebutje in Stone Age weapons section. It's from Ultimate Combat.

[Harval]

could also create a home brewed race using the powerful-build ability. which let's you treat yourself as large or medium depending on how it suits you. that's what i did.

[mplindustries]

Before we go off on the mechanics here, let me ask, why do you want to wield a large bastard sword?

If it's for the damage and you're not an obscure race or whatever, it's not worth it. Go a different route.

If it's for the fluff, just use a normal sized bastard sword and describe it as being really big and cool.

[Azaelas Fayth]

There is an armor in Ultimate Equipment. That IIRC allows you to wield weapons one size larger. It is a later option But still an option.

[Darkflame]

i untherstand the apeal of using larger weapons i almost made my barbarrian a titan mauler so i could dual wield greatswords.

if you have 2 lvls in barbarrian you can use a greatsword in 1 hand at -2 but using a large bastard sword in 2 hands is ofcourse cooler. as its more damage

the thing is only for fluf its cool! if you run the numbers there are weapons like the scimitar wich can be made keen 25% chance to crit... do alot more damage! dual wielding scimitar and kukri both with the improved critical feet is ownage :-)

i gave up on the large weapons, you could also house rule the titan mauler and change it a bit so it can use larger weapons than alowed

[steve steve 983]

So just another quick question how many hands would a medium creature need to wield

1. A large two handed weapon
2. A huge one
3. A gargantuan
4. The biggest ?

[AaronOfBarbaria]

steve steve 983 wrote:

So just another quick question how many hands would a medium creature need to wield

1. A large two handed weapon
2. A huge one
3. A gargantuan
4. The biggest ?

I am going to assume you are asking if a large two-handed weapon can be treated as something like a medium three-handed weapon... and the answer is no, if sizing up a weapon and the mandatory increase in "wielding category" goes past two-handed, you just can't wield it anymore.

in all but the rarest cases (bastard swords, creatures with powerful build) none of the above are possible.

[LovesTha]

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[Malachi Silverclaw]

steve steve 983 wrote:

So just another quick question how many hands would a medium creature need to wield

1. A large two handed weapon
2. A huge one
3. A gargantuan
4. The biggest ?

A bastard sword (sized appropriately) is a one-handed weapon. Increasing the weapon size, among other things, makes a weapon go from light to one-handed to two-handed to unusable.

So, the number of hands a medium creature needs to use different sized bastard swords:-

1. Large= two hands
2. Huge= unusable
3. Gargantuan= unusable
4. The biggest= unusable

But you didn't ask about a bastard sword, you asked about a two-handed weapon! I apologise; I got my threads mixed up. : )

A medium creature cannot use a large or larger two-handed weapon, unless you have some special ability which specifically allows it.

[steve steve 983]

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:

steve steve 983 wrote:

So just another quick question how many hands would a medium creature need to wield

1. A large two handed weapon
2. A huge one
3. A gargantuan
4. The biggest ?

I am going to assume you are asking if a large two-handed weapon can be treated as something like a medium three-handed weapon... and the answer is no, if sizing up a weapon and the mandatory increase in "wielding category" goes past two-handed, you just can't wield it anymore.

in all but the rarest cases (bastard swords, creatures with powerful build) none of the above are possible.

Ok :)

So where would I find the weapon size rule? I have not been successful in finding it.

[steve steve 983]

steve steve 983 wrote:

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:

steve steve 983 wrote:

So just another quick question how many hands would a medium creature need to wield

1. A large two handed weapon
2. A huge one
3. A gargantuan
4. The biggest ?

I am going to assume you are asking if a large two-handed weapon can be treated as something like a medium three-handed weapon... and the answer is no, if sizing up a weapon and the mandatory increase in "wielding category" goes past two-handed, you just can't wield it anymore.

in all but the rarest cases (bastard swords, creatures with powerful build) none of the above are possible.

Ok :)

So where would I find the weapon size rule? I have not been successful in finding it.

Never mind I found it with equipment !:) Thx for the help

[AndIMustMask]

fun fact: you can also do the 'bastard sword' thing with a dwarf character (or dwarf-equivalent human/aasimar/half (elf/orc/gelatinous cube)) with the dwarven waraxe.

in case swords aren't your thing.

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also, a paladin with a huge-sized sun blade (or better yet, an oversized limbs tiefling dual-wielding two large-sized ones) is a hilarious thought. Far too anime to drive, but hilarious.

[blackbloodtroll]

The oversized limb ability of the Tiefling only removes penalties.

It does not allow him to wield a weapon larger than any other medium PC.

[AndIMustMask]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

The oversized limb ability of the Tiefling only removes penalties.

It does not allow him to wield a weapon larger than any other medium PC.

yes, and? both sun blades are treated as one-handed melee (instead of light) weapons, since they're effectively shortswords in terms of ease of use. oversized limbs is to remove the extra 2-point penalty for oversized weapons.

basically instead of twfing with shorswords he's twfing with longswords.

he's still taking a rather annoying hit for a one-handed weapon as his off-hand weapon, so it's by no means efficient, but it's a funny thought.

[blackbloodtroll]

It only removes the penalties for Large weapons, not Huge weapons.

[AndIMustMask]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

It only removes the penalties for Large weapons, not Huge weapons.

yes, that's why i editted the paladin i said was wielding it to not be a tiefling. that guy's just eating the -4 and mitigating it with smite or something. i should really work on clarifying things, i always jumble stuff in my posts together.