Bahamut, too.
I wouldn't be surprised if I heard that Final Fantasy was based on a D&D campaign played by the developers.
I'm pretty sure Final Fantasy was based on D&D. There are even illithids and beholders in there.
As were the Ultima games; the character creation options were a lot deeper than Final Fantasy(race, class, stat distribution, etc), and the game included lots of dungeon delving, having to buy food or your party would starve to death, you could catch various disease, etc. It had a lot more simulation aspects to it, despite the graphics being just a hair better than an Atari game.
The only reason they weren't actually called Illithids or Mind Flayers (believe they were called Sorcerers, Wizards, or Warlocks depending on where in the game you met them, denoting their relative strength) was copyright reasons.
Marilith's name was changed to Kary (a mistransliteration of Kali) due to space limitations on enemy names. This was fixed in later rereleases on better hardware (Origins on the PS1 and the GBA remake).
My community doesn't have a gaming store aside from Gamestop...
I have thought about using the library to try and pull togather the people still interested in table top. I also thought about researching grants or funding aids to start a gaming store...
I would never tell someone to not try something, but I will say be wary.
From what I have heard, gaming stores rarely make money. At best it might help offset the personal cost of a diehard gamer that buys everything.... If I remember correctly D&D had commercials. Would it be nice if Paizo had some commercials for Pathfinder?
Any thoughts and ideas on bringing the Pen and Paper to a game storeless community lol.
Become a local PFS Venture Lieutenant (or what ever it is called) to start a PFS game in your area. A store isn't required for that. Just someplace to game on a regular basis.
Or go to one of the online reqruitment sites to start a normal game.
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<slowly, cautiously peeks head out from behind wall>
Huh. And here I thought that this conversation would devolve into a flame war. I guess it IS safe for me to post here after all.
I'm Jewish, and when I was a child, my parents were quite disappointed in my poor performance in my religious studies, particularly in Talmud, a subject that I never really understood. They once blamed my poor grades on my wasting too much time playing D&D. (Needless to say, I disagree, and could rant for quite a while on the subject, but that would be getting way off topic.)
And now someone fears for creativity, and consequently asks for ideas to help boost Tabletop RPGs' presence. It's funny. In the past, some people, ranting about decline, might have said that kids spend too much time on entertainment OF ANY KIND. They might have said that kids should be spending time instead on their education, on holding a job, on learning to make a living, on helping their parents around the house, on helping their communities or charitable causes, or on religion (which is to say, whichever religion in which the speaker believes).
And yeah, in my day too, I knew very few people open to role playing. I knew many times as many people who spent a lot of time mocking them, or mocking those of us who played them. I knew still more people who played computer games. So I don't see a decline.
Anyhoo, about the video games, I never played "Adventure", but I was a big fan of Imagic's games for the Atari 2600, and when I played "Riddle of the Sphinx", I thought "Huh. It's like D&D."
It's funny that people should mention "Final Fantasy" and "Chrono Trigger". I might never have gotten interested in Eberron, but the airships, lightning rails, artificers, and warforged gave me warm, fuzzy memories of Squaresoft RPGs I had played in the 1990s. I created a warforged character named Robo, an artificer named Lucca, and a halfling barbarian from the Talenta Plains named Ayla.
(I never had to blow or lick to get my Super NES to work, although I did use a cleaning kit.)
In the original Final Fantasy, you rolled up all the characters in your party; chose classes, named them, etc. You had 6 initial classes to pick from, you looted dungeons, acquired gear, fought dragons and saved the world. All in turn-based combat(not real-time hack and slash).
How do you figure that isn't an RPG?
Different people have different definitions of "role playing", but some would say that a true role playing game must enable the player to choose any course of action that might be possible in the story, even if that course of action isn't covered in the rules. A computer program is restricted to whatever actions the programmers wrote. With a computer game, you can't really speak in character, and expect a computer-run NPC to understand what you said.
Good to know that the early role-playing games that got me into PnP role-playing games weren't actually role-playing games, according to some folks. Ah, semantics.
Good to know that the early role-playing games that got me into PnP role-playing games weren't actually role-playing games, according to some folks. Ah, semantics.
Well from definition standpoint they really aren't, as Aaron said you really didn't role-play in those games. I think the name originated because, as stated earlier in the thread, the early CRPGs were based on D&D; since then in the video game terminology the definition of "roleplaying game" has been less "game where you roleplay" and more "game where there is a leveling system and characters have individual stats".
On the other hand, since many of those early games involved piloting around a silent or mostly-passive protagonist (I think FF4 was the first of the Final Fantasies to give the main character a distinct personality and not just making him - or her in 6's case with Terra - a vehicle for the player's involvement), in a sense they do qualify as "playing a role" in that you're piloting about a character who's actions are mostly dictated by your own choices, within the limitations of the engine.
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There was a series of actual Dungeons and Dragons games for the NES, but I suppose by the above definitions those weren't RPG's either.
eally, many Japanese RPG's(JRPG) have not deviated from the "silent protagonist" game style even today. Sure, the main character might have some dialogue, but JRPG's are typically an absolute railroad with one single progression through the storyline. Doesn't sudden;y make them "not" RPG's.
Okay, I'll give you the one that was a top-down shooter where you rode dragons in Krynn(can't think of the name); not an RPG.
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OP, I think you are mistaking two diffrent things here:
1) there are more and more people who enjoy computer games, specifically the genre of MMO RPGs has seen some recent growth
2)instead of playing pen & paper RPGs, people started playing computer games
I think what is happening is option 1, while you are describing option 2 in your post.
The fact that there are ever increasing numbers of people playing games like WOW and Guildwars dosen't mean that there is a decline in the number of peapole playing roleplaying games the old fashioned way.
I am rather sure that there are more people playing Pen & Paper now than there were when you were younger. Games like Pathfinder are now very popular.
It's not so much that computer games "steal" potential people from Pen & Paper roleplaying, it's just that both are at a rise of popularity, and computer game more so than roleplaying games.
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I don't think there could ever be a PC or Console game able to capture the feeling of table top pen and paper.
You have the social element of living people sitting around you not miles away speaking through a mic.
You have limitless possibilities of choices you can give your character.
It is true open world giving the imagination of your DM.
Which is exactly why PnP RPG's still exist, and have not been phased out into obsolescence. PnP RPG's offer things that video game RPG's can't...
AND vice-versa. Sometimes I want to just explore, work on building up my character, do something that don't require me being social, maybe I've got a cold, or am hungover. Maybe my PnP group is on hiatus and aren't meeting for a while. Video game RPG's are GREAT for this.
The two don't need to be mutually exclusive. If you enjoy Coca-Cola, that doesn't mean that you can't enjoy other soft drinks either.
When I started this tread I just simply wanted to bring attention to the fact it seems the classic pen and paper is trying to fade away.
How so? Pathfinder is doing very well, D&D is building an entire new edition, where is this "fading away" you talk about? The world is bigger than your anecdotal perspective.
I value Pen and Paper as it builds imagination over simple push button games. I m not flaming console or pc games as I too play them. I just want to see Pen and Paper get more spotlight to open others eyes to the fact it is there.Come on lets re open the eyes of the world and show them that Pen and Paper is good and is still strong lol.
Soooo, get out there and do it? Playing the grumpy old codger part doesn't do much for fostering new players. Volunteer to run some games or work on building more gaming groups.
Final Fantasy. My first RPG.
Wait, does Adventure count?
Of course it counts. Many of us recall taking the role of the heroic little square and running around collecting keys from castles and avoiding being killed by those giant ducks in order to win the bright yellow cup. An echelon of high fantasy in the days when most kids were content to be a yellow dot that ate other dots and ran away from techicolor ghosts.
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I feel sorry for today's youth as I notice that Imagination is in a decline as more and more turn to the swift press of a button over the roll of dice. Gone are the days of pretend.
I know I may make no since in the above so I will sum up below...
I feel sorry for today's youth when I notice what passes for spelling in their rants. English is in a decline as more and more turn to a quick post on the Internet over taking the time to produce a proper essay. Gone are the days of good spelling.
"Make no since," indeed!
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I fear for the creativity of movies and games in the future as we can already see the movie industry's lack of new material.
How many John Wayne movies were there? What distinguished them from each other?
Yeah, that's what I thought. NEXT!
I feel sorry for today's youth when I notice what passes for spelling in their rants. English is in a decline as more and more turn to a quick post on the Internet over taking the time to produce a proper essay. Gone are the days of good spelling.
"Make no since," indeed!
You tell 'em, Auntie Martha! Your home-made elderberry wine is delicious too. {sips} Mmmmm, bitter almonds...
Perhaps it is online gaming which makes some video gamers so difficult to play D&d with?
The entitlement, the rage, the attitude. The idea they should be undefeatable and win easily, the power-gaming. Perhaps it is mindsets being brought from other entertainments into dnd? Perhaps it is merely a number of losers being attracted to the hobby? Perhaps roleplayers are at times, the worse people to play with, as a friend of mine sagely observed (he was getting at, that as fun as games can be, there are often problems and giant issues people bring to the table, I am special, I want this, I don't care about anyone else, to qualify).
I don't have all the answers, but there are problems (also a pc, ps3-1, snes, nes, sega master system and D&D gamer, so yeah, my flag is not only of one).
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The entitlement, the rage, the attitude.
Entitlement?
Every time I see someone talk about how D&D/Pathfinder "should" be or what it's "all about" or how other people "ruin" the game, the ones pointing fingers are the non-video-gamers (don't know how else to classify the group). I never see the reverse. Ever.
So on one hand we have these "video game/MMO kids" who are happy to play the game and say nothing of how others play it, and then we have the other folks who can't leave other people's playstyles alone.
Entitlement?
Players that feel themselves especially entitled. Extreme arrogance for instance, determined to put themselves above everyone else there and argue constantly to make this happen. Consider it a drink that mixed extreme pride with no care for everyone else, and a serious attitude after taste.
The entitlement, the rage, the attitude.Entitlement?
Every time I see someone talk about how D&D/Pathfinder "should" be or what it's "all about" or how other people "ruin" the game, the ones pointing fingers are the non-video-gamers (don't know how else to classify the group). I never see the reverse. Ever.
So on one hand we have these "video game/MMO kids" who are happy to play the game and say nothing of how others play it, and then we have the other folks who can't leave other people's playstyles alone.
Entitlement?
Well you have found one in the opposite direction, because yeah I am heavily into video games. Reverse found.
Might go play some soul calibur soon.
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Might go play some soul calibur soon.
Don't do it! Every single second you spend rotting your putrid brain before that infernal machine is a second you will never be able to spend exploring the wondrous mindscapes of Pathfinder. I don't even know why we're wasting time on this forum when we could be spending our time playing right now. Having multiple hobbies is just plain unacceptable; everyone should spend all their time doing what I want and nothing else.
Also, those kids sure don't look like they're playing D&D when they're refusing to get off my lawn.
*Looks up*
Yea pathfinder is okay, some of the parts of Golarion are exciting (its mindscapes if you will), others are frightfully dull and done-to-death. I made my own world, that is a lot of fun to create every session and throw the players into it head-first. Fantasy, but not Tolkienian fantasy, because I am a hipster dm, or something.
A storm is coming though, and bad habits are bleeding across the various hobbies. Perhaps it is simply all due to the revolt of the masses, an inevitable spawning of dicks causing problems for others.
*Looks back at screen and mashes those buttons*
Might go play some soul calibur soon.Don't do it! Every single second you spend rotting your putrid brain before that infernal machine is a second you will never be able to spend exploring the wondrous mindscapes of Pathfinder. I don't even know why we're wasting time on this forum when we could be spending our time playing right now. Having multiple hobbies is just plain unacceptable; everyone should spend all their time doing what I want and nothing else.
Also, those kids sure don't look like they're playing D&D when they're refusing to get off my lawn.
To add a little more though, I am surprised there is such an avid defence of video gamers. This coming when reviewers and critics that are as high a percentage of being video gamers as you can get, have been acknowledging and discussing in depth the problems of gamers of late. They have been really frank, and addressed the problems that have been identified.
I am talking about the attitude of being extremely angry, bitter and unhappy. The hate of difference, sexism and homophobia, this filthy conduct leaks through in poor behaviour online, a lack of decency or respect (F*# F%@ F#! F*@! GAAAYYYY, I HAD SEX WITH YOUR ****** and ****** *** ** *** ****** ****). I'd also add very little honour, but that is another issue. This crudeness is out there, and yeah, not a fan when it infects games I am in. The online gaming crowd or arrogant single player crowd can be a real source of scum. When people who just want to game start to see these types of folks, Babylon is under threat.
*Boots up a pc game*
Final Fantasy. My first RPG.
Wait, does Adventure count?
My first was a Zork Mod called DUNGEON!!!!! I was 5 or 6, and played it on my mom's computer at her job.
The best way to draw kids into a hobby is to rant angrily about how much kids these days suck and things were so much better back in my day. I can't imagine why my general strategy of waving a cane angrily at any child with a gameboy who passes by hasn't made them realize how much better I am than them and how they should really play my game.
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Final Fantasy. My first RPG.Chrono Trigger here.
CHRONO TRIGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My wife's second favorite- She is a Secret of Mana fan first and foremost.
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I bet you don't even know how to get an NES cart to work. :PFinal Fantasy. My first RPG.Chrono Trigger here.Lies. CT was my first RPG. Mario 1/Duck Hunt, Mario 3, ExciteBike, Ninja Turtles, and StarTropics were my first games.
Anyway - Same way you get a SNES one to work. Blow out the machine, blow out the cartridge. Lick the slot (or your finger then rub it on the slot, for the hygenically paranoid) if that doesn't do the trick.
Ah, blinking blue-and-pink NES screens when the thing decides it doesn't want to work today. Always used to beg my parents that my designated 30 minutes of "Nintendo Time" not be started until I got the thing working.
Dangit, now I'm all nostalgic.
STARTROPICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why didn't they make a remake...
I'm 33, and I'd say rpg's on Nintendo is what got me interestet in rpg's in the first place. So I disagree of course.Exactly the same case here (except I turn 33 this week). Video Game RPG's are what led me to table-top RPG's in the first place.
Almost the same here... I rented Ultima Exodus the week before I played Final Fantasy the first time. Ditto on Adventure on Atari. Does Zelda count?Final Fantasy. My first RPG.
Wait, does Adventure count?
ULTIMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SOULCALIBUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm...out of video games to shout....
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Final Fantasy. My first RPG.Chrono Trigger here.CHRONO TRIGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My wife's second favorite- She is a Secret of Mana fan first and foremost.
SoM was fun. Too bad the later Mana games were kind of meh.
Soundtracks were always AWESOME though, regardless of how good or bad the game was. Yoko Shimomura is a composing genius, right up on par with Uematsu, Mitsuda, and Michiru Yamane.
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Final Fantasy. My first RPG.Chrono Trigger here.CHRONO TRIGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My wife's second favorite- She is a Secret of Mana fan first and foremost.
I LOVED Secret of Mana. It was a lot of fun to play multiplayer.
My first was a Zork Mod called DUNGEON!!!!! I was 5 or 6, and played it on my mom's computer at her job.Final Fantasy. My first RPG.
Wait, does Adventure count?
I loved Adventure!
And Zork.
My community doesn't have a gaming store aside from Gamestop...
I have thought about using the library to try and pull togather the people still interested in table top. I also thought about researching grants or funding aids to start a gaming store.If I remember correctly D&D had commercials. Would it be nice if Paizo had some commercials for Pathfinder?
Any thoughts and ideas on bringing the Pen and Paper to a game storeless community lol.
Brother, I'm rapidly becoming a part of the older set myself... but I'll tell you -- your problem likely has more to do with your own scenery than our collective state of affairs. You don't get a good benchmark of how much cat-tails there are in the wetlands if you're standing in a desert. Likewise, your gamestore-free community is an arid environment to gauge interest in tabletop.
I live in a major metropolitan area and found a group of people who wanted to play pathfinder relatively quickly. When I was curious if I could broaden my net (as I was not fully getting my 'fix') I was able to locate PFS games at three different locations on three different days.
If PnP folk weren't being fertile progenitors of the hobby... our childhood fancies would not have so many ports of call. Not knowing your community I am not sure how viable starting a PFS nexus would be -- but I'd MAKE DAMN SURE your community can support a gaming group before I'd see if it can support a game store.
While the hobby is by NO MEANS dead or abandoned by youth... video games HAVE gone a great distance into making non-video game stores less economically viable. Add to that how much more affordable PDFs are, and the economic advantages of buying boardgames and RPGs online (generally 25-30% cheaper) ... it's daunting.
I'd say even if you can't get a fix in your community, a 2 hour commute once in a while to a nearby gaming hub will restore your faith somewhat in the next generation and how they are carrying the torch.
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Since we are on the subject I have to ask; Why is it so important to save the children? Is it just too depressing to imagine a world where children don't grow up to be TTRPG gamers? Or are your home games being devalued by video gamers?
Time and time again I see posters blaming video games for wrecking their TTRPG experience. I often wonder if I am the only person who screens his players/GMs? I have come to the conclusion that people play TTRPGs for a myriad of reasons and none of them are badwrongfun. Incompatible maybe, but to say someone is lazy or unimaginative is misguided I believe.
For some people a relaxing low investment game is exactly what they are after. Others want a more immersive serious experience. Even more folks want a tactical combat sim that's more like chess. Find your own place on the sliding scale and look for comparability in others beyond just owning the CRB. "But Pan I live in a town of only 5 gamers........." Time to move into the internets age or move out of the sticks son. Stop blaming everyone else for your experience.
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I'm pretty sure Final Fantasy was based on D&D. There are even illithids and beholders in there.Dude, Tiamat was in there.
Oh man, Tiamat. Rainbow explosion dragon. Too many bright colors, it's like a cartoon. This catering to the WoW crowd has been kiddifying the game ever since OD&D. All these ridiculous artists with overstylized art like Brom and Tony DiTerlizzi spit on the true spirit of the game. And what's with all this Asian and non-medieval stuff in the game these---What?! Demihumans can be paladins now?! THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!! >:(
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I'm...out of video games to shout....
Psst, ActRaiser and Shining Force.
Also, you made me simultaneously happy that someone else remembers StarTropics and sad that that series hasn't been touched since the NES. :) :(
I'll freely admit, Zelda and point-and-click adventure games played a big part in shaping my ideas of adventure as a child.
Since we are on the subject I have to ask; Why is it so important to save the children? Is it just too depressing to imagine a world where children don't grow up to be TTRPG gamers? Or are your home games being devalued by video gamers?
Time and time again I see posters blaming video games for wrecking their TTRPG experience. I often wonder if I am the only person who screens his players/GMs? I have come to the conclusion that people play TTRPGs for a myriad of reasons and none of them are badwrongfun. Incompatible maybe, but to say someone is lazy or unimaginative is misguided I believe.
For some people a relaxing low investment game is exactly what they are after. Others want a more immersive serious experience. Even more folks want a tactical combat sim that's more like chess. Find your own place on the sliding scale and look for comparability in others beyond just owning the CRB. "But Pan I live in a town of only 5 gamers........." Time to move into the internets age or move out of the sticks son. Stop blaming everyone else for your experience.
Yeah, less fixation more relaxation.
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I'm...out of video games to shout....Psst, ActRaiser and Shining Force.
Also, you made me simultaneously happy that someone else remembers StarTropics and sad that that series hasn't been touched since the NES. :) :(
I'll freely admit, Zelda and point-and-click adventure games played a big part in shaping my ideas of adventure as a child.
*coughOgreBattlecough*
Although, technically, Ogre Battle is a strategy warfare game, it has some HEAVY role-playing elements added in. Every single member of every combat unit is statted out like an adventurer, every unit like a fully-fledged party, and you have to handle level-ups, class progressions, gear, etc for each of a possible 120 individual characters in your army. Also, your alignment plays a HUGE factor, and the decisions you make have DRASTIC outcomes in-game, such as whether or not certain NPC's will side with you, whether the citizens believe you to be a heroic liberator, or just another bloodthirsty tyrant. It has something like 13 different endings depending on decisions you made during the game.
Now that I've typed that, suddenly Ogre Battle seems like the closest thing to actual "role-playing" out of any console RPG I've ever played. Seriously, scratch your nose the wrong way and there is a myriad of consequences and story-arcs that open up.
Agreed on Startropics as well. I remember it being really successful back when it came out, and with all the retro hooplah Nintendo has been cashing in on lately, I'm very surprised this game was never given a nod in something like Smash Bros.
I'm...out of video games to shout....Psst, ActRaiser and Shining Force.
Also, you made me simultaneously happy that someone else remembers StarTropics and sad that that series hasn't been touched since the NES. :) :(
I'll freely admit, Zelda and point-and-click adventure games played a big part in shaping my ideas of adventure as a child.
*coughOgreBattlecough*
Although, technically, Ogre Battle is a strategy warfare game, it has some HEAVY role-playing elements added in. Every single member of every combat unit is statted out like an adventurer, every unit like a fully-fledged party, and you have to handle level-ups, class progressions, gear, etc for each of a possible 120 individual characters in your army. Also, your alignment plays a HUGE factor, and the decisions you make have DRASTIC outcomes in-game, such as whether or not certain NPC's will side with you, whether the citizens believe you to be a heroic liberator, or just another bloodthirsty tyrant. It has something like 13 different endings depending on decisions you made during the game.
Now that I've typed that, suddenly Ogre Battle seems like the closest thing to actual "role-playing" out of any console RPG I've ever played. Seriously, scratch your nose the wrong way and there is a myriad of consequences and story-arcs that open up.
Agreed on Startropics as well. I remember it being really successful back when it came out, and with all the retro hooplah Nintendo has been cashing in on lately, I'm very surprised this game was never given a nod in something like Smash Bros.
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Final Fantasy. My first RPG.Chrono Trigger here.CHRONO TRIGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My wife's second favorite- She is a Secret of Mana fan first and foremost.
SoM was fun. Too bad the later Mana games were kind of meh.
Soundtracks were always AWESOME though, regardless of how good or bad the game was. Yoko Shimomura is a composing genius, right up on par with Uematsu, Mitsuda, and Michiru Yamane.
The music from som literally haunted me. I would start up the game just to wander and enjoy. I need to get the soundtrack one day.
I'm...out of video games to shout....Psst, ActRaiser and Shining Force.
Also, you made me simultaneously happy that someone else remembers StarTropics and sad that that series hasn't been touched since the NES. :) :(
I'll freely admit, Zelda and point-and-click adventure games played a big part in shaping my ideas of adventure as a child.
SHINING FORCE!!!! One of the greatest games ever! I loved the fact it had centaur and primitive guns and my beloved STEAM KNIGHT! ^_^
my wife is an ActRaiser fan, as is one of my darklight sisterhood players.
Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 were my introduction to the idea that "RPG" was not, in fact, the same as "devil worship" (despite what little booklets that were handed out indicated).
It was only a matter of time before I discovered that "D&D" wasn't "devil worship" either, as a direct result.
Some favorite RPGs include Neverwinter Nights (well, Hordes of the Underdark, anyway), Final Fantasy Tactics - thus my name -, Ogre Battle, and Vagrant Story, in addition to CT and FF6. Also, I think Legend of Zelda and it's follow-ups are now defined as "Adventure" games, though originally there was a great deal of debate; anyway, pretty much all of the Zelda series I've played are right up there, but since they're - from what I can tell - self-defined as Adventure titles, I didn't list them; but if you do include them, then technically the NES LoZ was my first introduction to RPGs.
I really enjoyed Secret of Mana, though I think I enjoy Secret of Evermore a bit more (colors were nicer in Mana, though :D).
3.5, I think what you're describing is the entitled sense of youth in general combined with the broader "problem" of Internet Culture, as it's a melting pot of humanity's refuse.
That's not a "gamers" v. "non-gamers"/"video-game" v. "non-video-game" thing: it's a fact of life.
When you're young, you tend to be more selfish, arrogant, and nasty, and - perhaps more importantly - impressionable. As you mature, generally you act more... well, maturely.
The internet, often for "t3h lulz", has adopted an over-all immature, abrasive attitude to show off and self-aggrandize (after all, feeling superior does feel good, yes?), but this influences and stretches across youth (and adults, too) in general.
Those who play video games are more likely to be "gamers" in a broad sense, and thus more likely to engage in other gaming hobbies... such as RPGs. Combining the Internet-style presentation with gaming in general seems to create the appearance that those who play Video Games are worse people than those who do not, but this does not really hold upon close inspection.
It's basically just arrogant people plus internet/online spread-of-ideals plus impressionable youth -> apparent culture of anger/entitlement. You get the same language, attitude, and sense from many sports players: it's a presentation that's created by cultural shift and, as hobbies increase in popularity, more people with those sensibilities cross-pollinate their culture with others, influence them, and create an atmosphere that encourages that. This is distinctly different from "X form of entertainment is creating bad manners."
Now, all that said: in recent experience, spelling, grammar, attitude, and all that jazz has apparently been eroding, and it was highly frustrating dealing with that as an adult. But you know what? Some of those same kids who were so awful just "a few years back" have matured amazingly in that time, and become nice kids. It's an amazing transformation brought about by something called "maturity". Our culture could be in decline. Very easily, in fact. That's a thing that happens in cultures. But it could also just be in shift. Which is another thing that happens in culture. If it is a shift, there are bound to be "growing pains" that occur as a result - I've never had a move from one house to another go off without losing something that I thought was well-protected and secured. This could be the same thing.