Wood Katana


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Can I reskin a quarterstaff into a Wood Katana? Both are basically long wood sticks! If not what could it be?


I found this link that makes me think that I can!

Liberty's Edge

Wouldn't a wooden katana basically just be a well-made club? I don't see any reason to make it a separate weapon.


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Th actual weapon is called a Boken I think...I don't see why not. Though as its not a double weapo. I don't think a quarter staff is the best choice....it's more of a masterwork club.


A proper quarter staff is usually an inch or two taller than its wielder.


A club it is them! Thanks!

Scarab Sages

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I've always allowed Darkwood blades in my campaigns, but in looking the material up I see that it could easily be read to say that it can't be made into blades:

"Darkwood: This rare magic wood is as hard as normal wood but very light. Any wooden or mostly wooden item (such as a bow or spear) made from darkwood is considered a masterwork item and weighs only half as much as a normal wooden item of that type. Items not normally made of wood or only partially of wood (such as a battleaxe or a mace) either cannot be made from darkwood or do not gain any special benefit from being made of darkwood. The armor check penalty of a darkwood shield is lessened by 2 compared to an ordinary shield of its type. To determine the price of a darkwood item, use the original weight but add 10 gp per pound to the price of a masterwork version of that item.

Darkwood has 10 hit points per inch of thickness and hardness 5."

The Exchange

It isn't a blade, it is a blunt practice weapon.


Why not just use katana, change the damage type from Slashing to Bludgeoning, and drop the "deadly" special effect?

I suppose I could see an argument for reducing the critical threat range to just x2, but that's about all the changes I'd make.


Cthulhudrew wrote:

Why not just use katana, change the damage type from Slashing to Bludgeoning, and drop the "deadly" special effect?

I suppose I could see an argument for reducing the critical threat range to just x2, but that's about all the changes I'd make.

Cause the character is a wizard without a weapon feat.


More bokken samples.


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If it is a wizard, call it what ever you want. He is not going to hit anything anyway.


Quote for the wikipedia's bokken article: "Injuries occurring from bokken are very similar to those caused by clubs and similar battering weapons and include compound fractures, ruptured organs, and other such blunt force injuries."


Some more inspiration for you:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WoodenKatanasAreEvenBetter

You might want to read-up on Masamune and the RL story of him and his famous duel.

I'll agree with Cuth, and call it a katana with different properties, since that's how it's properly used. A wizard would call it a club, but he's not going to hit anything with it anyway.


Brang'el Ransin wrote:

If it is a wizard, call it what ever you want. He is not going to hit anything anyway.

I intend to use it with Hand of the Apprentice. But since the character is young I don't want to use a cane or similar "old wizard" look.


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More importantly, can wooden katanas also cut through tanks?


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And are they folded so they contain more than a million layers of wood.


Brang'el Ransin wrote:
And are they folded so they contain more than a million layers of wood.

That was deep!


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"I am finished doing what I swore an oath to Torag 28 years ago to never do again. I've created something that clobbers people. And in that purpose, I was a success. I've done this because, philosophically, I am sympathetic to your aim. I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest practice sword. If on your journey, you should encounter Torag, Torag will be bruised."


But where?

Grand Lodge

A Druid can make Ironwood Katana. They only last a day per level. You can ask your DM for a permanent Ironwood Katana.
Crunch wise, you are not getting any kind of big benefit.
Flavor-wise, it reminds me of Chrono Trigger.


blahpers wrote:
"I am finished doing what I swore an oath to Torag 28 years ago to never do again. I've created something that clobbers people. And in that purpose, I was a success. I've done this because, philosophically, I am sympathetic to your aim. I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest practice sword. If on your journey, you should encounter Torag, Torag will be bruised."

LOL

Grand Lodge

Bottom line...

If you can get your DM to agree with it, no problem.

If your DM is PFS, you're out of luck, because the answer is no in that case.


Just use a portable ram.

Grand Lodge

Hanbo and club are both appropriate to use as stats.

Grand Lodge

Owly wrote:

Some more inspiration for you:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WoodenKatanasAreEvenBetter

You might want to read-up on Masamune and the RL story of him and his famous duel.

I'll agree with Cuth, and call it a katana with different properties, since that's how it's properly used. A wizard would call it a club, but he's not going to hit anything with it anyway.

It was a carved wooden oar... and unlike RPG's there is no hitpoints in real life.


Brang'el Ransin wrote:
And are they folded so they contain more than a million layers of wood.

Wood grows in layers...

No need to fold.


I don't see why you don't have a Trainer Sword, using the stats and properties of a standard Katana, but deals Bludgeoning instead of Slashing.

Of course, that's just houseruling. I am sure there are Trainer Sword(s) with pre-set stats that you can utilize instead. (I think it's not a bad idea to have a superbly magical trainer sword for creatures like skeletons who have DR against piercing and slashing.)

Thank you; I think I might actually have this as an idea to propose to my GM.


Owly wrote:

Some more inspiration for you:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WoodenKatanasAreEvenBetter

You might want to read-up on Masamune and the RL story of him and his famous duel.

I'll agree with Cuth, and call it a katana with different properties, since that's how it's properly used. A wizard would call it a club, but he's not going to hit anything with it anyway.

I think you meant Miyamoto Musashi.

Masamune was Japan's greatest swordsmith.

Musashi was the oarsmith.


I second the wooden club rules for the item. Then add a special comment that if they are proficient with a normal Katana they get to have a larger crit range or something that is a blend of a Katana and a club.


this is a really cool Musashi documentary on Youtube if anybody's interested.


Thank you for the clarification, Spanky. You are correct. I failed my Knowledge Check and had to resort to Bluff.

Helaman, Umbranus. Roll to Sense Humour, please.

Grand Lodge

Damn its a cross class skill and I never put any points it... I flub the roll a lot.

Silver Crusade

Actually Paizo has already given stats to a bokken.

Silver Crusade

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From the Jade Regent AP - Tide of Honor by Tito Leati, very good adventure (great if you love Shogi):
Club damage, but for feats and class abilties it counts as a katana - so 1d6 blunt Crit 20x2 - but with weapon focus on other feats it could be fun. Of course there is that new living wood, and my magus happens to use a katana...^^

Silver Crusade

And btw I happen to own a bokken and a wodden wakazashi .... they are really fun, but I would advise to add something to improve the grip, so they don't fly out of your grasp.


LazarX wrote:

Bottom line...

If you can get your DM to agree with it, no problem.

If your DM is PFS, you're out of luck, because the answer is no in that case.

Why? The PFS pregen wizard have a reskined cane (club)! By the way I am describing it as a wooden katana. But is just a wood stick made pretty!


ah... why not just use Ironwood?


blue_the_wolf wrote:

ah... why not just use Ironwood?

Permanency spell is not allowed on PFS.


Umbranus wrote:
Brang'el Ransin wrote:
And are they folded so they contain more than a million layers of wood.

Wood grows in layers...

No need to fold.

There is always at least one...


Raise your hand if you got the layers of wood joke.

Grand Lodge

artificer wrote:
LazarX wrote:

Bottom line...

If you can get your DM to agree with it, no problem.

If your DM is PFS, you're out of luck, because the answer is no in that case.

Why? The PFS pregen wizard have a reskined cane (club)! By the way I am describing it as a wooden katana. But is just a wood stick made pretty!

The PFS wizard also dates from when Pathfinder was only one book. And a cane is pretty much a club. (note that we're not talking about a sword cane which is what Ezren DOES not have. That's quite a difference between calling a quarterstaff a katana.

In the first case it's not really reskin but using the closes appropriate form.

In the latter case you're trying to reskin one item with stats to another significantly different item with stats which is specificaly not allowed.


LazarX wrote:
artificer wrote:
LazarX wrote:

Bottom line...

If you can get your DM to agree with it, no problem.

If your DM is PFS, you're out of luck, because the answer is no in that case.

Why? The PFS pregen wizard have a reskined cane (club)! By the way I am describing it as a wooden katana. But is just a wood stick made pretty!

The PFS wizard also dates from when Pathfinder was only one book. And a cane is pretty much a club. (note that we're not talking about a sword cane which is what Ezren DOES not have. That's quite a difference between calling a quarterstaff a katana.

In the first case it's not really reskin but using the closes appropriate form.

In the latter case you're trying to reskin one item with stats to another significantly different item with stats which is specificaly not allowed.

If u take a look at the bokken pictures and the wikipedia definition you will find that it dont have a wood blade but istead is a rounded wood stick not so different from the cane Ezren is using. So we are not despite the thread name talking about a "regular sword" but intead something similar to wood a stick (simple club).

Silver Crusade

LazarX wrote:
artificer wrote:
LazarX wrote:

Bottom line...

If you can get your DM to agree with it, no problem.

If your DM is PFS, you're out of luck, because the answer is no in that case.

Why? The PFS pregen wizard have a reskined cane (club)! By the way I am describing it as a wooden katana. But is just a wood stick made pretty!

The PFS wizard also dates from when Pathfinder was only one book. And a cane is pretty much a club. (note that we're not talking about a sword cane which is what Ezren DOES not have. That's quite a difference between calling a quarterstaff a katana.

In the first case it's not really reskin but using the closes appropriate form.

In the latter case you're trying to reskin one item with stats to another significantly different item with stats which is specificaly not allowed.

Cant tell you about PFS but if he uses a club shaped a like a katana the shape is pretty much just flavour. Of course this would mean using the stats of a club. In a home game I would suggest pointing at the adventure and asking if the character can get the same.

Now reskinning a medium sized quaterstaff isn't really an option, but a small sized quaterstaff ... why not.


How about this, wood club, but weapon focus and spec from katana carry over?


Well, first off, are we talking about Bokuto or Bokken?

According to Kotaro Oshima & Kozo Ando in Kendo: Lehrbuch des japanischen Schwertkampfes(it's German, borrowed it from a friend, don't know the English name), a Bokuto is a light wooden sword(doesn't have to be a katana, can be any actual sword, just wood) made for training, while a bokken is a heavier, usually weighted, wooden sword made for strength training and control exercises.

And the way I see it, all damage for wooden swords would count as clubs of equivalent size while weapon proficiency, focus, and most specs would probably match whatever the wooden sword is modeled after.

And if you want your weapon to be an actual wooden katana(as in do slash damage and have the deadly ability) you would have to use the ironwood spell(if you want it permanent, ask your DM if you can use a permanency spell. It doesn't usually work on the ironwood spell, but you might be able to get your DM to make an exception)

And if you really want to go beastly, use a Suburitō. It's even heavier bokken, but the same size.

Grand Lodge

In the end, you have the stats of a club.

Later, add the Transformative enchantment, and have a real deal, wooden Katana.


Assuming using the bokken from the Jade Regent AP "Tide of Honor" that Sebastion Hirsh was kind enough to find, what do ppl think the price ought to be? I tried looking in the AP but couldn't find one. I doubt it should be the same price of a club (0 gp?). Unless it's only ever the price of a masterwork club, 300 gp.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

A Druid can make Ironwood Katana. They only last a day per level. You can ask your DM for a permanent Ironwood Katana.

Crunch wise, you are not getting any kind of big benefit.
Flavor-wise, it reminds me of Chrono Trigger.

Well, the 'you' part is rather true. A wood oracle might like it though, since they get a revelation that lets them hit like a full BAB class.

Anyway, there is a reason why the club has a listed price of 0- it is just about any piece of sturdy, well balanced wood you can find really. That is why there is no practice sword entry. Of course it doesn't work with any piece of wood; a chair leg can hardly be expected to be up to the standards of a melee weapon. But a wooden practice sword? Yeah, looks like it should have balance and not fall apart at any moment.

Grand Lodge

This is kind of an old thread. Is the OP still even interested?

Has it been solved?

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