Character concept: A dumb as a post sorcerer who's being led around by the familiar. His family comes from a long and proud tradition of talented wizards and he.. well isn't.
This (may) be a pfs character so no house ruling or pretty pleasing the DM.
Fabrizio Human Sorcerer (arcane) Raven familiar (since it can talk to him right out of the bat)
STR: 14 DEX: 14 CON: 14 INT: 7 WIS: 7 CHA: 19
Traits: Magical linage (Charm person) Ease of faith (+1 diplomacy, diplomacy is a class skill)
faction: taldor. This is what happens when you let your nobility get this decadent...
Feats: Human---> traded for Eye for talent (+2 to the ravens int)
1st: Bouncing spell
3rd: School Focus: enchantment
.. meh I probably won't get further.
The raven (trying to think of a name)
As I understand it, the raven only has, and will only ever have, 1 feat. But I get to pick it, its not hard wired into the familiar, correct? I was thinking of picking Cosmopolitan to give it some knowledge skills (the sorcerer slept through class. The raven didn't)
Fabrizio Human Sorcerer (arcane) Raven familiar (since it can talk to him right out of the bat)A thrush or parrot are also options.
Feats: Human---> traded for Eye for talent (+2 to the ravens int)
Don't do that; give the bonus to charisma instead. Or strength. Familiars have fixed intelligence, based on their master's level. 6 Int @ level 1, 7 @ 3rd, 8 @ 5th, etc.
Unfortunately, in PFS this means you'll need to be level 5 before the bird actually outsmarts the caster.The raven (trying to think of a name)"Raven"? "Bird Brain"? "Crow"?
As I understand it, the raven only has, and will only ever have, 1 feat.Familiars get Improved Evasion for free. And ravens have Skill Focus (Perception) and Weapon Finesse.
But I get to pick it, its not hard wired into the familiar, correct?Incorrect. You get to pick no feat at all, unless you're a Beast-Bonded Witch (which couldn't work with this concept, being an intelligence-based class).
I was thinking of picking Cosmopolitan to give it some knowledge skills (the sorcerer slept through class. The raven didn't).
You can use the Evolved Familiar feat to give it an evolution. The Skilled evolution gives it +8 to a single skill.
Incorrect. You get to pick no feat at all, unless you're a Beast-Bonded Witch (which couldn't work with this concept, being an intelligence-based class).
can you find a source for this?
. Or strength. Familiars have fixed intelligence, based on their master's level. 6 Int @ level 1, 7 @ 3rd, 8 @ 5th, etc.
It levels but they have a +2 bonus to it. It works.
Fabrizio Human Sorcerer (arcane) Raven familiar (since it can talk to him right out of the bat)A thrush or parrot are also options.Feats: Human---> traded for Eye for talent (+2 to the ravens int)Don't do that; give the bonus to charisma instead. Or strength. Familiars have fixed intelligence, based on their master's level. 6 Int @ level 1, 7 @ 3rd, 8 @ 5th, etc.
This does not mean that they can't get additional bonus to level-based Intelligence. I believe that it is legal option to improve familiar Intelligence beyond the level-based score.
evolved familiar is a good feat, but I don't know if the requirements are 13 int or 13 cha ( as per your casting stat) or both 13 int and 13 cha.
This does not mean that they can't get additional bonus to level-based Intelligence. I believe that it is legal option to improve familiar Intelligence beyond the level-based score.
Umm... just where are you getting the points to improve your Familiar's stats?
Last time I checked, Familiars did not get bonus stat points... since they don't level up.
Combine Huginn (memory) and Muninn (thought) and you get Hugmuninn.
If you turn it into an improved familiar it could actually be an imp or perhaps you can use the stats of celestial hawk or resolute owl for a raven familiar. I find a Nosoi or flavored Cassian most fitting, though an imp trying to tempt a dimwitted sorcerer into doing what he wants can be entertaining.
You could also add the 'skilled' evolution at the expense of one of your feats to give it +8 to one skill.
You could also add the 'skilled' evolution at the expense of one of your feats to give it +8 to one skill.
Does that work with only a 7 int?
This does not mean that they can't get additional bonus to level-based Intelligence. I believe that it is legal option to improve familiar Intelligence beyond the level-based score.Umm... just where are you getting the points to improve your Familiar's stats?
Last time I checked, Familiars did not get bonus stat points... since they don't level up.
Eye for Talent Humans have great intuition for hidden potential. They gain a +2 racial bonus on Sense Motive checks. In addition, when they acquire an animal companion, bonded mount, cohort, or familiar, that creature gains a +2 bonus to one ability score of the character's choice. This racial trait replaces the bonus feat trait.
Evolved Familiar requires both Int 13 and Cha 13.
The skilled evolution is a racial bonus.
evolved familiar is a good feat, but I don't know if the requirements are 13 int or 13 cha ( as per your casting stat) or both 13 int and 13 cha.
It's both, so that won't work.
However, you could instead play a summoner, dump your own character's intelligence, and improve the eidolon's intelligence as often as possible. Since summoner and eidolon have separate skills and feats, you can give them distinct personalities with less problem than sorcerer and familiar.
You get to pick no feat at allcan you find a source for this?
"It retains the appearance, Hit Dice, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, skills, and feats of the normal animal it once was". The creature gains no levels, so there's nothing that adds a feat.
"It retains the appearance, Hit Dice, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, skills, and feats of the normal animal it once was". The creature gains no levels, so there's nothing that adds a feat.You get to pick no feat at allcan you find a source for this?
Drat. So much for my cosmopolitan crow.
And Munin would be perfect... since that's what the birds doing.
Use the basic statistics for a creature of the familiar's kind, but with the following changes.
Hit Dice: For the purpose of effects related to number of Hit Dice, use the master's character level or the familiar's normal HD total, whichever is higher.
Hit Points: The familiar has half the master's total hit points (not including temporary hit points), rounded down, regardless of its actual Hit Dice.
Attacks: Use the master's base attack bonus, as calculated from all his classes. Use the familiar's Dexterity or Strength modifier, whichever is greater, to calculate the familiar's melee attack bonus with natural weapons. Damage equals that of a normal creature of the familiar's kind.
Saving Throws: For each saving throw, use either the familiar's base save bonus (Fortitude +2, Reflex +2, Will +0) or the master's (as calculated from all his classes), whichever is better. The familiar uses its own ability modifiers to saves, and it doesn't share any of the other bonuses that the master might have on saves.
Skills: For each skill in which either the master or the familiar has ranks, use either the normal skill ranks for an animal of that type or the master's skill ranks, whichever is better. In either case, the familiar uses its own ability modifiers. Regardless of a familiar's total skill modifiers, some skills may remain beyond the familiar's ability to use. Familiars treat Acrobatics, Climb, Fly, Perception, Stealth, and Swim as class skills.
* It is awkward to do this with a raven since it has the typical skill selection of an animal of it's kind plus the skills you have ranks in, since it isn't a class skill of the raven it might be hard to have it be significantly better at skills than you are.
It is awkward to do this with a raven since it has the typical skill selection of an animal of it's kind plus the skills you have ranks in, since it isn't a class skill of the raven it might be hard to have it be significantly better at skills than you are.
*pahks the cah in the yahd*
We do this not because it is easy, but because it is hard!
It has twice the sorcerer's wisdom, and a little extra int even at level 1, so the basic concept is there. Having extra class skills would be icing on the cake, but i don't see any way to get it...yet.
It is awkward to do this with a raven since it has the typical skill selection of an animal of it's kind plus the skills you have ranks in, since it isn't a class skill of the raven it might be hard to have it be significantly better at skills than you are.*pahks the cah in the yahd*
We do this not because it is easy, but because it is hard!
It has twice the sorcerer's wisdom, and a little extra int even at level 1, so the basic concept is there. Having extra class skills would be icing on the cake, but i don't see any way to get it...yet.
Gonna chime in 'cos I think the concept is awesome. XD
Headband of vast intelligence:
A headband of vast intelligence has one skill associated with it per +2 bonus it grants. After being worn for 24 hours, the headband grants a number of skill ranks in those skills equal to the wearer's total Hit Dice. These ranks do not stack with the ranks a creature already possesses.
Familiar:
Hit Dice: For the purpose of effects related to number of Hit Dice, use the master's character level or the familiar's normal HD total, whichever is higher.
So...craft a headband for your familiar, and select, say, knowledge arcana, knowledge history and knowledge religion. Your familiar will have YOUR hit die worth of ranks in those skills. Now have your familiar dispense information to the party as required, and have your sorcerer be the only one in the party who does NOT understand the information given. XD
Raven: "So you see, the magical field blocking the passageway is quite dangerous, and we should on no account try to pass through it until we've had time to...wait...where is that idiot master of mine?"
Party: "Well..."
Raven: "He's goine through the magical field, hasn't he?"
Party: "..."
Raven: "Irori-damn-it..."
So...craft a headband for your familiar, and select, say, knowledge arcana, knowledge history and knowledge religion. Your familiar will have YOUR hit die worth of ranks in those skills. Now have your familiar dispense information to the party as required, and have your sorcerer be the only one in the party who does NOT understand the information given. XD
hehehe.. thanks.
Unfortunately PFS won't let critters wear headbands... probably to keep horses from getting profession: politician and ruling the world.
Does PFS allow familiars to use Ioun stones?
Dunno. They were disallowed for animal companions under the idea that the animal companions weren't sentient regardless of their int score.
The beast bonded witch archetype has :
Transfer Feats (Ex)
Whenever the beast-bonded witch is capable of learning a new feat, she may choose to instead have her familiar learn the feat as a bonus feat. The familiar must meet the prerequisites for any feats that it learns this way. If her familiar is lost or dies, the witch can reclaim the feat slots and select new feats for herself, or apply the slots toward her new familiar.
I am not sure if your GM likes houseruling things but I'd easily allow this.
Possibly adapt the archetype completely by replacing eschew materials, and the other bloodline feats. Gaining the abilities at 7, 13 and 19. It is all minor stuff anyway.
A grouping of Ravens is known as an Unkindness. You could work with that.
Picking up an Improved Familiar later is fitting.
Are ravens and crows the same bird? I only ask because a group of crows is called a murder.
Are ravens and crows the same bird? I only ask because a group of crows is called a murder.A grouping of Ravens is known as an Unkindness. You could work with that.
Picking up an Improved Familiar later is fitting.
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Is embedding Ioun stones allowed? You could imbed Ioun stones into your familiar.
"Hey Effan, Crido, come help me out here...hold this bird down while I hammer this rock into his skull!"
"Uh-heh, Uh-heh, Uh-heh, good job dere Stolph, you sure hammered dat in reel gud!"
Is embedding Ioun stones allowed? You could imbed Ioun stones into your familiar."Hey Effan, Crido, come help me out here...hold this bird down while I hammer this rock into his skull!"
"Uh-heh, Uh-heh, Uh-heh, good job dere Stolph, you sure hammered dat in reel gud!"
We've already killed 10, but maybe the 11th time is the charm.
We've already killed 10, but maybe the 11th time is the charm.Is embedding Ioun stones allowed? You could imbed Ioun stones into your familiar."Hey Effan, Crido, come help me out here...hold this bird down while I hammer this rock into his skull!"
"Uh-heh, Uh-heh, Uh-heh, good job dere Stolph, you sure hammered dat in reel gud!"
Well it is called a murder..
Crows vs ravens from ebird.org.Are ravens and crows the same bird? I only ask because a group of crows is called a murder.A grouping of Ravens is known as an Unkindness. You could work with that.
Picking up an Improved Familiar later is fitting.
That's kind of cool. Thank you.
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Character concept: A dumb as a post sorcerer who's being led around by the familiar. His family comes from a long and proud tradition of talented wizards and he.. well isn't.
As someone who loves fun and interesting character concepts I just wanted to pop in real quick to say this is a great one! Good job!
Caster - "Oh no! It's an orc with an axe! What do I do?"
Familiar - "Squawk! Shoot him with a magic missile, dummy!"
Caster - "Hey! That's a great idea" *zot!*
Orc - *dies*
Caster - "Sweet! I did it!"
Familiar - "Great job, human. Now roll him for loose change, and let's get the Squawk out of here before his friends show up!"
Ok ok....this is probably not how it would go, but it's just how the scene played in my head lol
Sounds interesting, except in play the others get to watch you talking to yourself and telling yourself what to do.
Which might be amusing if kept to a minimum for comic relief.
Hmm... Unless someone else is running the familiar. That might be even more wierd.
OOo. thanks for the thrush idea.
I was debating the mechanics vs. really liking the crow, then i saw this
can definitely see the nobility with that on his shoulders.
Ooo.. i should get the bird a bright shiny object masterwork tool : +2 on the bluff check to distract the sorcerer while the grownups are talking.
Or this... Bird practicing its feint combat maneuver
I'm kind of reminded of an anime called Louie the Rune Soldier. It's about a group of three stereotypical DnD roles (thief, fighter, cleric) that is looking to round it's party out with a wizard. When they grab Louie, they instead get a wizard that can benchpress 245 and is better at fist fighting than casting spells.
The Raven could be called Quoth - as in "Quoth the Raven, 'Nevermore'" (with apologies to Pratchett)
This does not mean that they can't get additional bonus to level-based Intelligence. I believe that it is legal option to improve familiar Intelligence beyond the level-based score.Umm... just where are you getting the points to improve your Familiar's stats?
Last time I checked, Familiars did not get bonus stat points... since they don't level up.
I wasn't speaking anything about bonus stat points from increasing level - we are speaking about Eye For Talent human alternate class feature granting +2 bonus to one ability score.