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So, I've been tracking down and downloading all of the nice, long deity articles from the APs.
I've got ones for:
Abadar (#8)
Asmodeus (#29)
Besmara (#55)
Calistria (#17)
Cayden Cailean (#14)
Desna (#2)
Erastil (#32)
Gorum (#35)
Gozreh (#38)
Iomedae (#26)
Irori (#53)
Lamastshu (#5)
Nethys (#41)
Norgorber (#59)
Pharasma (#44)
Rovagug (#23)
Saranrae (#20)
Shelyn (#50)
Urgathoa (#47)
Ydersius (#42)
Zon-Kuthon (#11)
Have I missed any?
Other than Besmara (and I guess Ydersius), it's every third issue (starting with #2). I can't think of any you've missed. Only Torag is left of the core 20.
Only Torag is left of the core 20.
Indeed, and he would have gotten an article by now if his print space hadn't been devoured by the massive "Oceans of Golarion" article in Pathfinder 56.
Or had we remembered to order art for the article... oops!
Hehe, that's a good reason, too. The deities articles have had some great original artwork. It wouldn't feel the same without that.
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Obligatory questioning of if the Minor Deities will receive the same treatment or if print space will be filled by other articles?
Now that we have the 20 major deities covered (or will have them covered once #62 comes out), we will still feature deity articles on minor deities and other divinities. These won't necessarily be in every 2nd and 5th chapter of an AP however. This will allow us to feature deities that fit more closely with the theme of the adventure.
Obligatory questioning of if the Minor Deities will receive the same treatment or if print space will be filled by other articles?Now that we have the 20 major deities covered (or will have them covered once #62 comes out), we will still feature deity articles on minor deities and other divinities. These won't necessarily be in every 2nd and 5th chapter of an AP however. This will allow us to feature deities that fit more closely with the theme of the adventure.
I am very glad to hear this. The deity articles are some of my favorite recurring article types. I would have been very upset if they were to disappear once the big 20 are complete.
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That actually made me laugh. Thanks James :)Or had we remembered to order art for the article... oops!Only Torag is left of the core 20.Indeed, and he would have gotten an article by now if his print space hadn't been devoured by the massive "Oceans of Golarion" article in Pathfinder 56.
No prob! :)
Needless to say, when we realized what had happened a week or so before we were ready to ship the volume to print... there wasn't an awful lot of laughing here at Paizo, though! :-P
Needless to say, when we realized what had happened a week or so before we were ready to ship the volume to print... there wasn't an awful lot of laughing here at Paizo, though! :-P
Not even some nervous tittering?
I am very glad to hear this. The deity articles are some of my favorite recurring article types. I would have been very upset if they were to disappear once the big 20 are complete.
Aww, shucks. *blush*
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I would love to have a book of the AP deity articles with the player companion stuff to flesh them out.
O.O
Pweese?
I know you likely get this request a lot (as you get requests to compile your APs a lot). But I think this one has legs, and would make for a very good seller. In fact, a hardcover of this (say, a companion to the Inner Sea World Guide), would make for a stellar addition to the bookshelves of every fan of Golarion.
There's also always this page from the PathfinderWiki, you know, the PathfinderWiki that's nominated for an ENnie (in case you haven't voted yet) :)
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I was super-disappointed to find out that the Rise of the Runelords anniversary compilation didn't have the articles on Desna and, uh, whoever else (Norgorber?). Since I'm currently a player in the AP, I can't read the adventure, and I bought it for the other stuff, like the diety articles (and the Shoanti articles, etc.).
With some of these diety articles now long out of print, I'd definitely like to see the core 20, at least, gathered together in one book. Sort of a 'Faiths and Pantheons' for Golarion.
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With some of these diety articles now long out of print, I'd definitely like to see the core 20, at least, gathered together in one book. Sort of a 'Faiths and Pantheons' for Golarion.
This is a case where just reprinting the articles would make for a great book all on its own, though some 3.5 to PF conversions and minor tweaks here and there would probably be needed anyway.
But then that's a 120 page book at least, so that ain't happening with the softcover Setting line. Still...
Heck, I'd buy a hardcover filled with those articles. Maybe once some more of the minor deities get their articles?(Brigh plz!)
(also, it was Lamashtu. I remember little Uzuzup. :) )
Obligatory questioning of if the Minor Deities will receive the same treatment or if print space will be filled by other articles?Now that we have the 20 major deities covered (or will have them covered once #62 comes out), we will still feature deity articles on minor deities and other divinities. These won't necessarily be in every 2nd and 5th chapter of an AP however. This will allow us to feature deities that fit more closely with the theme of the adventure.
Besmara, Rovagug, and Ydersius don't exactly seem like "Core 20", so it looks like they've been working on representing the minor ones anyway.
Also, I like the sound of this maybe-sort-of-perhaps "plan".
Or had we remembered to order art for the article... oops!Only Torag is left of the core 20.Indeed, and he would have gotten an article by now if his print space hadn't been devoured by the massive "Oceans of Golarion" article in Pathfinder 56.
Oh, come on. We all know the real reason is that you're still trying to figure out a way to retcon him into a dinosaur-deity from the Dark Tapestry.
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20 main deity articles * 6 pages per article = 120
20 main deity herald bestiary entries * 2 pages per = 40
160 pages of reprint/upgrade + 96 pages of all new content = 256 page book.That plan they "might" have almost writes itself :)
Almost like we sort of had that idea from the start, even. Like we plan ahead. Weird.
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Obligatory questioning of if the Minor Deities will receive the same treatment or if print space will be filled by other articles?Now that we have the 20 major deities covered (or will have them covered once #62 comes out), we will still feature deity articles on minor deities and other divinities. These won't necessarily be in every 2nd and 5th chapter of an AP however. This will allow us to feature deities that fit more closely with the theme of the adventure.Besmara, Rovagug, and Ydersius don't exactly seem like "Core 20", so it looks like they've been working on representing the minor ones anyway.
Also, I like the sound of this maybe-sort-of-perhaps "plan".
Besmara and Ydersius are not Core 20.
Rovagug is.
The list of the "core 20" is the list of 20 deities in the Inner Sea World guide who get half-page entries in the book. It's the same list of 20 deities we put in the Core Rulebook.
Count me in on a hardcover deities book
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Almost like we sort of had that idea from the start, even. Like we plan ahead. Weird.20 main deity articles * 6 pages per article = 120
20 main deity herald bestiary entries * 2 pages per = 40
160 pages of reprint/upgrade + 96 pages of all new content = 256 page book.That plan they "might" have almost writes itself :)
So I guess that makes Deities of the Inner Sea the fourth hardback for 2013. Player-focused + GM-focused + Bestiary + (Wildcard) seems to have been the general rule.
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So I guess that makes Deities of the Inner Sea the fourth hardback for 2013. Player-focused + GM-focused + Bestiary + (Wildcard) seems to have been the general rule.Almost like we sort of had that idea from the start, even. Like we plan ahead. Weird.20 main deity articles * 6 pages per article = 120
20 main deity herald bestiary entries * 2 pages per = 40
160 pages of reprint/upgrade + 96 pages of all new content = 256 page book.That plan they "might" have almost writes itself :)
Not necessarily.
I'm actually really looking forward to a year where we DON'T do a "bonus book" since those tend to push the limits on what we can do and force us to make compromises with schedules and quality control I'm getting tired of making.
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I'm actually really looking forward to a year where we DON'T do a "bonus book" since those tend to push the limits on what we can do and force us to make compromises with schedules and quality control I'm getting tired of making.
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Obligatory questioning of if the Minor Deities will receive the same treatment or if print space will be filled by other articles?Now that we have the 20 major deities covered (or will have them covered once #62 comes out), we will still feature deity articles on minor deities and other divinities. These won't necessarily be in every 2nd and 5th chapter of an AP however. This will allow us to feature deities that fit more closely with the theme of the adventure.Besmara, Rovagug, and Ydersius don't exactly seem like "Core 20", so it looks like they've been working on representing the minor ones anyway.
Also, I like the sound of this maybe-sort-of-perhaps "plan".
Besmara and Ydersius are not Core 20.
Rovagug is.
The list of the "core 20" is the list of 20 deities in the Inner Sea World guide who get half-page entries in the book. It's the same list of 20 deities we put in the Core Rulebook.
Whoops! You are correct, sir! (Obviously.)
Still, I got... two of three...? Eheh. Duh. I honestly don't know what I was thinking with that.
ANYway.
To make more of a question: are you more kind of "planning", I mean, if you were, that is, of course, which I'm not saying you are, but if you were "planning" on something, would it contain, say, the Core 20 plus some (such as the two listed above that aren't in the Core 20), just the Core 20, or Core 20 plus a few minor articles... or something else?
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Of the 'lesser' gods, Milani seems the most represented in play, in my experience. I imagine an article about her clergy would better received than one dedicated to Ghlaunder or Groetus.
But. But. But. I want an article about Groetus! Badly! (But, yeah, Milani would be cool. Also Ghlaunder and Sivanah.)
I'd love an article on Alseta, myself. The goddess of Transitions needs more face time. I mean, she's got two faces. Sort of.
But. But. But. I want an article about Groetus! Badly! (But, yeah, Milani would be cool. Also Ghlaunder and Sivanah.)Of the 'lesser' gods, Milani seems the most represented in play, in my experience. I imagine an article about her clergy would better received than one dedicated to Ghlaunder or Groetus.
If I can beat my own drum, there's a 2-page, utterly unofficial, article on Milani in Wayfinder #3, with a follow-up one about her, equally unofficial, herald in Wayfinder #4.
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I realize that may sound weird, but I truly appreciate quality over quantity. And there is a lot to be said about maintaining a consistent publication schedule.
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I'd love an article on Alseta, myself. The goddess of Transitions needs more face time. I mean, she's got two faces. Sort of.
Alseta, Sivanah, Ketephys, Yuelral and Findeladlara (not gonna look those up, so spelling is 'eh, whatev') are at the top of my list of gods I'd like to know more about.
Alseta's got the whole Janus thing going on. Sivanah seems like Lleira redux (my favorite Realms god, bar none). The elven gods just seem funky. Yuelral, in particular, seems like the 'goddess of ioun stones.'
Groetus, along with some of the other CN gods, seems like a hard fit to explain for a CG cleric, which, technically, would be legal by the 'one-step rule.' Perhaps the article on Groetus will address this. (Perhaps the article on Besmara already has addressed what the CG members of her clergy are like, as well, since that's another one that doesn't seem as intuitive to me.)
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Groetus, along with some of the other CN gods, seems like a hard fit to explain for a CG cleric, which, technically, would be legal by the 'one-step rule.' Perhaps the article on Groetus will address this. (Perhaps the article on Besmara already has addressed what the CG members of her clergy are like, as well, since that's another one that doesn't seem as intuitive to me.)
In my games, I've always treated the "one step rule" for clerics as an exception. The vast majority of clerics are the same alignment as their deity, since that's the whole point of being a cleric. Those who are a step away are the heretics and the weirdos. If I make a one-step-away cleric, I generally try to give that character a lot of extra flavor to explain his/her beliefs and WHY they're not the "right" alignment. If a player wants to do this, I'll require them to come up with a really compelling backstory for WHY I should let their character do this. AKA: for PCs, the player has to be extra creative, extra good at writing, and extra good at roleplaying.
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In my games, I've always treated the "one step rule" for clerics as an exception. The vast majority of clerics are the same alignment as their deity, since that's the whole point of being a cleric. Those who are a step away are the heretics and the weirdos. If I make a one-step-away cleric, I generally try to give that character a lot of extra flavor to explain his/her beliefs and WHY they're not the "right" alignment. If a player wants to do this, I'll require them to come up with a really compelling backstory for WHY I should let their character do this. AKA: for PCs, the player has to be extra creative, extra good at writing, and extra good at roleplaying.
I've always kinda based it on the deity in question. A NG god is more likely to have LG clerics than a LG god is to have NG clerics. And a LN god of justice is more likely to have paladins than a NG god of beauty.
But, yeah, in general, your cleric's alignment should reflect his or her deity's.
All I want to know is when will we be getting a write-up of Groetus?
All I want to know is when will we be getting a write-up of Groetus?
Damnit!!! Now I have to buy Shattered Star 4 when it comes out
Have we gotten a full writeup yet for Zarongel? The the sacred god of dog-killing, fire, and most holy mounted combat seems like he should be one of the Big 20 to me.
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In my games, I've always treated the "one step rule" for clerics as an exception. The vast majority of clerics are the same alignment as their deity, since that's the whole point of being a cleric.
I have to disagree, here. Golarion has an advantage over the real world, in that communing with your deity in order to get clarification on the ground-rules (if you're high enough level) is possible, but most clerics of a deity are going to be focused on some aspect of that deity that "speaks" to them. For example, a cleric of Desna might by particularly focused on Desna's dream aspect. This might have only the loosest bearing on the character's alignment.
In general I picture most clerics being so devoted to their view of their deity that they have trouble relating to the world with a consistent "alignment" and that might make them more prone to simply emulate their deity, I don't think it's the rare exception that will do otherwise.
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We need a new campaign hardcover. Deities would definitely be cool but I also would be happy with Outside the Inner Sea, Dragon Empires World Guide, Darklands World guide (I know this one is a stretch), A big giant campaign book that covers everything not covered in the inner sea world guide - Outer Planes, Deities, dragon empires, Vudra,...EVERYTHING(Heck, through Inner sea in there too)! 1500 page monster Golarion book.