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I'm curious since I've been in a nostalgic mood, do kaiju exist in Golarion or its solar system? Besides the Spawns and Behemoths, I'm just curious of course because I could see all kinds of critters existing in kaiju size that act as a opposite of the Spawns.I could see kaiju on Aucturn or Verces, or from the Black Tapestries as the 'alien' variety.
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Well... you can certainly improvise some with sufficient use of spells that increase a creature's Size. You'd then have to find some way to get the newly enlarged creature near a village and make it angry enough to attack, but this would in theory work if I get your meaning?
Unless you were referring to more benign forms of them, in which case I have no idea. I would think Good-aligned dragons kind of count for that sort of thing. Or perhaps a Colossal Pegasus. That would be sweet.
I'm refering to creatures the size of mothra or zilla but are unique like the Spawns, I was curious if Golarion had Kaiju in any form or shape. I know krakens to some degree if old enough are kaiju sized at some point but I'm just checking if any kaiju could or do exist in Golarion.
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Kaiju do indeed exist in Golarion. At this point, though, I believe they are only mentioned in one place—in the Dragon Empires Gazetteer in the description of the Valashmai Jungle.
We don't have rules for Kaiju yet. In the meantime, spawn of Rovagug and behemoths work fine for those roles.
Thanks JJ that narrows down my search to looking for my copy of it, but your right spawns and behemoth will do for now and I just saw the reference and I cant wait to see that region fleshed out more so my own players might explore it and its godly kaiju. Though it makes me wonder if the race that inhabited the ruins mght have been the source of kaiju or if the Star Titan's Grave is the source similar to the Star Stone or its cast off shards.
Awesome Caedwyr! This give me something to work with and its 'Kaiju of Golarion' segment is quite helpful for ideas and I actually like the hitch hiker on the staratone/other space junk. Also the Degmadu/Dawnfly kaiju is cool and I might attempt to create my own kaiju.
Weren't originally in Bestiary 3 supposed to be a few listings for kaiju?
It was listed as such. Bestiary 4 should maybe have a few listings or maybe JJ, do you guys have any plans for there to be kaiju in the next bestiary? Maybe in a supplement kaiju of Golarion? Or have an adventure path of module that deals with one.
A good idea for an adventure path with kaiju in it would go like this:
Book 1. Group gets together in Absalom and finds out about an ancient prophesy at a local tavern delivered by what seems to be a maddened old hag and believes its total bunk. It deals with a giant reptilian creature with fire and water elemental powers and its gigantic and supposedly its buried on an island south of Absalom.
The group travels to this island because somehow they get tangled up in a plot by some local thugs that are using the island to smuggle magical contraband that is banned from the city due to its vile nature. So the group gets involved and when they arrive on this small, unassuming island about 16 miles south west of Absalom, they find it covered in thick growth and find the hide out and defeat the villains. However it turns out their hideout is carved into the side of a small hill and upon close examination that behind one of the crumbling walls is a massive closed eye. One of the thugs appears and reveals himself to be some sort of cultist and throws some kind of powder to the ground and it starts glowing and the island shudders. The player group has to get to the boat within fifteen minutes or the island erupts and the great kaiju-Lloigorath awakens.
Book 2: The player group gets caught in the massive storm summoned by the power of Lloigorath and their ships capsizes...next they find themselves in Qadira and about a week has past. They find themselves as guests of a local merchant house that claims a great beast has appeared, but headed east. Upon discovery, each player member has a new mark upon their body somewhere and it is the mark of the beast slayer from the prophecy they heard in book one. They all have a chance of being destined to slay this beast. The merchant house finds out and believes this is bad omen and tries to kill them. The group escapes and the authorities are told of this group and their "curse" and are hunted. A few gnoll mercs even join the fray as the group eventually steals a ship, convinces a merchant vessels to take them away, or joins a group of pirates.
Books 3-6 would involve their trip eastward, following the beast taking them to Jalmeray, Vudra, the southern parts of the Dragon Empires and culminating in Minkai in a battle against the kaiju itself.
In our Pathfinder games, we have a dragonborn homebrew(is there a way you guys at Pathfinder could introduce a race of Dragonmen?)paladin that worships Apsu. I even came up with two draconian kaiju servitors for Apsu.
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Weren't originally in Bestiary 3 supposed to be a few listings for kaiju?
It was listed as such. Bestiary 4 should maybe have a few listings or maybe JJ, do you guys have any plans for there to be kaiju in the next bestiary? Maybe in a supplement kaiju of Golarion? Or have an adventure path of module that deals with one.
Bestiary 3 was originally scheduled to have a kaiju template. It got cut for several reasons—the biggest one being my decision that a template was not the right way to go for the monster (for many of the same reasons we don't have a "dire animal" template).
Bestiary 3 was originally scheduled to have a kaiju template. It got cut for several reasons—the biggest one being my decision that a template was not the right way to go for the monster (for many of the same reasons we don't have a "dire animal" template).Weren't originally in Bestiary 3 supposed to be a few listings for kaiju?
It was listed as such. Bestiary 4 should maybe have a few listings or maybe JJ, do you guys have any plans for there to be kaiju in the next bestiary? Maybe in a supplement kaiju of Golarion? Or have an adventure path of module that deals with one.
This was the RIGHT CHOICE! Kaiju are LEGENDARY BEASTS akin to the Spawn of Rovagug. Doing Kaiju like Gojira, Radon, Mosura, and Gidora imply by applying Kaiju templates to them just ISN'T RIGHT! They DESERVE their own UNIQUE stat blocks with their OWN unique abilities.
I honestly don't think they should ever add them into the game of only for the rule "If you stat it they will kill it" and I don't like the idea of mortals going toe to toe with godzilla
I honestly don't think they should ever add them into the game of only for the rule "If you stat it they will kill it" and I don't like the idea of mortals going toe to toe with godzilla
I mean if a 4-ft person can kill a 70-ft monster, I don't see why on the flip side that the same 70-ft monster couldn't possibly hope to stand up to a monster that is more than 300 feet tall. Just because it's a lot bigger doesn't mean it should just be impossible.
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I honestly don't think they should ever add them into the game of only for the rule "If you stat it they will kill it" and I don't like the idea of mortals going toe to toe with Godzilla
In all fairness dude, mythic 20th level adventurers can't really be considered mortals anymore now can they? Their more like flapping DEMIGODS (akin to Hercules and Thor)! So, yeah, mortals can't very well go up against Godzilla but Thor and Hercules sure as hell can!
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I honestly don't think they should ever add them into the game of only for the rule "If you stat it they will kill it" and I don't like the idea of mortals going toe to toe with godzilla
Thing is... kaiju die all the time in those movies. Godzilla's died several times all on his own, in fact.
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In the American Godzilla movie, where Godzilla is in New York, Godzilla dies. Though She does have Whelplings...
IIRC: It actually has a scene with the Twin Towers falling... Talk about Foreshadowing...
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Indeed. Just replace the oxygen destroyer with magic :)
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In the American Godzilla movie, where Godzilla is in New York, Godzilla dies. Though She does have Whelplings...
IIRC: It actually has a scene with the Twin Towers falling... Talk about Foreshadowing...
Not the REAL Godzilla, but still a kaiju.
And I don't belive the Twin Towers fall. In fact, I don't believe Gino (as we Godzilla fans like to call that movie's kaiju–short for "Godzilla In Name Only") actually knocks down ANY buildings. One of the bazillion things that movie does wrong.
But yeah, the real Godzilla's been killed by oxygen destroyers, volcanoes (twice, if I recall correctly), a special torpedo launched from inside his body after he swallowed the sub that fired said torpedo, and his own nuclear core melting down inside him.
And don't get Wes started on how Mothra dies at least once a movie she's in... sometimes more!
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I made stats for Godzilla, actually.
What do you guys think, not to hijack the thread or anything.
XP 1,228,800
N Colossal magical beast
Init -1; Senses Low-light vision, Darkvision 120ft, Scent ; Perception +44
Aura Frightful presence (150 ft., DC 29)
DEFENSE
AC 40, touch -23, flat-footed 34 (-1 dex, +63 natural, -32 size)
hp 640 (32d10+480) Regeneration 40
Fort +37, Ref +18, Will +12
Defensive Abilities DR 25/-, ineffective attacks; resist acid 30, cold 30, fire 30
OFFENSE
Speed 40ft; swim 80ft
Melee Bite +36 (8d8+36), 2 claws +36 (4d8+36), and tailslap +31 (12d8+18)
Space 60.; Reach 60 (120 with tailslap)
STATISTICS
Str 82, Dex 8, Con 40, Int 3, Wis 15, Cha 17
Base Atk +32; CMB +79 ; CMD 87
Feats Awesome blow, Cleave, Crtical Focus, Endurance, Diehard, Greater Cleave, Greater Vital Strike, Heroic Defiance, Heroic Recovery, Improved Bull Rush,
Improved Natural Weapon (tail), Improved Vital Strike, Power attack, Stalwart, Staggering Critical, Vital Strike
Skills Acrobatics -1 (+58 when jumping), Perception +44, Swim +58
Languages Aklo, Common (can't speak)
SQ Powerful Leaper, Overwhelming Size
SPECIAL ABILITIES
Atomic Breath (Su) Once every 1d4 rounds as a standard action, Godzilla can expell a line of radioactive energy, dealing 32d12 points of damage to all creatures struck
(Reflex DC 42 for half) This attack deals half fire and half acid damage. Creatures that fail their saving throw must make another save (Fortitude DC 42) or be stunned
for 1d6 rounds. Creatures that fail their fortitide saves by 10 or more are obliterated outright. The elemental damage from this line deals normal damage against objects
(instead of half), ignores hardness, and deals quadruple its normal damage. In addtion to the damage dealt, this line destroys up to 50-ft square of a structure or object
with hardness of less than 20, which may allow it to continue its course. This line can be changed to deal only fire damage, instead. This line has a range of line of sight.
The save DC is Constitution-based.
Destroyer (Ex) Godzilla's natural weapon attacks are considered magical and adamantine.
Ineffective Attacks (Ex) Godzilla's massive size may render many attacks ineffective against it. Non magical weapon and elemental damage is halved before applying its
damage reduction and elemental resistances.
Overwhelming Size (Ex) While Godzilla's size is colossal, he towers over most monsters of his size category. The benefits and penalties of such a size are already factored in.
Powerful Leaper (Ex) Godzilla uses its Strength to modify Acrobatics checks made to jump, and has a +24 racial bonus on Acrobatics checks made to jump.
Quadruple Damage Against Objects (Ex) Any attack made by Godzilla against an object or structure deals quadruple damage.
Godzilla stands well over 300 feet tall and weights about 60,000 tons.
Mhar
I made stats for Godzilla, actually.
What do you guys think, not to hijack the thread or anything.
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Lack of SR, immunity to ability damage and drain would make the encounter quick and painful for Godzilla.
Lack of SR, immunity to ability damage and drain would make the encounter quick and painful for Godzilla.I made stats for Godzilla, actually.
What do you guys think, not to hijack the thread or anything.
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I figured that his atomic breath and very huge threat range might make up for it to some point. If I had given him many resistances to magic I figured that the CR might be inaccurate.
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Ironically, Godzilla actually started out as a Short Story made by an American Soldier during the Post-WWII occupation of Japan. He traded it as a form of Dowry to a Japanese Man. And then the American made Godzilla Movie (which is closest to the original Version) is considered the Knock-Off.
And yeah rewatching the movie (the Extended Uncut Special Edition)... Yes quite a few buildings fall... Including the Twin Towers with the Empire Stae Building being almost destroyed.
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I honestly don't think they should ever add them into the game of only for the rule "If you stat it they will kill it" and I don't like the idea of mortals going toe to toe with GodzillaIn all fairness dude, mythic 20th level adventurers can't really be considered mortals anymore now can they? Their more like flapping DEMIGODS (akin to Hercules and Thor)! So, yeah, mortals can't very well go up against Godzilla but Thor and Hercules sure as hell can!
Thor isn't a demigod, he's a full-fledged god.
Thor isn't a demigod, he's a full-fledged god.
Depends on whether it is Norse or Viking Myths.
The Vikings had him as a Demi-God. The Norse had him as a Full-God...
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Mythic bardic performance: Summon Kaiju
Ko yai you domo Tobari mo kiru Asa wa hi tama Nemuri kara Samete? hoshi no Watashi no Shisa Hoshi no hama mede matte iru no Shisa chikara tsuyoku Aoi kora yu o koete Hoho no namida Hoite okure Watashi no mune ne Moette iru, moette iru, Shisa! Shisa! Shisa! Kiru ryuu, Shisa!
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Thor isn't a demigod, he's a full-fledged god.Depends on whether it is Norse or Viking Myths.
The Vikings had him as a Demi-God. The Norse had him as a Full-God...
Pretty sure Vikings were just Norse sea raiders, not different cultures...
They were actually 2 subcultures of the Nords.
The Nords were any "Northern" Tribe that came from beyond the Roman Empire's Border. Weirdly, Nord means "One with the Blood made of Ice".
The Norse were the Settlers and stationary of the 2. The Vikings were the Nomadic Tribes. They did cross over but only in certain cases.
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Froghemoth a kaiju?
It'd be fun to run into a Splinter of Amnion (what the Cloverfield monster's cultists call it in the manga) that gets woken up by a deep sea asteroid impact, or deep sea mining operations to acquire ingredients for a tasty Slusho!-like beverage.
Interesting note on Kaijus. Did you know that in French lore the Terrasque had a sweet spot for lovely ladies? That if a young girl approached it in a way that showed she was unafraid, he'd turn into a big kitten and let her scratch him behind the horns and braid flowers in his hair and ride him around and stuff? That said their Terrasque was pretty much a glyptodont (like a prehistoric armadillo-plated beaver). I still really like that idea. Yeah, yeah he's the spawn of Rovagug...it's still a fun image.
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They were actually 2 subcultures of the Nords.
The Nords were any "Northern" Tribe that came from beyond the Roman Empire's Border. Weirdly, Nord means "One with the Blood made of Ice".
The Norse were the Settlers and stationary of the 2. The Vikings were the Nomadic Tribes. They did cross over but only in certain cases.
Where are you getting the distinction between Norse and Vikings? My understanding is that going "viking" was a Norse way of saying "going on an expedition or raiding mission". A man might thus be a "viking" for only a part of his life. Not really 2 cultures.
The Norse where the ones who set up permanent Residences. The vikings were Nomadic and would bounce between the Settlements. Viking actually is a Noun for Traveller.
Apparently, after rereading things, he is a Demigod who has the Status of a God...
Basically, He is a demigod but enjoys having the full power of a God. Which to the Norse means he is in all intents and purposes a God.
Mythic bardic performance: Summon Kaiju
Ko yai you domo Tobari mo kiru Asa wa hi tama Nemuri kara Samete? hoshi no Watashi no Shisa Hoshi no hama mede matte iru no Shisa chikara tsuyoku Aoi kora yu o koete Hoho no namida Hoite okure Watashi no mune ne Moette iru, moette iru, Shisa! Shisa! Shisa! Kiru ryuu, Shisa!
Mosura ya Mosura
Tasukete yo te yobebaToki o koete
Umi o koete
Nami no yo ni yatte kuru
Mamorigami
Mosura ya Mosura
Yasashisasae wasure
Arehateta
Hito no kokoro
Inorinagara utau
Ai no uta
Mythic bardic performance: Summon Kaiju
Ko yai you domo Tobari mo kiru Asa wa hi tama Nemuri kara Samete? hoshi no Watashi no Shisa Hoshi no hama mede matte iru no Shisa chikara tsuyoku Aoi kora yu o koete Hoho no namida Hoite okure Watashi no mune ne Moette iru, moette iru, Shisa! Shisa! Shisa! Kiru ryuu, Shisa!
Mosura ya Mosura
Tasukete yo te yobeba
Toki o koete
Umi o koete
Nami no yo ni yatte kuru
Mamorigami
Mosura ya Mosura
Yasashisasae wasure
Arehateta
Hito no kokoro
Inorinagara utau
Ai no uta
My bard actually wondered if Desna had mothra on her side XD
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In the American Godzilla movie, where Godzilla is in New York, Godzilla dies. Though She does have Whelplings...
Not the REAL Godzilla, but still a kaiju.
BINGO! That WASN'T GODZILLA! That was IGUANASAURUS and Emmerich should feel TERRIBLE for making such a GOD AWFUL mockery of the big G'ster. I mean, COME ON, Godzilla being KILLED by Jet Fighters? Jebus, how stupid can you get?
You do know that Godzilla was killed off in the original Manga. And he didn't have the Atomic Breath or numerous other abilities. He was just a Large Radioactive Lizard. Ironically it was meant to insult the Americans for the Atomic Bombings.
Heck, Godzilla and his related Monsters from the Movies are considered an insult to the Daikaiju Genre.
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You do know that Godzilla was killed off in the original Manga. And he didn't have the Atomic Breath or numerous other abilities. He was just a Large Radioactive Lizard. Ironically it was meant to insult the Americans for the Atomic Bombings.
Heck, Godzilla and his related Monsters from the Movies are considered an insult to the Daikaiju Genre.
There is no "original Manga." The 1954 movie was Godzilla's first appearance, and he did in fact have radioactive superheated vapor breath in it. Yes he was killed, but by a science-fiction superweapon that disintegrated all life in Tokyo Bay by "destroying oxygen," not a mere Stinger missile or two. And it was more of a memorial of the horrors of atomic war in general than an insult to America.
Also, how can the most popular (in Japan) giant monster in the history of the Japanese giant monster film genre be considered an "insult" to it?
The Original Manga was called something else. Godzilla was based on the Kaiju from that Manga. The Kaiju Genre is still a Cult Following Genre as it is less common. Godzilla is only Popular because that is the most commonly seen Kaiju.
Though technically he is only the most popular Daikaiju and that is only because he is the most commonly encountered. The most Popular Kaiju changes. Heck, the current one is a Super Sentai Assistant Character. Think a Kaiju Alpha from Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.
I would like to see a cite or link for this...
For which? The Manga is hard to find. Mainly do to lawsuits. The others are easily found.
The Manga that was supposedly the origin of Gojira
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The Manga that was supposedly the origin of Gojira
Or, you know, any other of the ridiculous claims you make.
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For which? The Manga is hard to find. Mainly do to lawsuits. The others are easily found.
"Cite" doesn't mean to produce a copy. Just show some decently reputable source that also states that Godzilla originated in a manga. Which you won't find, because he originated in the film.