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Father is a Aasimar, mother is a Teifling, what is baby?
First one, baby is an Aasimar. Half-Elf + Human equals an exotic-looking Human (elf-blooded Human). Aasimar are plane-touched Humans so the baby shouldn't be appreciably different from any other good plane-touched. Especially if they are of Azata decent.
Second example... a plot device?
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Well the easy ones have been taken...
I'd actually say, mostly human (assuming the aasimar and tieflings in the above example are of human decent).
the Aasifling above could easily be simulated with being either an aasimar or tiefling, with the eldrich heritage feat from the other branch of the family. Likewise, the aasimelf could be an half elf (or just human!) with alertness (to represent the elven senses) and the eldrich heritage feat (to represent the aasimar). Since both human and half elf have no language restrictions, pick celestial as your starting language.
Traditionally, angelic/demonic pairings produced an angelic child, because it has not yet had a chance to be corrupted.
However, we're not geneticists. As a general rule, if it matters, you should pick one race for the baby regardless of how many races it "inherited". That's its race for rule and game purposes. If you want its other heritages to matter mechanically, take a feat for it. So you could get an aasimar or a half elf, or even an elf (if the elven blood "bred true" in the child). But the child would only get the racial benefits of being one of those races.
If you need to decide what race a child would be, remember that story trumps genetics.
Remember, too, that the aasimar traits don't necessarily manifest every generation -- but that they can reappear down the bloodline -- so there's no real rule here -- the character could be a half-elf, an elfblooded human (taking a racial heritage feat/trait to make it make sense), or another aasimar.
In terms of the tiefling/aasimar child, you have three choices -- either one of the outsider bloodlines wins out, in which case, easy answer (aasimar or tiefling), or they cancel each other out, and give you a human -- who can then have twins, one of each, later, because, as said earlier, bloodlines sometimes just skip a few generations. :)
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Swedish?
And on the Bikini Team.
Even if it's a dude.
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Father is a Aasimar, mother is a Teifling, what is baby?
If you want to be really fun with this, read through the Advanced Race Guide Playtest and create a sub-race for each of these. It wouldn't take long. Here's my attempt at the Aasimelf:
Medium Humanoid (human, elf)(0 RP)
Normal speed (0 RP)
Human Heritage Modifier, +2 to one ability score (0 RP)
Standard Language array, Common and Celestial (1 RP)
Celestial Resistance (2 RP)
Elven Immunities (2 RP)
Low-light Vision (1 RP)
Darkvision (2 RP)
Spell-like abilities: can cast tap inner beauty and light each once per day as a spell-like, caster level equal to character level (1 RP each = 2 RP)
Total: 10 RP
I chose light instead of daylight to show that the Aasimar heritage has been diluted a bit, and I figured tap inner beauty would make sense since they would be inhumanly beautiful from both the elven and aasimar heritages.
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Father is a Aasimar, mother is a Teifling, what is baby?
If you want to be really fun with this, read through the Advanced Race Guide Playtest and create a sub-race for each of these. It wouldn't take long. Here's my attempt at the Aasimelf:
Medium Humanoid (human, elf)(0 RP)
Normal speed (0 RP)
Human Heritage Modifier, +2 to one ability score (0 RP)
Standard Language array, Common and Celestial (1 RP)
Celestial Resistance (2 RP)
Elven Immunities (2 RP)
Low-light Vision (1 RP)
Darkvision (2 RP)
Spell-like abilities: can cast tap inner beauty and light each once per day as a spell-like, caster level equal to character level (1 RP each = 2 RP)
Total: 10 RPI chose light instead of daylight to show that the Aasimar heritage has been diluted a bit, and I figured tap inner beauty would make sense since they would be inhumanly beautiful from both the elven and aasimar heritages.
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Haasimelf of course.
(it's probably funnier if you speak german)
edit: oh, and the other one is human, good and evil cancel each other out.
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There's no hard answer, and the most likely result in either case would be someone who is effectively human. Tilnar's post covers most of the rest of it.
Were I, personally, to play the child of the tiefling and aasimar, I'd be tempted to play a human, but as a crossblooded sorcerer with celestial and infernal bloodlines.
And in fact, dipping into various sorcerer bloodlines if not outright playing them through is a neat way to reflect weird ancestry while playing a standard race (not having to write up any weird hybrids).
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Father is a Aasimar, mother is a Teifling, what is baby?
If you want to be really fun with this, read through the Advanced Race Guide Playtest and create a sub-race for each of these. It wouldn't take long. Here's my attempt at the Aasimelf:
Medium Humanoid (human, elf)(0 RP)
Normal speed (0 RP)
Human Heritage Modifier, +2 to one ability score (0 RP)
Standard Language array, Common and Celestial (1 RP)
Celestial Resistance (2 RP)
Elven Immunities (2 RP)
Low-light Vision (1 RP)
Darkvision (2 RP)
Spell-like abilities: can cast tap inner beauty and light each once per day as a spell-like, caster level equal to character level (1 RP each = 2 RP)
Total: 10 RPI chose light instead of daylight to show that the Aasimar heritage has been diluted a bit, and I figured tap inner beauty would make sense since they would be inhumanly beautiful from both the elven and aasimar heritages.
Glad you like it. If I get time later today I'll come up with a similar thing for the Aasimiling
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I think the answer to this question is "a sorcerer"
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I would use something I remembered from the old FASA Star Trek game they used to describe Spock. Basically, I'm arguing that one set of genes is dominant or mostly dominant and thus the stats for one racial makeup is dominant. In this case I'd go with either Human or Half elf because Assimar traits sometimes skip generations, which is a sign of 'rececive' traits.
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Father is a Aasimar, mother is a Teifling, what is baby?
A Aasimar / Half-elf pairing would, in my opinion, yield a Half-Aasimar (whatever the heck that is.) I've always felt that any Hu-mon DNA (in this example provided by the Half-elf) always trumps the other genetic material that may be present.
Oh yeah, and Cirtose called it too - whatever else, this thing is gonna be hawt.
As for your second pairing, I got nothing. :) lol
Dire wombat.
Also see Punnett square
I always allow characters with mixed heritage to pick one for mechanical purposes. I would allow such a character to be aasimar, half-elf, elf, or human. Regardless of the mechanical selection, the appearance will show a mix of aasimar, human, and elf.
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For the second question what kind of tiefling. It could be an infernal bloodline aasimir or abbysal bloodline.
oh, I like mongrelfolk from race of destiny or what that human-race-book was called in 3.5
They were like goblins, only uglier and weren't killed on sight, but put in a circus freak show instead.
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Father is a Aasimar, mother is a Teifling, what is baby?
Half-Aasimar/Half-Tiefling:
Medium Outsider (native, human) (2 RP)
Normal speed (0 RP)
Human modifier array, +2 to any one ability score (0 RP)
Standard language array, Common and one of the following: Celestial, Abyssal, or Infernal. They can choose any of the following languages as bonuses: Abyssal, Celestial, Draconic, Dwarven, Elven, Sylvan, Infernal. (1 RP)
Combination Celestial/Fiendish resistances: acid 5, cold 5, electricity 5, fire 5 (3 RP)
Adaptability, +1 skill point per level (1 RP)
Spell-like abilities: light, spark, and either charm person or cause fear once per day as spell-like, caster level equal to character level. (3 RP)
Darkvision 60ft. (2 RP)
Total: 12 RP
I figure 12 RP is fine since Aasimar are 13 and Tieflings are 11. I picked Charm person or Cause fear to signify their ability to "bring out" either their celestial background to give them unearthly beauty or their fiendish background to give them a scary visage. I gave them the native outsider type but also the human subtype, so that they qualify for the human modifier array and Adaptability.
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Father is a Aasimar, mother is a Teifling, what is baby?
If you want to be really fun with this, read through the Advanced Race Guide Playtest and create a sub-race for each of these. It wouldn't take long. Here's my attempt at the Aasimelf:
Medium Humanoid (human, elf)(0 RP)
Normal speed (0 RP)
Human Heritage Modifier, +2 to one ability score (0 RP)
Standard Language array, Common and Celestial (1 RP)
Celestial Resistance (2 RP)
Elven Immunities (2 RP)
Low-light Vision (1 RP)
Darkvision (2 RP)
Spell-like abilities: can cast tap inner beauty and light each once per day as a spell-like, caster level equal to character level (1 RP each = 2 RP)
Total: 10 RPI chose light instead of daylight to show that the Aasimar heritage has been diluted a bit, and I figured tap inner beauty would make sense since they would be inhumanly beautiful from both the elven and aasimar heritages.
Also, I forgot that you have to pick bonus languages for the Standard language array. The Aasimar/half-elf could choose from the same bonus languages as an Aasimar, plus any regional language of humans in their home region.
actually a half aasimar is probably the same as a full aasimar as aasimars are the angelic being in their ancestery (but not very close)
so the 1/8 angel is an aasimar, just as the 1/16 angel is.
Thus a half-aasimar (half of 1/8th for example) is the (1/16) Aasimar.
Of course there is just so much watering down you can do.
That would be called a Human. It might have some odd cosmetic features maybe gold hair but game wise it would be identical to a Human.A Aasimar / Half-elf pairing would, in my opinion, yield a Half-Aasimar (whatever the heck that is.)Also
Father is a Aasimar, mother is a Teifling, what is baby?
I remember reading that in probably the 3.5 Elf book about what happens when a half-elf has a child with another half-elf. It is a human, mechanically speaking. Though that baby might grow up with the bloodline trait since their grandparents were full blooded.
In terms of the tiefling/aasimar child, you have three choices -- either one of the outsider bloodlines wins out, in which case, easy answer (aasimar or tiefling), or they cancel each other out, and give you a human -- who can then have twins, one of each, later, because, as said earlier, bloodlines sometimes just skip a few generations. :)
I love this concept...
1st: Impossible. Half-Elves are sterile in my opinion.
2nd: You have to roll the genetic dice here. 25% Tiefling, 25% Aasimar, or 50% Normal Human
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1st: Impossible. Half-Elves are sterile in my opinion.
2nd: You have to roll the genetic dice here. 25% Tiefling, 25% Aasimar, or 50% Normal Human
But why? now that we have the Advanced Race Guide rules, there's no reason to be so strict about it. You can make any type of racial combination you want as long as the power level is reasonable. I mean, I suppose until the Advanced Race Guide is officially published, you can still take that stance, but I think you may as well take advantage of the new rules and make the game that much more interesting!
But why? now that we have the Advanced Race Guide rules, there's no reason to be so strict about it. You can make any type of racial combination you want as long as the power level is reasonable. I mean, I suppose until the Advanced Race Guide is officially published, you can still take that stance, but I think you may as well take advantage of the new rules and make the game that much more interesting!1st: Impossible. Half-Elves are sterile in my opinion.
2nd: You have to roll the genetic dice here. 25% Tiefling, 25% Aasimar, or 50% Normal Human
Because the conversation is loosly based on real world genetics.
Also see Punnett Square.
Edit: Fixed auto correct fail.
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Anything you want.
Why do all always read that in a thick Vietnamese accent, thinking of go-go boots... Why?
A Human with the Racial Heritage(Elf) feat and a level of Celestial Sorcerer.
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But why? now that we have the Advanced Race Guide rules, there's no reason to be so strict about it. You can make any type of racial combination you want as long as the power level is reasonable. I mean, I suppose until the Advanced Race Guide is officially published, you can still take that stance, but I think you may as well take advantage of the new rules and make the game that much more interesting!1st: Impossible. Half-Elves are sterile in my opinion.
2nd: You have to roll the genetic dice here. 25% Tiefling, 25% Aasimar, or 50% Normal Human
Because the conversation is loosly based on real work genetics.
Also see Punnett Square.
You shouldn't try to argue real-world genetics with a Genetics graduate student. Here we go:
The punnett square argument would only work for recessive genes, first of all. So, if you have a Tiefling and an Aasimar and you assume there's some type of gene that makes one a Tiefling and one an Aasimar, and you assume they're both recessive, then you'd end up with a normal human.
However, there is no reason to assume these traits would be recessive. In fact, I would argue that both the "tiefling gene" and the "aasimar gene" are dominant, since it states in both descriptions that they are humans with "a significant amount of (celestial or other good outsider OR demonic, devilish, or other evil outsider) blood in their ancestry" This means that the celestial or fiendish blood has already been diluted over several generations and they still gain some traits from that heritage. I would argue that this suggests dominant inheritance of the traits.
Moreover, there's no reason to think that it's just a single gene that could cause Aasimar or Tiefling traits. An outsider would have MANY genes that are vastly different than humans, and the only reason they would be able to reproduce together is magic. It's like a half-dragon... obviously a dragon would have almost no similarity genetically to a human, since one is reptillian and basically made of magic, and the other is primate-based and non-magical by default. However, they can make a half-dragon thanks to the magical properties of the dragon's genes, allowing a complete reshaping of the human genetic code to make it compatible with the dragon's, or vice-versa depending on your viewpoint.
So, if we were to think of it as a multi-gene, complex mode of inheritance, there's absolutely no reason that a half-Aasimar half-Tiefling couldn't gain some of the abilities of both parents, some of them weaker than the parents, some of them even synergizing to be stronger than either parent (the immunities that I suggested, for example).
I'm actually going to be dealing with the same issue in my game, only it is a Nixie and a Half-Orc (don't ask...). I think for you, making it a half-elf with the proper outsider bloodline would be the best idea. Rebuilding the race with the Advanced Race Guide is also good, but I'd personally wait until the book comes out since it is still in beta.
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I'm actually going to be dealing with the same issue in my game, only it is a Nixie and a Half-Orc (don't ask...). I think for you, making it a half-elf with the proper outsider bloodline would be the best idea. Rebuilding the race with the Advanced Race Guide is also good, but I'd personally wait until the book comes out since it is still in beta.
^See this? That's called a reasonable argument. As opposed to "Also, see Punnett Square." Thank you, Odraude.
I make it a general rule (occasional exceptions, as always) that all mixed race children tend towards the mother's race, so that a male dwarf and a female elf would make an elf baby with dwarfish tendencies. A male aasimar and a female tiefling would make a tiefling baby with celestial tendencies.
I make it a general rule (occasional exceptions, as always) that all mixed race children tend towards the mother's race, so that a male dwarf and a female elf would make an elf baby with dwarfish tendencies. A male aasimar and a female tiefling would make a tiefling baby with celestial tendencies.
I've seen this somewhere... Pokemon
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Wouldn't that be a "half Aas'd Elf"
I make it a general rule (occasional exceptions, as always) that all mixed race children tend towards the mother's race, so that a male dwarf and a female elf would make an elf baby with dwarfish tendencies. A male aasimar and a female tiefling would make a tiefling baby with celestial tendencies.I've seen this somewhere... Pokemon
Well, I'm no genetics expert, but it makes sense to me, that the egg donor's genetic make-up would have a greater impact than the sperm. Of course the whole world is founded on magic and strange stuff, so take yours how you like; I was just offering up my method of handling it.
Genetics can go wonky sometimes. Perhaps a random genetic anomaly makes them a celestial tarassque.
Well, I'm no genetics expert, but it makes sense to me, that the egg donor's genetic make-up would have a greater impact than the sperm. Of course the whole world is founded on magic and strange stuff, so take yours how you like; I was just offering up my method of handling it.I make it a general rule (occasional exceptions, as always) that all mixed race children tend towards the mother's race, so that a male dwarf and a female elf would make an elf baby with dwarfish tendencies. A male aasimar and a female tiefling would make a tiefling baby with celestial tendencies.I've seen this somewhere... Pokemon
If that were true, everyone would look just like their mother. It's a 50-50 donation with dominant, recessive, co-dominant, etc. things going on.
Yes, it's a magic world, but it doesn't make sense that "egg trumps sperm", it is a convenient convention, though.
father is an aasmiar, mother is a half elf.
as previously said aasimars dont pop up every generation
as also memtioned neither do half elves.offspring top three chances would be:
half elf
human
aasimar.
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Many people have said "half-elf" is a possibility. How can this be? At best the child of a human and half-elf would be a elf-blooded human, or a human with a neat eye color. The only way that I could see a half-elf showing up in a non-hybrid or non-true breeding (human and elf or half-elf and half-elf) would be if the parents each had an elven grandparent then there would be a 1-in-4 chance of a child that is indistinguishable from a half-elf.
This might just be semantics, however, as my half-elf relations with elven and human societies was informed by 2nd edition where an elf with ANY amount of human is a half-elf while humans accept trace amounts of elf in someone who is considered fully human. If people consider any amount of elven ancestry to equal a half-elf, then that's where the communication is breaking down.
If that were true, everyone would look just like their mother. It's a 50-50 donation with dominant, recessive, co-dominant, etc. things going on.Yes, it's a magic world, but it doesn't make sense that "egg trumps sperm", it is a convenient convention, though.
I am aware of the 50/50 donation, but that's only when a species is mating with the same species. When you step outside of your species and into another (preferably within the same genus at the very least) then things get a little stranger. Ligers and tigons are two different beasts, but come from the same two animals. A hinny is a female mule, that (unlike the male counterpart) has been known to be fertile, though rarely.
I choose to say the female chromosomes matter more not based on any scientific information, but because 1) the egg is larger, A LOT larger, and 2) the mother carries the fetus around inside of her for however long it takes to give birth, and something tells me that would have a profound impact on the development of the new life.
Again, not the most scientific argument that could be made, but it makes as much sense to me as a half-dragon existing at all.
It's not that the female chromosomes matter more, it's how the chromosomes are matched to the XY genes. In the case of Ligers and Tigons - it's that the size-inhibitor genes are either absent (tigon) or given a double-dose (liger) hence the disparity. But it's not who the mother is any more than who the father is, but how they interact.
Same thing with mules and hinnies.
Yes, carrying of the fetus has a profound impact on the development of the new life (if the fetus is too large, it won't develop, for example), but once conception occurs there is no more exchange of genetic material. Any changes to the fetus would be physical only.
It's true that coat-color in cats is highly mutable (Copy Cat doesn't look like her clone donor at all) but the color of hair is very inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
OK - yes the egg is larger, but it doesn't carry more genetic material. Size has nothing to do with it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that your assumptions about genetics are incorrect and it's your game, so do what you want, but I'm simply trying to explain to you what I know of genetics, not argue hybridization in your games.
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If that were true, everyone would look just like their mother. It's a 50-50 donation with dominant, recessive, co-dominant, etc. things going on.Yes, it's a magic world, but it doesn't make sense that "egg trumps sperm", it is a convenient convention, though.
I am aware of the 50/50 donation, but that's only when a species is mating with the same species. When you step outside of your species and into another (preferably within the same genus at the very least) then things get a little stranger. Ligers and tigons are two different beasts, but come from the same two animals. A hinny is a female mule, that (unlike the male counterpart) has been known to be fertile, though rarely.
I choose to say the female chromosomes matter more not based on any scientific information, but because 1) the egg is larger, A LOT larger, and 2) the mother carries the fetus around inside of her for however long it takes to give birth, and something tells me that would have a profound impact on the development of the new life.
Again, not the most scientific argument that could be made, but it makes as much sense to me as a half-dragon existing at all.
You're actually totally right about the mother's species having a more direct affect on the offspring when you're dealing with two different species, but it has nothing to do with the egg being bigger or anything. It has to do with epigenetic inheritance, where some genes are silenced or expressed preferentially from one parent over the other based on the parent of origin of the gene. So, in the liger vs. tigon case, if the mother is a tiger and the father is a lion, you get one set of genes being expressed, and when the mother is a lion and the father is a tiger, you get a different set of genes being expressed, based on gene silencing through DNA methylation and other epigenetic factors.
So, in reality, your argument is very sound, and if you chose to run your game that way I would have no argument against it from a genetics point of view.
@Chuck Wright - He actually has a legitimate system in place, though not for the reasons he explained. I would say there is precedent for favoring the mother's traits in a cross-species offspring, based on what I've just explained.
So, you're both right!