Monk Ki flurry extra attack stacking with haste extra attack?


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Just curious because i cant really find any official word about it:

Does extra attack a monk can get while flurrying and spending one Ki point
stack with the extra attack you can get while under haste effect (from spell or boots of speed), i.e. you gain two extra attacks, one from ki and one from haste ?


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In my group the extra attack from haste stacks with the one from flurry of blows but not the extra attack from spending the ki point. I believe our reasoning was that the FoB extra attack was a non-magical extra attack that came from the monk changing his attack style, whereas the extra attack from the ki point was supernatural in nature and thus didn't stack with the one gained from a haste spell or an amulet of mighty fists with the 'speed' enhancement.

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FoB, Ki and Haste stack. Reason: Nothing implies they don't, and haste-type non-stacking attacks are explicit about it.


Yes they stack the previous poster has a DM that has a house rule.


Kruggh wrote:

Just curious because i cant really find any official word about it:

Does extra attack a monk can get while flurrying and spending one Ki point
stack with the extra attack you can get while under haste effet

I do not see why it would not.


Other reason: "Dude plays a monk, let him have his 6 attacks".


Another reason: Haste gives you an extra attack on a full-attack, non-stacking with similar effects. You do not have to take an action to do this, it just happens. The ki attack is actually a swift action that the monk has to take, and he can only use it while flurrying.

Conclusion: One is a free extra attack, the other is an attack resolved as a swift action. Different enough to stack under haste rules.


One more thing (reason): The extra ki attack has a resource cost.

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Sorry to rehash this if its official, but I have been looking for an 'official' ruling on this. Half my party says it will stack cause they are different effects, but the other half say it won't stack cause Ki point is magical and so is haste...? Any one have a link or offical answer?


The official answer is in the rules. The Haste attack doesn't say it doesn't stack with anything other than other haste-type effects such as other haste spells and weapons of speed. The additional attack from use of ki doesn't say that there is anything it doesn't stack with. Saying they don't stack is making s#!t up without any kind of basis other than "I think it should be this way".

Also, as noted above, monks are one of the hardest classes to actually make effective in combat. Haste and an additional attack from Ki barely make them as effective as a fighter who has spent no resources on optimization whatsoever.

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Never mind, the FAQ clarified it in April 2013, I missed that.

Sczarni

Kruggh wrote:

Just curious because i cant really find any official word about it:

Does extra attack a monk can get while flurrying and spending one Ki point
stack with the extra attack you can get while under haste effect (from spell or boots of speed), i.e. you gain two extra attacks, one from ki and one from haste ?

They stack. There is nothing against it and there are plenty of other threads with a Dev answering "Yes".

Your answer, is they certainly stack.

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