Will Paizo be getting these? These would probably be the only WotC books I would buy through them.
Secondly, if you live in Austrailia and you're interested in a set, I'll see what I can do to pick one up for you. We'll either figure out postage, or else I'll grab Wes when he comes up north to visit during Origins this year, and we'll give him an extra suitcase to carry back with him.Hi Chris - this would be greatly appreciated. Apparently there is some chance of an Australian distributor down here being able to get some (Mil Sims for those Australians who are interested) as they've had some way of sourcing similar such offers in the past, apparently.
Nonetheless, if nothing eventuates, I for one would like to take you up on this when the time comes. Cheers.
I assume that the "North American Distribution" just means they sell it to distributors. Whether or not those distributors have ways of selling things overseas depends on the distributor. I'm sure enough of them have ways that it will make it to far corners of the world market.
First off, this is unalloyed goodness. I have grown irritated today by the number of people on Facebook and other arenas who've said "Yeah, it's great but that doesn't change the fact that 4th Edition sucks." or "Yeah, it's okay, but Wizards has a way to go before I'll lift the curse I placed on their headquarters." or "Yeah, it's nice and all, but it's only a cheap marketing gimmick."
Yeah - it gets my blood boiling to see posts like 'Well it's nice they are giving money to the fund but...how MUCH money are they giving?'
I used to say some gamers, if offered free money and ice cream, would, in all seriousness, ask how much money and what kind of ice cream. The self-entitlement is mind boggling in some people.
First off, this is unalloyed goodness. I have grown irritated today by the number of people on Facebook and other arenas who've said "Yeah, it's great but that doesn't change the fact that 4th Edition sucks." or "Yeah, it's okay, but Wizards has a way to go before I'll lift the curse I placed on their headquarters." or "Yeah, it's nice and all, but it's only a cheap marketing gimmick."
Yeah - it gets my blood boiling to see posts like 'Well it's nice they are giving money to the fund but...how MUCH money are they giving?'
I used to say some gamers, if offered free money and ice cream, would, in all seriousness, ask how much money and what kind of ice cream. The self-entitlement is mind boggling in some people.
Yeah, because wanting to know how much of your money is going toward the charity or project is self-entitlement. Right, got it.
For me it would be the same if it were WOTC or the Dr. Marting Luther King monument. It's MY money and if I'm giving it to a cause I have the right to know hhow much of that money is going toward the cause that they say it's going toward. Anything else is crap no matter who likes it or not.
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This forum works in mysterious ways. I found out another poster, Urizen, lives just down the street from me.Small world. I'm in Adelaide too.Can't see these making it down here to Adelaide, somehow.
More's the pity.
Reggie.
Keep your blinds drawn at all times.
Yeah, because wanting to know how much of your money is going toward the charity or project is self-entitlement. Right, got it.First off, this is unalloyed goodness. I have grown irritated today by the number of people on Facebook and other arenas who've said "Yeah, it's great but that doesn't change the fact that 4th Edition sucks." or "Yeah, it's okay, but Wizards has a way to go before I'll lift the curse I placed on their headquarters." or "Yeah, it's nice and all, but it's only a cheap marketing gimmick."
Yeah - it gets my blood boiling to see posts like 'Well it's nice they are giving money to the fund but...how MUCH money are they giving?'
I used to say some gamers, if offered free money and ice cream, would, in all seriousness, ask how much money and what kind of ice cream. The self-entitlement is mind boggling in some people.
I have to admit, I'd like to know this as well. $34.95 for a book that's barely 120 pages long is a bit much, in my opinion - but I'd gladly buy it if I knew that, say, 20% or more of the cover price was going to the Memorial Fund. But if it's just pennies per sale being contributed, then that feels a bit disingenuous, not to mention overpriced for the value when I can download OSRIC for free.
Yeah, because wanting to know how much of your money is going toward the charity or project is self-entitlement. Right, got it.
Glad you were able to understand my point so well
For me it would be the same if it were WOTC or the Dr. Marting Luther King monument. It's MY money and if I'm giving it to a cause I have the right to know hhow much of that money is going toward the cause that they say it's going toward. Anything else is crap no matter who likes it or not.
Look! You even proved it!
If you want to actually donate to a charity I would suggest doing that. Then 100% of the money you donate goes to that charity.
If you want to buy some reprints of books that haven't been in print since before Clinton was in office I would suggest buying these.
The price of them is actually directly inline with what the original DMG, PHB & MM cost in the late 70's once you factor in inflation. But I realize it is coming from WotC and they are Big Evil to some so whatever.
. But if it's just pennies per sale being contributed, then that feels a bit disingenuous, not to mention overpriced for the value when I can download OSRIC for free.
I think the perceived value is nostalgic. It's not about buying a set of rules, it's about buying those books you had thirty years ago that gave you so much pleasure as a kid. (that's my take anyhow).
Perhaps, if you're thinking of overpaying for these on the grounds that you want to donate to the memorial, you'd be better off downloading OSRIC and donating directly.
You can probably find these on ebay for cheaper (although it's hard to find them in mint condition.) So if you really want, do that and give the difference to the charity. Or buy Swords and Wizardry and do the same.
On the other hand, if this sells well, it might let Wizards know there is a market for premium editions of classic products.
The price of them is actually directly inline with what the original DMG, PHB & MM cost in the late 70's once you factor in inflation. But I realize it is coming from WotC and they are Big Evil to some so whatever.
Actually from what I understand the prices may be lowballed compared to what they cost factoring inflation. But the actual price wasn't a concern for me. The concern was if someone, I don't care who it is, touts a charity item people have the right to at least ask how much of the price is going to charity without being passive aggressively attacked by fanboys.
Has nothing to do with WOTC being a "big evil". Nice assumption by the way. Dead fricking wrong, but nice assumption nonetheless.
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I'd like to see something similar with 2E, although that's fairly unlikely.
My dream set of 2E books would include:
Player's Handbook (based on the revised edition)
Player's Options (compilation of the Player's Options books)
Dungeon Master's Guide (based on revised edition, plus the High-Level Campaign info)
Monster Manual
Monstrous Compendium: Complete (PDF only, compilation of ALL the MC volumes and annuals)
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IIRC, wasn't White Wolf going to do a 'one and done' V20? And it was the reply that got us W20 (and presumably M20)?
Enough of a reply might get more AD&D limited runs.
Heck I'm hoping they're as tough as the original books. I miss my random dungeon generator and random harlot table ;-)
It's first edition AD&D not first edition D&D.
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I'd like to see something similar with 2E, although that's fairly unlikely.
My dream set of 2E books would include:
Player's Handbook (based on the revised edition)
Player's Options (compilation of the Player's Options books)
Dungeon Master's Guide (based on revised edition, plus the High-Level Campaign info)
Monster Manual
Monstrous Compendium: Complete (PDF only, compilation of ALL the MC volumes and annuals)
The only thing I'd like to see with 2e is a really big bonfire...
;-)
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True - back when an RPG was meant to be a fun game rather than course in mathematics...
And optimization meant giving the big sword to the fighter, and using decent tactics, instead of over-analyzing everything to death to squeeze out another one-hundredth of a point of DPR in your build.
Even though I have both cover versions of the 1E rulebooks, I will be picking these up for sure. Not only to get some nice new copies of my 1E books but also to support the Gygax Memorial Fund.
I am wondering if they are just the final old printing of each book with a new cover or if they have gone through and done any additional errata or typo fixing? I am getting a set regardless, but it would still be nice to know.
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Um, the last thing I'd want is the current crop at WotC "fixing" anything that Gygax wrote.
If there's any "errata" in these books, I'm definitely not buying...
Definately. Typos ok, 'rules clarifications' um... no. I want it for nostalgia.
Aside, reprint the rules Cyclopedia, please ;-)
My requests would be that the books do NOT include any sort of corrections or errata (which I'm quite confident they won't) and that they be printed on the exact same type of paper and be bound the exact same way... since my existing 1e PHB, DMG, and MM are currently in better condition than my 1st printing Pathfinder Core Rulebook.. and my 1e books saw years of heavy usage prior to the advent of the internet whereas my Pathfinder book has only been lugged about in my laptop bag to sessions and conventions a few times.
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Well, find the binder who made the books pre-Unearthed Arcana. From that point on the books sucked, frankly.
This. I think they used some sort of alien binding technique that can survive light-speed and coke spills with ease.
Also I second a reprint (this time errata ok - if the original NOT some new kids take on what needs errata) of the D&D Cyclopedia.
Again, more excited by the fact that 1e may rise from the ashes and bring balance to the force, er, I mean get people thinking with their brain rather than their dice again.
DM: "You walk into a room"
d20 Player: "What die do I roll to search?"
DM:"Dice? What are you looking for?"
d20 Player: "I'm looking for what die to roll!"
DM: "Two orcs jump out from under the bed and stab you to death..."
Yes I'm taking the mickey. Still it amuses me and I guess that's what counts :)
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Um, the last thing I'd want is the current crop at WotC "fixing" anything that Gygax wrote.
If there's any "errata" in these books, I'm definitely not buying...
Definately. Typos ok, 'rules clarifications' um... no. I want it for nostalgia.
Aside, reprint the rules Cyclopedia, please ;-)
Anything that's a flat-out mistake should be fixed, IMO. I don't know 1E well enough to cite a specific example, but in the 2E core books there was a really bad error on the priest bonus spells chart. Stuff like that should definitely be fixed.
Otherwise, let Gary's words remain his own. =]
Oh, and +1 for an RC reprint. Or just the Basic and Expert boxes!
I agree with Jerry.. they will almost assuredly NOT be expending any actual R&D effort into correcting mistakes. At BEST this will be a simple reprint of a decent quality PDF they have left over.
Again, more excited by the fact that 1e may rise from the ashes and bring balance to the force, er, I mean get people thinking with their brain rather than their dice again.DM: "You walk into a room"
d20 Player: "What die do I roll to search?"DM:"Dice? What are you looking for?"
d20 Player: "I'm looking for what die to roll!"DM: "Two orcs jump out from under the bed and stab you to death..."
Yes I'm taking the mickey. Still it amuses me and I guess that's what counts :)
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God, I hated that. My older-edition DMs used to make us tell them exactly what we were searching for. One of them rolled the dice right in front of us. "Swords?" *roll2d10* "No." "Bows?" *roll2d10* "No." "Arrows?" *roll2d10* "No." "Armor?" *roll2d10*
That was bad enough. The other one did the same rigmarole every time we entered a room. "We search the room." "What are you looking for?" "Weapons?" "No." "Armor?" "No." "Rings?" "No." "Wands?" "No." "Boots?" "No." "Cloaks?" "No," snickering all the time. After our PCs have left the room and traveled another 8 hours and are resting for the night, he bursts out in guffaws. "There was a figurine of wonderous power right out in the open in the middle of the table! Only no one thought to ask about figurines!" Hated. That.
God, I hated that. My older-edition DMs used to make us tell them exactly what we were searching for. One of them rolled the dice right in front of us. "Swords?" *roll2d10* "No." "Bows?" *roll2d10* "No." "Arrows?" *roll2d10* "No." "Armor?" *roll2d10*
That was bad enough. The other one did the same rigmarole every time we entered a room. "We search the room." "What are you looking for?" "Weapons?" "No." "Armor?" "No." "Rings?" "No." "Wands?" "No." "Boots?" "No." "Cloaks?" "No," snickering all the time. After our PCs have left the room and traveled another 8 hours and are resting for the night, he bursts out in guffaws. "There was a figurine of wonderous power right out in the open in the middle of the table! Only no one thought to ask about figurines!" Hated. That.
That must have sucked. Congratulations on getting past such a power-tripper and sticking with the game.
I've always mainly played the AD&D 2nd edition, so it will be very interesting to read these and possibly get a group together to honor the Gygax tradition of his vision of the game. It's also great to contribute to a statue for the father of tabletop RPG games. Roleplaying is a great hobby, and I'm glad to see people of new generations interested in the game.
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I've always mainly played the AD&D 2nd edition, so it will be very interesting to read these and possibly get a group together to honor the Gygax tradition of his vision of the game. It's also great to contribute to a statue for the father of tabletop RPG games. Roleplaying is a great hobby, and I'm glad to see people of new generations interested in the game.
Veery much agreed and seconded on all the above. My hope is that of the 1E books do well enough they will do the same for 2E. It brought me into the hobby even if some of the rules in the game rub me the wrong way. You can't just cover a weapon in silver. Why not because you can't you have to lug second one around for undead just in case. Still I had a blast with it.
Glad to hear memorax!
Good point Raven! The artwork from the AD&D era was brilliant, and they should use it again!
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The very idea that anyone would even consider the possibility of 'group initiative' makes my head spin. If I'm playing a Dex 19 elf, I fail to see why I should go last in the round, simply because I chose to befriend Fatty McPieFace(Dex 3), prior to travelling into the dungeon.
Or, conversely, why Fatty and his friends should ignore their rotundness and lack of agility, due to having made friends with me.
Initiative is fairly straightforward:
Dude, you had to edit that explanation twice. That's NOT "fairly straightforward!"
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Sorry man, I was like 11 at the time, and my brain still hurts. /wink
I think the reason people had trouble with it is because Gygax had a tendency to forget that most of his readers didn't have college degrees. And the entirety of the explanation is sort of spread out in the rules.
I agree.
When I go back and look at the AD&D PHB and DMG the rules are actually much more coherent than I claim in my poor-lil-HD rants on these boards. It really is important to keep in mind that D&D was designed with college students rather than younger kids (me) in mind.
My question about the reprints is, which printing? Sure the game has expanded its audience to include the younger set, but tween, shmeen, I want my random harlot table!