That is less than a second to take the arrow, to put it in the bow, to pintpoint the target and to shot. and a level 20 figther can do it.
So, how fast his hands have to move?
And let suppose his targets are spread out, let say 6 targets in 360 arc degree, how fast he have to rotate to do that?
and let he provoke atacks of opportunity, and all hit, how is that the attacks do not interrupt the shooting?
And let suppose his attackers also provoke, and the archer have, snap shot, impproved snap shot and combat reflexes, so he can strike back at all of they, that will be 7 arrows from regular attacks, and 6 arrows form attacks of opportunity, and all in 6 seconds!!
how can it be?
I think the usual responses to these kinds of queries involve lightning bolts underwater...
It's a game mechanic. They won't always be reasonable.
Magic is magic, my questions only involve mundane things
I think the usual responses to these kinds of queries involve lightning bolts underwater...It's a game mechanic. They won't always be reasonable.
There's really not much mundane about 20th level fighters, but the lbolt is just an example. Seriously. How about a bleed over from the "can you charge over readied spiked growth" thread? It is impossible in pathfinder for a group to charge in unison. How can this be?!?!
Game mechanic. Not always reasonable.
Edit: Or if you need more, that 20th level fighter can likely fall 100 meters, face plant, stand up, dust himself off, and walk away.
Or take facing. During combat, all characters can always see 360 degrees around them at all times.
Some mechanics don't necessarily make sense. Throw houserules where you want them to make things feel better, but otherwise just roll with it. It's a game.
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The level 20 fighter is badass. No explanation necessary.
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D&D is not a game for you, then.So, the game have an issue and is my fault to point it out?
It's an "issue" if your'e looking for realism. It's not an "issue" if you don't care for realism.
D&D is not a realistic game. Never was and likely never will be. It has a high degree of abstraction, and if you try to turn it into a simulator of real life, you'll likely run into issues such as: falling damage, economy, poisons/diseases and my beloved electricity underwater, neither of which is realistic to any serious degree.
There are RPGs out there that take great care to be as much a simulation of physics, chemistry, biology and economy. D&D is not one of them.
the magic solutions is:
mundane =/= real world physics
also, the game can be for you, you just have accept certain things, like not everything is possible. Certainly when you start with hitpoints, reality takes a dive.
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Looks like it should be fine. Found some videos online showing 3 arrows shot in 1.5 seconds, which is 12 arrows in 6 seconds. And this isn't a guy who has spent 20 levels of adventuring and surviving on his own speed and skill; just some guy who is fast with a bow.
By level 6 you are outside of "Normal" anyhow. Past that and you left the realm of mortals behind really. You are a mythic figure that does super human things.
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Oh no, non-caster gets something good. Better fix that.
He's using the most awesome compound bow ever obviously.
Why is it such a problem that the archer shoots so many arrows at one time? Is it annoying? Does the player not have fun having a character who is a machinegun? Just please promise you won't read the legacy of marianasu pbp thread then. As my wife does exactly what you seem to hate.
Again as the threat area is 5 ft maybe you are doing a legolas and stabbing them with the arrows?
No, that is already a thing you can do with a different feat.
Manyshot, rapid shot, sanp shot and combat reflexes. 5 regular attacks, and with dex 22) 6 attacks of oportunity
To be clear, there are enough things in this game that don't make sense for this to not phase me in the least. But if it really bothers you, note that both many shot and snap shot require a BAB of 6, so I don't think you can do this at level 6.
Likewise, I don't really see a realistic scenario where 6 guys are dancing around an archer generating AoOs instead of attacking him.
If a player did this with me, I'd happily allow it, because it is a monumental feat investment (7 feats, by my count, they'd want to have at level 7 dealing with nothing but archery) that will never pay off the way you're describing it - definitely not at level 6/7. But hey - this is what houserules are for. As for me, I don't often experience groups of enemies running circles around archers.
D&D is not a game for you, then.So, the game have an issue and is my fault to point it out?
The game has no issue. It's a game.
Further more, it's a game wherein the point is to allow players to control a character who does fantastic things such as cast spells, shape-shift, walk up walls, fight demons barehanded, see the invisible, or summon creatures from another plane.
Again, the game has no issue. It's doing its job.
If you need or want a game where the fantastic is not possible, then this game isn't for you. There's nothing wrong with that, but coming here and pointing out one of the fantastic achievements PCs can attain as if it's some sort of oversight or mistake... that's kind of missing the whole point.
A 20th level fighter with completely average constitution can throw himself off a 20 story building and expect to just get up and walk away from it. A 20th level fighter with typical stats can expect to climb up the side of that building in 40 seconds then throw himself off its peak again and still get up and walk away from it, and maybe do it two or three more times.
Heroic, fantastic, extraordinary and amazing are the name of the game. Well, that and Pathfinder. Same thing, really.
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First, after about 6th levelish we are typically leaving human achievements.
Second, here is a video of a girl quick shooting. It gives you an idea of how it might be done.
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The broken verisimilitude of this particular issue can be easily handled by shifting the time span of a game round to 10 seconds, or even 20 seconds, without having any adverse rule effects in game. Just sayin'! =-)
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He´s just superfast;I don´t see the problem with it,its fantasy.A level 10 raging Barbarian is most likely as strong as an Elephant,its not realistic but its fun.
I find it reasonable within the setting. As you said, he has 36 dexterity.
That means he has godlike dexterity. He has extremely fast movements.
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If my friend's barbarian can survive atmospheric re-entry by 15th level due to high hitpoints and pure anger than somebody nocking and letting a couple of arrows fly during an arbitraty amount of combat time by 20th level doesn't bother me one bit. One guy is doing a ludicrous amount of wrist and finger movements and the other is spitting in the faces of gods.
Which reminds me, time to see how much dr one can conjure up with Invulnerable Rager and Stalwart+Imp. Stalwart! Then I'm off to head-butt ballista bolts and bounce gauss rounds off my thews.
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Then I'm off to head-butt ballista bolts and bounce gauss rounds off my thews.
"Only the substandard Inner sphere Gauss shells.Failed sibkin could do that"
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Every single person posting on this board, unless they are an Ex-Black Ops, is level 1-2, 3 at best, and I highly doubt they have levels of a class with full base attack. Which is to say, level in "professional killer", because rogues, clerics, and other "fighting" classes have average. High base attack is for people who kill for a living.
Level 6 is pushing the limits of what real world people can do, and they are likely few and far between. I've seen an Ex-Navy Seal at a SCA war who was six foot three, but he could disappear in foot tall grass and sneak up on you in bright red full-plate. It was unbelievable, but it happened there on the field, and even thought I saw it, I still have a hard time believing it.
Level 10 is superhuman. Not Superman, but beyond human ability nonetheless. 15 is insane, and anything above it is people who have skill that is inconceivable to see in action.
This is part of the reason I loathed the concept of the Epic Level Handbook. Sure, I loved some of the specific ideas, but the concept itself of "epic" play was just so ridiculous to me. Anything above level 9 is epic, when you think about it from a real world perspective. And like it or not, most of the commoners in Golarion or any other setting are just as normal and limited as us real world commoners.
Someone should link the old article commenting on the "reality" of levels in a D&D world. Between it and the youtube videos, the issue is, as far as I'm concerned, dealt with to the point where its simply personal taste from this point out.
Magic is magic, my questions only involve mundane things
D&D/Pathfinder is and always has been, a game of epic heroism and adventure. Where swordsmen do the impossible, wizards bend reality to their will and priests wield of the power of the gods themselves.
That archer can fire that fast 'without magic' the exact same reason that characters with Evade can come out of the center of an explosion totally unharmed and why barbarians can react to danger even if it would be impossible for them to do so: Because they are epic, heroic, superhuman beings suffused with the stuff of legend.
If that is too much for you to accept, perhaps this game is not for you. Wizards are not the only ones with 'magic'.
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Magic is magic, my questions only involve mundane things
Let warriors be fantastic too. You don't have to use magic to be fantastic.
I agree with Gorb and the rest. The game does not have an issue, you have an issue with the game. It doesn't model the story you want. That's not a fault of the system, any more than a flat tip screwdriver has a fault when you use it on a cross head screw.
Edit: Or if you need more, that 20th level fighter can likely fall 100 meters, face plant, stand up, dust himself off, and walk away.
HA! Shows what you know -- I used crane wing and blocked the earth and then hit it for daring to attack me. It was so scared it hasn't tried again since, at that was at level 3!
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The broken verisimilitude of this particular issue can be easily handled by shifting the time span of a game round to 10 seconds, or even 20 seconds,
Or by recognizing that it's a game, and that putting this sort of effort into maintaining verisimilitude is probably more debilitating to your game experience than saying, "Archers get to do something awesome? Sweet."
The idea of verisimilitude being of paramount importance in a game needs to die a quick, merciful death.
Wasn't there a youtube video with a guy shooting off a lot of arrows really quick?