Improving rods


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Just wondered, as you can increase some magic items (e.g., cloak of resistance from +1 to +2, flaing to flaming burst), can you improve a lesser metamagic rod to a normal metamagic rod, or do you need to buy a new one?


Is suspect that no official ruling on this exists.

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I'd allow it.


Hyla wrote:

Is suspect that no official ruling on this exists.

EDIT:

I'd allow it.

Me too.

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PeteZero wrote:
Just wondered, as you can increase some magic items (e.g., cloak of resistance from +1 to +2, flaing to flaming burst), can you improve a lesser metamagic rod to a normal metamagic rod, or do you need to buy a new one?

Try asking on the Pathfinder Society board if this is allowed in organised play?


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PeteZero wrote:
Just wondered, as you can increase some magic items (e.g., cloak of resistance from +1 to +2, flaing to flaming burst), can you improve a lesser metamagic rod to a normal metamagic rod, or do you need to buy a new one?

This sounds like an entirely reasonable thing to me!


Would the same apply to ring of Invis if the rogue wanted to upgrade it to a ring of Greater Invis?


Probably not, at least officially as it is based on another spell.
The weapons have the same pre-requisites, the rods are even mentioned in one paragraph together.


I've allowed rods and rings both to be upgraded.

I very much encourage this behavior in my games. I'd rather see a character develop slowly along a theme than "hold off" until the right item is affordable. So I encourage players to seek out weak versions of the items they would eventually like to use. For example: Cloak of Vanish (CL2, use activated, 1/day) gets upgraded to 2/day, then 3/day, then adds Invisibility (CL3 1/day), and then becomes a Cloak of Invisibility (at will, just like the ring), and eventually a Cloak of Greater Invisibility.

Yes, I'm the super-stealthy Rogue who attacks unseen. I get better at it.


Slacker2010 wrote:
Would the same apply to ring of Invis if the rogue wanted to upgrade it to a ring of Greater Invis?

I believe that's explicitly one of the examples of "Items that will never be official".


Blueluck wrote:

I've allowed rods and rings both to be upgraded.

I very much encourage this behavior in my games. I'd rather see a character develop slowly along a theme than "hold off" until the right item is affordable. So I encourage players to seek out weak versions of the items they would eventually like to use. For example: Cloak of Vanish (CL2, use activated, 1/day) gets upgraded to 2/day, then 3/day, then adds Invisibility (CL3 1/day), and then becomes a Cloak of Invisibility (at will, just like the ring), and eventually a Cloak of Greater Invisibility.

Yes, I'm the super-stealthy Rogue who attacks unseen. I get better at it.

Sounds like that's the item getting better, not the rogue ;)

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