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It's a bit more complicated actually : you begin a surprise round by attacking, but unless you have the Deft Palm talent, drawing a concealed weapon is at best a move action (and a surprise round only allows for a standard or move action), so without Deft Palm, the only way to simulate this is : I attack => Surprise round, drawing the concealed weapon => rolling initiative, hoping to go first as to catch the enemy flat-footed (before he can act, otherwise you're doomed). There is also the Underhanded talent and Betrayer feats, with the Bandit archetype. I suggest you to search "underhanded talent" on the forums to find the three different ways you may sneak someone with a concealed weapon through the rules, with and without some talents/feats.
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It's a bit more complicated actually : you begin a surprise round by attacking, but unless you have the Deft Palm talent, drawing a concealed weapon is at best a move action (and a surprise round only allows for a standard or move action), so without Deft Palm, the only way to simulate this is : I attack => Surprise round, drawing the concealed weapon => rolling initiative, hoping to go first as to catch the enemy flat-footed (before he can act, otherwise you're doomed). There is also the Underhanded talent and Betrayer feats, with the Bandit archetype. I suggest you to search "underhanded talent" on the forums to find the three different ways you may sneak someone with a concealed weapon through the rules, with and without some talents/feats.No need to mention Surprise round. Every disscusion I see about hidden weapons people mention surprise round. You don't even need a concealed weapon in the surprise round. It's moot.
Ninja with hidden weapon trick plus quick draw equals a free action to draw a concealed weapon.
So with a free action to draw a concealed weapon can you sneak attack with it? This is in the middle of combat, not the surprise round.
The answer is no. Pathfinder does not have a way of surprising an enemy with a weapon without surprising them entirely. If they know you're there and can see you, it doesn't matter what you attack them with it is not considered surprising enough to catch them flat-footed. All weapons or no weapons, in other words.
However, you could use a Feint action to make them flat-footed in this case (and since you're attempting to misdirect them by attacking with a previously hidden weapon, I'm imagining that this is what you'd be doing). At best you could house-rule that you can do Feint with a sleight of hand check to feint if attacking with a hidden weapon (using their perception mod to set DC instead of sense motive). But house rules are house rules and not RAW.
The reason people mention surprise round is because that's usually why this question is asked.
Where did 3.5 say you got sneak attack?
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No need to mention Surprise round. Every disscusion I see about hidden weapons people mention surprise round. You don't even need a concealed weapon in the surprise round. It's moot.
Except there probably isn't any surprise round for you if your weapon isn't concealed ; and the Underhanded talent requires it.
So with a free action to draw a concealed weapon can you sneak attack with it? This is in the middle of combat, not the surprise round.
Unless you have a way to make the enemy flat-footed, like with a successful feint, he is considered as being on his guards against you, including your hidden weapons.
I don't remember of any rule about having the enemy flat-footed by drawing a weapon the enemy couldn't see before as a free action, otherwise the glove of storing would be even more loved than it already is.
Also, where does it say Quick Draw + Hidden Weapon means free action drawing of hidden weapons? I do not see such language in Sleight of Hand, Quick Draw, or Hidden Weapon. To try to claim that the first sentence of quick draw means that is to say that it should make drawing a hidden weapon a free action as well, without hidden weapon.
Quick Draw makes pulling a hidden weapon a move action. As does Hidden Weapons. Neither imply that they lower it down an action, rather than setting it at an action.
If you have the sneak attack ability and attack a foe with a concealed weapon (sucessful sleight of hand check) are they considered flat-footed and you get sneak attack damage?
I know it was like this in 3.5 but can not find it exactly mentioned in Pathfinder.
There is a better way... If you're a rogue that is...
look for the rogue talent called UNDERHANDED in " Ultimate Combat " pg 70and also add the talent DEFT PALM (optional) pg 69 to the mix and it should do the trick. You will not be disappointed... UNDERHANDED does allow for a sneak attack with a concealed weapon at MAX DAMAGE! on the surprised round with a +4 to sleight of hand to conceal your weapon. This can be one of the deadliest talents out there... trust me...
There is actually deadlier. Betrayer feat + Underhanded/Deft Palm with Sap Master. Double sneak attack at twice the full damage each, in only one round + fix bonus per SA dice, which you have a s~~#ton of.
I would have to disagree... for two reasons
1) the BETRAYER feat takes a lot of trouble to activate. much time and effort and diplomacy rolls must be made ( they got to be friendly towards you... and why would you attack a new found friend anyway?...)
2) When struck with the sap, I don't think the double SA damage carries from UNDERHANDED, but even if it does... the sap only do nonlethal damage anyway... good try though...
buy the way... you wouldn't need BETRAYER for this to work anyway. Underhanded is enough.
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Betrayer gives you a draw + an attack as an immediate action during the surprise round. And if you are taking underhanded, you are already building a deceptive-based rogue, so you might as well go full course on it and optimize the concept like a mad monkey.
Edit : also, the damage being nonlethal is a moot point, this is still damage that can put an enemy KO easily, it just doesn't work on everything.
Betrayer gives you a draw + an attack as an immediate action during the surprise round. And if you are taking underhanded, you are already building a deceptive-based rogue, so you might as well go full course on it and optimize the concept like a mad monkey.
Edit : also, the damage being nonlethal is a moot point, this is still damage that can put an enemy KO easily, it just doesn't work on everything.
I still disagree about needing BETRAYAL for the actions given for draw + attack, UNDERHANDED will do the trick, but I have to admit, using betrayal would be more fun... especially upon anther PC...
Oh and yes... nonlethal or no, as long as it removes a player from the field... Toucher!
I like. Deft Palm with Underhanded is a nice combo, especially when stacked with Sap Adept and Sap Master. Betrayer is more fluff, but an excellent roleplay consideration nevertheless.
Your character could draw a concealed weapon as a move action using a sleight of hand check as part of that action to keep it concealed then strike out with it for some considerable damage. Too bad it only works in the surprise round. Same thing with Wave Strike (Ultimate Combat p123). I think that if you could either hide between attacks or take advantage of feinting your opponent this should be a viable tactic.
Oh well, you win some, you lose some I guess.
Bluff?
Anyhow with Deft palm you are concealing the weapon, so its then able to be used to stab the guy with in the Surp round.
And if you want to do it on the cheap: the Power of Suggestion trait lets your poison-dripping dagger seem to be a popsicle.
Yep it works nicely. And so does the Popsicle above:)
Anyhow, glad its all clear for you, and happy to help out a brother Rogue; an honest man carving out a dishonest living :)