so. I have three levels of Barbarian, one of Ranger. my guy was a Half-Elf, and used a magic masterwork scythe. all was well. then I died. then my party opted for Reincarnation. I am now - and I kid not - a female Goblin. this makes my scythe useless, and takes 4 points(!!!) off of my STR. my new abilities:
STR 16 +3
DEX 17 +3
CON 18 +4
INT 10 0
WIS 16 +3
CHA 4 -3
and no, the CHA isn't a typo...
now - what weapon(s) do I use? I was 100% all out no tactics melee, who just swung his scythe. but now, my STR isn't 20 any more, and I'm a freaking small sized creature!
as a Ranger, I get the weapon specialisation thing (don't remember its exact name, but you know what I mean), so I need to decide what I want to do with that, and what weapons to use in general.
I was initially thinking ranged into melee. Goblins get +4 Stealth, so I was thinking stealth -> composite shortbow -> melee. but IDK. tips?
NOT a sniper, as I'm making one for this very DnD group, since we're doing a two campaigns that eventually meet up into one big campaign thing.
Have you considered two-weapon fighting?
You still have very good strength, and it's combined with very good dexterity, and great constitution. So you're in a pretty good shape to be able to dish out a bunch of attacks, and still be standing after they full attack you (good AC, and hit points).
Save your coppers for a headband of charisma... That's ability damage you can't afford!
Eric Mason 37 wrote: Have you considered two-weapon fighting?
You still have very good strength, and it's combined with very good dexterity, and great constitution. So you're in a pretty good shape to be able to dish out a bunch of attacks, and still be standing after they full attack you (good AC, and hit points).
Save your coppers for a headband of charisma... That's ability damage you can't afford!
And quest for a miracle to restore you...damn...I would almost consider suicide runs so you can roll the wheel of resurrection again.
4 Charisma...damn...
Eric Mason 37 wrote: Have you considered two-weapon fighting? yes. that and a bow. IDK what to make my main focus though. high DEX and high STR makes for a nice use of the composite bow... but then again, melee is fun.
Eric Mason 37 wrote: You still have very good strength, and it's combined with very good dexterity, and great constitution. So you're in a pretty good shape to be able to dish out a bunch of attacks, and still be standing after they full attack you (good AC, and hit points). I have bad AC. I only wear light armour. need to pick up some mithril or something though... or anything that acts as light armour but isn't.
Eric Mason 37 wrote: Save your coppers for a headband of charisma... That's ability damage you can't afford! why? I don't think I really need CHA, and a low CHA fits with the character. though 4 is certainly... interesting.
Only changes you should get from reincarnating as a Goblin is a size change and a -2 Str, +2 Dex and +0 Con. As per the Table. Am I missing something? I didn't think reincarnation effected your non physical stats.
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Now to contribute!
I would suggest going mounted Barbarian and Beast Totem. Get a Boar and give it Pounce with a Gore, 2 Claw attacks and a bite (get animal fury!). Imagining and Goblin foaming at the mouth jumping on some poor bastard with his pet porkchop right behind. Get two weapon fighting with Falcatas.. you have the dex for it. Being small sized actually helps mounted barbarians, you can get into places that medium sized characters on moutns normally couldn't.
What are your feats?
First of all, you would have had to start with 4 Cha -- you keep your mental stats (including Charisma) in a reincarnate.
However, if your Half-Elf +2 was to Str, then you *could* lose 4 str (strip away the bonus, then lose 2 for goblinhood).
Anyhow, you still have 16 str -- really, most small-size weapons only cost you 1 average damage, and so you should still be quite effective in melee.
Having said all that, I'm seconding the two suggestions:
You can totally rock being a 2-weapon fighter -- ranger bonus feats toward that chain plus your high dex help you qualify -- that can go a long way toward balancing out your lost damage potential -- especially when you start getting fun feats like two-weapon rend. (Especially since your favoured enemy damage happens on each hit, plus you get extra chances at criticals, etc.)
Or, taking advantage of the fact you can have a medium sized mount (and thus take it anywhere your medium-sized companions go), the mounted fury barbarian archetype and the mounted ranger combat style can also be your friend.
alexanderb wrote: Eric Mason 37 wrote: Have you considered two-weapon fighting? yes. that and a bow. IDK what to make my main focus though. high DEX and high STR makes for a nice use of the composite bow... but then again, melee is fun.
You have a high constitution, which archers have typically skimped on to get good strength and dexterity, so if I were you I'd enjoy the melee. Your next more fragile character can be an archer ;)
alexanderb wrote:
I have bad AC. I only wear light armour. need to pick up some mithril or something though... or anything that acts as light armour but isn't.
A magical chain shirt with a +3 dex bonus is still quite good for a level 4 non-heavy armour character, and usually people with that don't have strength 16 and a constitution of 18. Yes, you're going to want to eventually get a mithril breastplate, but not every character has managed to get one at fourth level ;)
alexanderb wrote: Eric Mason 37 wrote: Save your coppers for a headband of charisma... That's ability damage you can't afford! why? I don't think I really need CHA, and a low CHA fits with the character. though 4 is certainly... interesting.
Ability damage sucks:
"If the amount of ability damage you have taken equals or exceeds your ability score, you immediately fall unconscious until the damage is less than your ability score."
So 4 charisma damage drops you at the moment.
I don't know the spells and bestiary very well so I couldn't point them out for you, but I have seen charisma damage happen in games I have played in. So it's like a black box bomb that could go off when you least expect it.
Alwaysafk wrote: Only changes you should get from reincarnating as a Goblin is a size change and a -2 Str, +2 Dex and +0 Con. As per the Table. Am I missing something? I didn't think reincarnation effected your non physical stats. I think my DM f+#!ed up. I will mention this to him, heh. guess I have 6 CHA then.
Alwaysafk wrote: I would suggest going mounted Barbarian... I will be pursuing Ranger not Barbarian as an RP choice.
Alwaysafk wrote: What are your feats? skill focus intimidate (we house rule to use STR or CHA, depending on the situation, and I've been using STR), and 2x fleet (base speed of 50ft in light armour).
Tilnar wrote: You can totally rock being a 2-weapon fighter -- ranger bonus feats toward that chain plus your high dex help you qualify -- that can go a long way toward balancing out your lost damage potential -- especially when you start getting fun feats like two-weapon rend. (Especially since your favoured enemy damage happens on each hit, plus you get extra chances at criticals, etc.)
Or, taking advantage of the fact you can have a medium sized mount (and thus take it anywhere your medium-sized companions go), the mounted fury barbarian archetype and the mounted ranger combat style can also be your friend.
I don't think I will be doing much mounted stuff, but the 2-weapon melee is *very* enticing. thanks for the feat suggestion as well.
Eric Mason 37 wrote: You have a high constitution, which archers have typically skimped on to get good strength and dexterity, so if I were you I'd enjoy the melee. Your next more fragile character can be an archer ;) yeah my CON sort of ended up being my top stat somehow, haha. -4 STR is a b~~%%.
Eric Mason 37 wrote: A magical chain shirt with a +3 dex bonus is still quite good for a level 4 non-heavy armour character, and usually people with that don't have strength 16 and a constitution of 18. Yes, you're going to want to eventually get a mithril breastplate, but not every character has managed to get one at fourth level ;) I don't have much money... but I'm going shopping next session, so I will look into a magical chain shirt. good idea. and yes, the mithril (or is it mithral or something in Pathfinder?) is more of a long(er)-term goal.
thank you for your help! all of you. :-)
Two notes:
1) You only change physical stats when you reincarnate. Mental never change.
2) You subtract the modifiers listed for your previous race (half-elf) THEN add the modifiers for the new race (goblin). This is a net change of -2 Str. Sucks to be you.
I would recommend trying to get your former shape restored. A high level cleric could do it without material components (using Miracle), leaving you with a cost of 1530g... if you can find a cleric.
You didn't mention your combat style feat. Since you were scything, I'm guessing it was two-hand so you have power attack? Why give up on that, you lost a few points of damage, but 2h plus pwr atk is still going to be some damage, lead blades will still get you to decent dice even with a size small 2hander.
With those feats and house rule, it'd be tempting to go to the dazzling display etc.
I'd give your next feat to boon companion though and take advantage of having a badass rideable mount. Since your movement speed can equal or exceed with longstrider your mount's, after it moves in you could use your remainder to vault into flanking. After that consider going full mounted, or dazzling, or cornugan smash.
CoV is right: Small is actually good for most rangers. Not only do accuracy and AC go up - you also get that massive Stealth hike and access to a wide range of Medium mounts. Medium mounts are great, particularly if you choose something like dire badgers that are entirely OK with dungeon-delving. (If your campaign is more wilderness-travel-oriented, a Medium flying mount is a better choice.) Shame it wasn't a female kobold, though... because only an expert can tell. Oh well, just smoke a cigar to make yourself more manly. (chuckle)
StabbittyDoom wrote: I would recommend trying to get your former shape restored. A high level cleric could do it without material components (using Miracle), leaving you with a cost of 1530g... if you can find a cleric. I actually kind of like the reincarnation from a RP-perspective.
Cult of Vorg wrote: You didn't mention your combat style feat. that's Ranger level 2. I am only Ranger level 1.
Lincoln Hills wrote: CoV is right: Small is actually good for most rangers. Not only do accuracy and AC go up - you also get that massive Stealth hike and access to a wide range of Medium mounts. Medium mounts are great, particularly if you choose something like dire badgers that are entirely OK with dungeon-delving. (If your campaign is more wilderness-travel-oriented, a Medium flying mount is a better choice.) Shame it wasn't a female kobold, though... because only an expert can tell. Oh well, just smoke a cigar to make yourself more manly. (chuckle) I don't stealth or ride. my character is all out HUNT-THEM-DOWN-AND-KILL-THEM... but I guess I'm about to change that... I almost have to now.
the campaign has been mostly city-focused. quite a few sewers and warehouses etc. it is a social campaign, so I am allowed to mess around... so I think I'll be focusing on the typical goblin skills - Ride, Stealth and Swim. and I'll be using two weapons - definitely, getting the specialisation with my next Ranger level. then I can get some combat style feats to reduce penalties.
I will look into getting a badger. thanks.
I'm not too keen for a badger (or wolverine, which has the same stats) for a ranger mount; it only becomes medium at druid level 4, which means ranger 7. A small cat is imo better for small rangers, but you still need to level up to make it ridable. In your case, a wolf might be your best bet - you can ride it as soon as you get it, and its stats aren't half bad. Even if you reincarnate back to medium it's a handy tripper and can be made large for riding.
Sorry, read and reread and still missed your class levels, just saw the sticking ranger for roleplay comment.
Next level ranger means you get 2 feats, so can dive into whichever style you like. With your mad speed and rage still getting str to 20, I'd still think staying 2hand would serve you better than the 2weapon feat sink, but fun comes first, eh?
As a goblin, I think taking Extra Rage Power for the bite attack would be cool.
Cult of Vorg wrote:
As a goblin, I think taking Extra Rage Power for the bite attack would be cool.
Tiny teeth marks everywhere! I imagine their tiny rows of teeth whirling around like a saw...
Cult of Vorg wrote: Next level ranger means you get 2 feats, so can dive into whichever style you like. @OP
Remember, because i only recently realized that tidbit, almost half the fun of the combat style is: yoú don´t need prerequisites !
Since you have the Dex for Two-weapon-fighting and have a Level feat to take it, look into the other combat styles. You could take shield slam right away or mounted archery or shield of swings, precise shot?
Generally i´d try do emphazise throwing weapons with or without rage to soften up enemies.
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