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Hello,
I'm intrigued with using Eldritch Heritage to get a familiar for my Abyssal sorcerer, but something in the wording of Metamagic Adept caught my eye. It says the following:
Metamagic Adept (Ex): At 3rd level, you can apply any one metamagic feat you know to a spell you are about to cast without increasing the casting time. You must still expend a higher-level spell slot to cast this spell. You can use this ability once per day at 3rd level and one additional time per day for every four sorcerer levels you possess beyond 3rd, up to five times per day at 19th level. At 20th level, this ability is replaced by arcane apotheosis.
Now I'm pretty sure Eldritch Heritage (and improved, and greater) are not meant to be able to fetch a 20th level power from another bloodline. Then again, the wording of Metamagic Adept says it will be replaced by the 20th level power of the Arcane bloodline.
Is this a loophole of sorts / illegal, or is it actually possible?
No. It means, "when you get Arcane Apotheosis at 20th level, that ability replaces this one." If you never get Arcane Apotheosis through your class, it doesn't apply. It's a standard wording for abilities that are made redundant by another ability later, not a guarantee that you will get the later ability.
I see, thank you!
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No. It means, "when you get Arcane Apotheosis at 20th level, that ability replaces this one." If you never get Arcane Apotheosis through your class, it doesn't apply. It's a standard wording for abilities that are made redundant by another ability later, not a guarantee that you will get the later ability.
Sorry to bump this
I know thats the RAI, but is that RAW?
I don't see the problem. Eldritch Heritage works at Characer level -2. So even if Metamagic Adept would be replaced by arcane apotheosis (and I agree that it is not), you'd need to be level 22.
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I don't see the problem. Eldritch Heritage works at Characer level -2. So even if Metamagic Adept would be replaced by arcane apotheosis (and I agree that it is not), you'd need to be level 22.
greater eldritch heritage bumps it upto you're full level.
i read it as "at 20th level gain this ability". nothing else seems to contrdict that
It basically means "This ability is lost once you gain Arcane Apotheosis".
This ability does not give you Arcane Apotheosis, that is a different ability, and it is listed separately.
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It basically means "This ability is lost once you gain Arcane Apotheosis".
This ability does not give you Arcane Apotheosis, that is a different ability, and it is listed separately.
i know what it means, but what does it say?
i read it as "at level 20, you get this ability", its a scaling ability. and the level 1 ability is "at 20 replace this ability with this other ability"
one of the "powers" of MM adept is "at 20 gain arcane apothesis"
Ah, but it DOESN'T say you gain it, it says the ability is replaced by it.
That means the ability goes away once you get Arcane Apotheosis. There is nothing in the MM adept ability that actually says you GET that power.
:P
Man, it's level 20. Let's just say they get Arcane Apotheosis. They've been creating demiplanes for 7 levels now.
It's clear as day, you get the new ability at level 20. It could be considered cheese, but you are investing FOUR feats to get there as well.
At least it's not as bad as Antagonize.
It's clear as day, you get the new ability at level 20. It could be considered cheese, but you are investing FOUR feats to get there as well.
At least it's not as bad as Antagonize.
Why would it be cheese to use a feat as intended?
It's clear as day, you get the new ability at level 20. It could be considered cheese, but you are investing FOUR feats to get there as well.
Agreed. It may not have been RAI, but RAW (and the English language) is clear.
Why would it be cheese to use a feat as intended?It's clear as day, you get the new ability at level 20. It could be considered cheese, but you are investing FOUR feats to get there as well.
At least it's not as bad as Antagonize.
Personally i don't think it is cheese, the ability doesn't seem stupid powerful. Though some people will argue otherwise, maybe there is a way to exploit this power?
Yes, it is there only to clarify that it does not stackNo. It means, "when you get Arcane Apotheosis at 20th level, that ability replaces this one." If you never get Arcane Apotheosis through your class, it doesn't apply. It's a standard wording for abilities that are made redundant by another ability later, not a guarantee that you will get the later ability.Sorry to bump this
I know thats the RAI, but is that RAW?
Volcanus if you're claiming something is RAW can you please qoute or link what makes you think so, because your responce seems to be pure RAI.