Forced Reincarnation


Rules Questions

Liberty's Edge

Can a witch hex themselves with Forced Reincarnation as means of changing their form or achieving eternal youth? I'm thinking of including a witch that is thousands of years old in my campaign and am curious if this is a legit way to explain this.

Thanks!


Sure just remember 2 negative levels each time so you need a good supply of xp over those years.


Talonhawke wrote:
Sure just remember 2 negative levels each time so you need a good supply of xp over those years.

Greater Restoration


Thats gonna get expensive


Not too expensive. If you have an average profession check of 10 and put half of your earnings towards saving for Greater Restoration, you can afford to do the Forced Reincarnation every 40 years. This is assuming you don't do any adventuring to speak of which would easily earn you the gold needed to do Greater Restoration whenever you want.


Don't forget paying the Cleric and the fact that some of your reincarnations might not do to well in town.


Talonhawke wrote:
Don't forget paying the Cleric and the fact that some of your reincarnations might not do to well in town.

meh just move town when you do

could actually play a very Dr Who esque character who regens to avoid death, coming back different each time.


Or you can be a witch with a healing patron and use your spell of greater of restoration.

A 13th level wizard should also be able to force its own reincarnation with the Spells Contingency and Limited wish, but they would need someone else for the restoration.


Talonhawke wrote:
Sure just remember 2 negative levels each time so you need a good supply of xp over those years.

This point got kind of dropped, but remember that negative levels no longer impose an XP penalty. There is really no way to lose XP anymore. No negative levels, not magic item creation, not powerful spells. A negative level has mechanical effects, certainly, but you do not reduce your character by a level (your lvl 18 witch is still a lvl 18 witch).

Greater Restoration will do the trick, or two regular Restorations over the course of 8 days, which will only cost you 1000gp each (if you have the healing patron and can cast it yourself) or 1360 each if you need to pay a cleric. Endurance patron also grants Greater Restoration, but not the regular kind.

So that means you just need to raise between 2000 and 2720 gold per "lifetime," which should not be too difficult for an 18th level witch, even one who is obsessed with immortality and trying to avoid dangerous situations.


For whatever reason a witch Hexing herself reminds me of the Head of Vecna...


isn't there a reincarnating druid archtype that might fit this better ?

basically always reincarnates on death except vs death effects


Beware the Head of Vecna.... you're obviously not doing it right, let ME cut your head off!


Phasics wrote:

isn't there a reincarnating druid archtype that might fit this better ?

basically always reincarnates on death except vs death effects

Oracle of heavens (and it does not exclude death effects).


Ughbash wrote:
Phasics wrote:

isn't there a reincarnating druid archtype that might fit this better ?

basically always reincarnates on death except vs death effects

Oracle of heavens (and it does not exclude death effects).

you mean the level 20 capstone ?

Grand Lodge

The_Hanged_Man wrote:

Can a witch hex themselves with Forced Reincarnation as means of changing their form or achieving eternal youth? I'm thinking of including a witch that is thousands of years old in my campaign and am curious if this is a legit way to explain this.

Thanks!

Just handwave it. You don't need a mechanic for every story event. Cursed by the gods, a wizard did it, bit the wrong apple, just put in text for flavor and specify it as one of those mysterious unique events that no one can fully explain.

This is one way you can tell if a person was weaned on Storyteller or D20.... the latter expect a mechanic for EVERYTHING.


At work, can't pull the material, but there is a druid archetype that at lvl 6? Gains the ability to reincarnate 1/week when they die except to death effects


Reincarnated Druid at 5th level .


Make yourself a staff that includes Restoration. It's a little bit expensive on the front end, but as long as you can recharge it, it lasts forever.

Also, when you're thinking long term, no reason to pay 5,000 gp on Greater Restoration when you can cast two Restorations for 2,000 gp a week apart.


Rule of Cool

If you want to have an NPC that has kept herself alive throughout the ages through Reincarnation...F'n do it. That definitely falls under the Rule of Cool.

It's not as if your party members are trying to figure this out for themselves so they can do it right?


thomas nelson wrote:

Or you can be a witch with a healing patron and use your spell of greater of restoration.

A 13th level wizard should also be able to force its own reincarnation with the Spells Contingency and Limited wish, but they would need someone else for the restoration.

Totally stealing this idea.


I agree with the sentiment that it's an NPC - doesn't need rules for everything. Make up something cool - if there happen to be rules for it, great. Otherwise, just go for it.


Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
thomas nelson wrote:

Or you can be a witch with a healing patron and use your spell of greater of restoration.

A 13th level wizard should also be able to force its own reincarnation with the Spells Contingency and Limited wish, but they would need someone else for the restoration.

Totally stealing this idea.

Polymorph any object is also valuable for resuming your own appearance after your reincarnation.


Completely different question:

When you use it for its intended purpose (on a hostile foe) does it knock them out of combat for 10 minutes while their body reforms?


beej67 wrote:

Completely different question:

When you use it for its intended purpose (on a hostile foe) does it knock them out of combat for 10 minutes while their body reforms?

It would be an hour, not 10 minutes. 10 minutes is the casting time of the spell, but from the spell text itself:

Reincarnate wrote:
The magic of the spell creates an entirely new young adult body for the soul to inhabit from the natural elements at hand. This process takes 1 hour to complete. When the body is ready, the subject is reincarnated.

(emphasis mine)

However, the text of Forced Reincarnation says:

Forced Reincarnation wrote:
Those that fail are slain and immediately brought back to life with the spell reincarnate.

(emphasis mine)

So, since it is immediate, there is no casting time. Further, since they are brought back to life immediately, the building of the new body is instant. Ordinarily, with the spell, the reincarnation does not happen until after the body is built over the course of an hour. Since the reincarnation is instant, the body has to be built instantly as well.

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