So our newly formed group decides to run "The Godsmouth Heresy" module (very fun.) There's only 3 of us, so as a GM I say "why not start a level up?" So the party is a 2nd level Paladin, Inquisitor, and buffing Cleric. Right about the point I think that they're going to run through this with no problems, they run into a swarm of diminutive creatures. Being immune to weapon damage, the swarm proceeds to run rampant on everyone. That is, until the Cleric has the idea to light himself on fire. He proceeds with his idea and runs through the swarm just killing them before he burns to death (Yay spontaneous cure spells). This only proves the point that swarms, like ninjas can't catch you if you're on fire.
I would have him roll a will save every round to start rolling on the ground and try to put himself put. No normal person would actualy light himself on fire...that's ridiculous.
Normal people can't magically heal themselves spontaneously either.
I would have him roll a will save every round to start rolling on the ground and try to put himself put.
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The I think the relevant question how you could NOT run around frantically while on fire. If it's a will save to resist panicking about being on fire, wouldn't you run around screaming, "I'm ON FIRE!
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Cover yourself in gasoline, light yourself on fire and try to run around for 6 seconds...
Well, I'm not an Adventurer, or professional comabatant with magic healing powers.
Religious fanatics and protesters absolutely do this in the real world (though they tend to die), and I see no problem with a character doing it in game.
I would probably have him make a single, say, DC 15 Will Save to actually do the lighting (that being a bit hardcore, even with all the above said), though. He could retry every round until he succeeded, but if he failed that would still be his action for the round. Should reflect mustering the courage to do it fairly well. It'd definitely be a Fear-based effect, though, so 3rd level Paladins could do it sans rolls.
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Cover yourself in gasoline, light yourself on fire and try to run around for 6 seconds...Well, I'm not an Adventurer, or professional comabatant with magic healing powers.
Religious fanatics and protesters absolutely do this in the real world (though they tend to die), and I see no problem with a character doing it in game.
I would probably have him make a single, say, DC 15 Will Save to actually do the lighting (that being a bit hardcore, even with all the above said), though. He could retry every round until he succeeded, but if he failed that would still be his action for the round. Should reflect mustering the courage to do it fairly well.
If he/she were a Cleric of Asmodeus, Sarenrae or any other deity that grants Fire domain I would rule an autopass on this save...
...actually, if that was a Cleric of Flauros I would rule a Will save in order to be able to put the fire out...
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If he/she were a Cleric of Asmodeus, Sarenrae or any other deity that grants Fire domain I would rule an autopass on this save......actually, if that was a Cleric of Flauros I would rule a Will save in order to be able to put the fire out...
Ooh, definite point. I wouldn't auto-pass them, but I'd definitely throw in a big Circumstance Bonus, probably +4 or so. Bear in mind that even most low-level Clerics are gonna have a +5-+8 Will Save anyway, so they've got real good odds of passing.
And of course you auto-pass if you have enough Fire Resistance to ignore the coming damage and know it. If you have any Fire Resistance at all you'd get a bonus (probably add your Resistance as a Circumstance Bonus).
So Tiefling Clerics of Asmodeus lighting themselves on fire probably isn't an unusual sight...
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So Tiefling Clerics of Asmodeus lighting themselves on fire probably isn't an unusual sight...
Oh that's a great one.
*Tiefling Cleric sets him self on fire*
"AAAAARGH!" *Bluff check for faking pain* "BEHOLD! The Prince of Darkness wrought me in flames for my sins against his faith! So shall you burn as well, if you ever stray from the only path! Be vigilant in your reverence to Asmodeus, or else you will face his fiery judgement!"
"Heh", thought the Tiefling. "Those stupid morons really think this hurts me. If only they knew..."
Only question I have is... how did this cleric set himself on fire? You've got a six-second round. While clothes might be flammable they're not going to just suddenly combust because someone whacked a flint & tinder at them. Further if this cleric is using spells to heal himself, he has to make a Concentration check each time because he's taking constant damage throughout a round.
I'm all for thinking outside of the box. I just like to use the rules to do so.
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Cover yourself in gasoline, light yourself on fire and try to run around for 6 seconds...Well, I'm not an Adventurer, or professional comabatant with magic healing powers.
Religious fanatics and protesters absolutely do this in the real world (though they tend to die), and I see no problem with a character doing it in game.
I was thinking movie stuntmen and women
Cover yourself in gasoline, light yourself on fire and try to run around for 6 seconds...
Done it with Everclear before.
Cover yourself in gasoline, light yourself on fire and try to run around for 6 seconds...Except in our reality, your deity of choice doesn't grant you the ability to magically heal third degree burns :)
Just because I have access to antibiotics doesn't mean that I eat Anthrax milkshakes, and a rollercoaster is still thrilling, even though you're strapped in. Even if there's a rational part of the brain that knows, there's another, more well-wired and basic part that says "fire bad."
I love this idea! I was in a highish level group (10th) that ran into a trap that create swarms of ants or beetles. We had just lost our magic user one or two games back. We had a bard, cleric/fighter and a scout. And not one of us had any kind of AOE spells. My bard was all about buff spells, or illusion spells. Not even any flasks of oil. We ended up doing a combo of fire wall and gusts of wind. Just dumb luck that I had those scrolls.
I like your idea. And its a color thing. I've played with many a GM/DM that will give you points for being creative.
Couldn't he have just tossed oil on them and then light them? Burn a few torches? And don't you know you light the fighter on fire and let him run in there.
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So our newly formed group decides to run "The Godsmouth Heresy" module (very fun.) There's only 3 of us, so as a GM I say "why not start a level up?" So the party is a 2nd level Paladin, Inquisitor, and buffing Cleric. Right about the point I think that they're going to run through this with no problems, they run into a swarm of diminutive creatures. Being immune to weapon damage, the swarm proceeds to run rampant on everyone. That is, until the Cleric has the idea to light himself on fire. He proceeds with his idea and runs through the swarm just killing them before he burns to death (Yay spontaneous cure spells). This only proves the point that swarms, like ninjas can't catch you if you're on fire.
At least he earns points for creativity. How did you handle it mechanically? I'd give you like 1d6 burn effect or something similar. He would also need to make some concentration checks too on those spontaneous cure spells as being on fire is somewhat er...distracting. Honestly a torch could of been just as effective if not as hilarious.
In two separate games with completely different groups of players, I have had PC reaction to a fellow PC covered in swarms be, "okay, I cast shatter on him, breaking all of the flasks of acid and alchemist's fire he's carrying". Both times have successfully killed the swarm. Both shatter-victims have survived the process of being drenched in acid and/or fire.
Absolute garbage gaming IMO!Impressive. You honestly think it's cool to call someone elses game garbage? Must be a nice view, hoisted up on that stick the way you are...
I would have him roll a will save every round to start rolling on the ground and try to put himself put. No normal person would actually light himself on fire...that's ridiculous.
I have a vague memory from college where I won $10 doing just that. But maybe that just says I am not normal...
As the cleric in question, I feel the need to come to the aid of my rookie DM. A few points of clarification I believe are in order.
I set myself on fire by diving onto a fire set in the square next to me, which was a fire set by oil and a crossbow loaded with a bolt that was flaming, when the swarm was eating me. They had been shying away from fire we had set earlier in the fight and it was my idea to try and get them caught. And while I did do a concentration check for the healing, we admittedly did not think of the will save. Altogether though it was hilarious at the time and loads of fun.
Also, another point of hilarity was that I did not light the oil by shooting the bolt at the at the square, but by passing through the square while nauseated and dropping the entire crossbow onto the square.
Thanks for the clarification. Not that anyone needs or even wants my approval, you did it right. I wouldn't bother with a Will save personally as DM. PCs do such heroic crazy stuff every day that normal people wouldn't consider. Self-immolation is just another aspect of the same personality that faces down trolls, dragons, and intelligent undead.
Altogether though it was hilarious at the time and loads of fun.And this is why I would allow it, in a heartbeat. 8^)
+1!! And thanks for the clarification, jncalp. Sounds like it was a really fun(ny!) session for everyone - and *that* is what it is all about.
Without considering jncalp's clarification, if I were DM in this situation I may have dispersed the swarm as the flaming PC approached then reform it on non-flaming PCs because that would be funny.
This game is so much more fun with meta-gaming and superheros.
yes, hence the "IMO" - others may not have that view - that would be "their opinion". You think I am a snob for saying so - that would be "your opinion" Got it? Ok, good.
My point is you're rude enough to call someone elses game garbage. Not just tell them, politely, civilly, that you think what happened was over the top. So I'm rude enough to call you out on it. If I said, in my opinion your a raging moron, it doesn't make it ok that I posted it as an opinion now does it?
This game is so much more fun with meta-gaming and superheros.No, it is not. Meta-gaming screws up the game and superheroes are not what Pathfinder is all about.
Depends what you mean by metagaming. I think a lot of the time metagaming is what makes it playable.