I played a BARD!


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Heh, the song is real funny Howie! I would even consider putting it on youtube.
Anyway, quick question from a starting bard here. As a melee human bard, which main weapon should I choose? I have seen people suggest the Falchion, but doesn't it only get better then the greatsword when you get the improved critical feat?


Torryn wrote:

Heh, the song is real funny Howie! I would even consider putting it on youtube.

Anyway, quick question from a starting bard here. As a melee human bard, which main weapon should I choose? I have seen people suggest the Falchion, but doesn't it only get better then the greatsword when you get the improved critical feat?

Flachion is better once your base damage gets higher (average damage >40). This will likely also happen about the same time you start seeing keen weapons, which reduces it to average damage >20. Falchion is also better once you can apply other effects on crits.

If you don't expect to go higher than 10th level, take the greatsword over the falchion.


The bard lacks proficiency in either IIRC. So yes, it's a question between being strong at low levels or being strong at high levels.

I'd say high levels are more important though that depends on the campaign you play.

Also, isn't there a racial traits that gives auto proficiency with a Falchion? One of the half orc traits I think.

Sovereign Court

Torryn wrote:

Heh, the song is real funny Howie! I would even consider putting it on youtube.

Anyway, quick question from a starting bard here. As a melee human bard, which main weapon should I choose? I have seen people suggest the Falchion, but doesn't it only get better then the greatsword when you get the improved critical feat?

Why are you wasting feats on two-handed weapons?

You'll want a rapier or longsword to begin with.

If you're dex is higher than strength then you could go weapon finesse with the rapier but you're probably better off getting a shortbow (longbow if an elf) and staying off the front-line.

You'll probably find Treantmonk's Guide to Pathfinder Bards quite interesting reading as well.


GeraintElberion wrote:
Torryn wrote:

Heh, the song is real funny Howie! I would even consider putting it on youtube.

Anyway, quick question from a starting bard here. As a melee human bard, which main weapon should I choose? I have seen people suggest the Falchion, but doesn't it only get better then the greatsword when you get the improved critical feat?

Why are you wasting feats on two-handed weapons?

You'll want a rapier or longsword to begin with.

If you're dex is higher than strength then you could go weapon finesse with the rapier but you're probably better off getting a shortbow (longbow if an elf) and staying off the front-line.

You'll probably find Treantmonk's Guide to Pathfinder Bards quite interesting reading as well.

There is always heirloom weapon to get a free proficiency, or half orc racial falchion.

A spear makes a great 2 handed weapon for those limmitted to simple weapons. Reach goes well on the bard.

The bard can handle himself just fine in the front line. Hell, a couple of the archtypes are based off of it.


Thanks for all the tips, guys! Those came really fast.

I have read the guide before, but it did not really answer my question, which is why I came here looking for advice.
If I use a longsword then I should use it 2 handed, and when casting spells hold it in one arm as a free action, right?
Also, what weapon should I ake if I get the Heirloom Weapon trait?


Torryn wrote:

Thanks for all the tips, guys! Those came really fast.

I have read the guide before, but it did not really answer my question, which is why I came here looking for advice.
If I use a longsword then I should use it 2 handed, and when casting spells hold it in one arm as a free action, right?
Also, what weapon should I ake if I get the Heirloom Weapon trait?

Falchion is great, but not so great as to waste a feat on a proficiency. Stick to the longsword, and use it two-handed for greater damage.


Thanks, amorangias!


Sorry I am not editing my post, I can't see it unless I'm writing a new one for some reason 0.0
Is falchion great enough to waste a trait on a proficiency?

Sovereign Court

I never liked falchions my, self..if you're looking for damage output, either get a greatsword, or a falcata...


If you want critical feats Scimitar, Falcata are best (Scimitar for the critical range, falcata for the multiplier)

Don't discount Kophesh or a reach trip wpn.
Adding your wpn enhancement to a trip attempt is nice


Why use the scimitar which bards don't have proficiency with when you can take the rapier though?

Liberty's Edge

Wolfsnap wrote:


Bards don't have to sing. Our group's bard took "Oratory" as his performance skill (he's basically a diplomat), so he gives stirring speeches and tells rousing stories during combat. I suppose you could even choose "comedy" as a performance skill, if you wanted to go that route.

Oh, I know they don't have to <i>sing</i>... I just can't imagine myself engaging in any kind of artistic performance in a battle. It isn't a problem with the class, it's a problem with my imagination.

-Kle.


Nothing about bardic performance actually requires performance -- just a visual component or an audible one (sometimes both).

Simply put an, "Outward to Glory!" works, just as well as, "For FREEDOM!" or "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"

It's all good.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:

"Bards suck."

I don't "get" bards. I really don't. I've never played a bard, barely read the description....they seem cool, I just haven't bothered to take a look.

I can only tell you to check the 1989 movie Henry V (from a Shakespeare play) with Kenneth Branagh or Cyrano de Bergerac (1990 movie from a Rostand play) with Gérard Depardieu.

Not a single song or music playing but the speeches are so unbelievably well presented that they drive the warlike "courage inspiration".

Liberty's Edge

Slime wrote:

....or Cyrano de Bergerac (1990 movie from a Rostand play) with Gérard Depardieu.

Not a single song or music playing but the speeches are so unbelievably well presented that they drive the warlike "courage inspiration".

The 1950 version with José Ferrer (<click) is hands-down the best version on celluloid -- he won the Oscar for the role.

(Note the very long camera takes...you try memorizing those lines!)


Abraham spalding wrote:

Nothing about bardic performance actually requires performance -- just a visual component or an audible one (sometimes both).

I'm going to play a bard soon. I have taken the Archivist variant, as we need someone to disarm traps.

As the Archivist replaces Versatile Performance with Lore master, is there any reason to take any rank in the Perform skills?

Liberty's Edge

angelroble wrote:

I'm going to play a bard soon. I have taken the Archivist variant, as we need someone to disarm traps.

As the Archivist replaces Versatile Performance with Lore master, is there any reason to take any rank in the Perform skills?

You can use them to make money, and I think you may need one rank in one (I reccomend Oratory) to do the whole Bardic Performance thing (the rules are ambiguous), but aside from that single rank, no.


I've always liked the whip and now the scorpion whip (which does real damage)in the adventures armory if you already have a front line doer. With 15 foot combat range, the option to Aid another for an extra +2, and disarm/trip it is a hard weapon to not have on your belt. Considering Bards are the only class that get the free Prof for it. :)

Back in 3.5 with Heroes of Battle, Bards used to be really jerks if you put them in charge of an archer block. The massive bonuses made their units evil things to fight.

Scarab Sages

Someday I'm gonna play in an all bard party...

Someday...


Davor wrote:

Someday I'm gonna play in an all bard party...

Someday...

I was planning on running a "Poduene Idol" campaign where the PCs were musicians or roadies. Kinda like those old cartoons on CN :) .

Grand Lodge

Klebert L. Hall wrote:

Oh, I know they don't have to <i>sing</i>... I just can't imagine myself engaging in any kind of artistic performance in a battle. It isn't a problem with the class, it's a problem with my imagination.

-Kle.

Then dance with a sword or a whip. Beautiful and dangerous.


Abraham spalding wrote:

Nothing about bardic performance actually requires performance -- just a visual component or an audible one (sometimes both).

Simply put an, "Outward to Glory!" works, just as well as, "For FREEDOM!" or "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"

It's all good.

I always wanted to play a bard with Perform (painting) or Perform (piano), myself.

"Hey, everybody! Stop fighting for a sec, and look at what I drew!"

Bards are awesome. In my group, a party without a bard was extremely rare.


Klebert L. Hall wrote:

Oh, I know they don't have to <i>sing</i>... I just can't imagine myself engaging in any kind of artistic performance in a battle. It isn't a problem with the class, it's a problem with my imagination.

-Kle.

I think oratory or singing (what would warcries fall under, btw?) could work... perhaps also horns or drums.


The Shaman wrote:
Klebert L. Hall wrote:

Oh, I know they don't have to <i>sing</i>... I just can't imagine myself engaging in any kind of artistic performance in a battle. It isn't a problem with the class, it's a problem with my imagination.

-Kle.
I think oratory or singing (what would warcries fall under, btw?) could work... perhaps also horns or drums.

Perform (Comedy) jokes, wise cracks, boofnery, slapstick. What good hero doesn't have a glib tongue.


Dorje Sylas wrote:
The Shaman wrote:
Klebert L. Hall wrote:

Oh, I know they don't have to <i>sing</i>... I just can't imagine myself engaging in any kind of artistic performance in a battle. It isn't a problem with the class, it's a problem with my imagination.

-Kle.
I think oratory or singing (what would warcries fall under, btw?) could work... perhaps also horns or drums.
Perform (Comedy) jokes, wise cracks, boofnery, slapstick. What good hero doesn't have a glib tongue.

Quite a few iirc, and most reserve it for other occasions. Mind you, a bard inspiring courage by smack-talking about the enemy could be quite fun. You could even have a battle rap duel between bards on the opposing sides :).


The best bard I've ever seen is Eddie from the game Brutal legend. After playing that game, I wanted to make a bard based on heavy metal soooo bad it hurt. That or a priest of the Metal Gods.


Torryn wrote:
Why use the scimitar which bards don't have proficiency with when you can take the rapier though?

Because the rapier can't be used two-handed for extra damage. Personally, I like half-elven bards with the Ancestral Arms racial trait, though you can't get scimitar with that.

After I started playing with a Bard in Neverwinter Nights 2, I had to ask myself why all my characters weren't bards. And Pathfinder made them (for the most part) even more awesome.


Miryam wrote:
Klebert L. Hall wrote:

Oh, I know they don't have to <i>sing</i>... I just can't imagine myself engaging in any kind of artistic performance in a battle. It isn't a problem with the class, it's a problem with my imagination.

-Kle.
Then dance with a sword or a whip. Beautiful and dangerous.

Stop! Warhammer time!

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