Pazuzu


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


Hello,
for the demon lord, Pazuzu, has it the similar ability to gain a wish if a character says this name, three times ?

Thanks for your future answer.

Grand Lodge

I've never heard this -- yet I'm not sure how it could affect a game so I can't imagine it's ever been dealt with.

I'm curious to know what (who) you're referring to with this "similar ability."

Pazuzu and the other god-like Powers are so beyond mere 9th level spells that, even if saying his name gave him a Wish, it would be meaningless to him. It kinda seems like giving a 20th level wizard a free 0 level spell for saying his name.
What would a 20th level wizard want with a free 0 level spell?

Oh, and by the way,

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I'n 3.5 and earlier saying his name would call his attention to you if done 3 times. I understand he was I'n the habit of offering paladins wishes and twisting them so the paladin would fall. the bait being he did not twist the first one.

I don't know if this was brought over to pathfinder they do not seem to have done ALOT with him yet I think.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 8

As I understood it, there's a chance Pazuzu-- or some projection of him-- will show up to grant a wish if someone calls out his name three times. That chance is based pretty much entirely on Pazuzu's own whims, though he typically shows up for the purer, more innocent people that cry out for him in desperation. I'm fairly sure he can hear anyone on any plane call out his name, but it's pretty much on his own whim if he shows up. He is a Demon Lord after all; beings of pure malevolent chaos are not known for their reliability.

That's what I can remember from various 3.5 and 3.P books. Check this book for the Golarion version of Pazuzu if you're keen on keeping to the letter of the lore for the setting. Otherwise, speak his name 3 times, DM decides if Pazuzu is feeling frisky and shows.

Edit: Mojorat's right from what I remember. Pazuzu is almost guaranteed to show up if there's a chance of baiting a paladin into falling.

Grand Lodge

Ahhh, so the OP is asking if Pazuzu would "grant" a Wish if you say his name -- my bad; I should've realized that.

I think it would have to be something more than just "Pazuzu, Pazuzu, Pazuzu!" Maybe a desperate prayer, a mundane invocation. And I think Pazuzu would have an Avatar or some kind of Projection of himself, like Shiverscar said, do it.


W E Ray wrote:

Ahhh, so the OP is asking if Pazuzu would "grant" a Wish if you say his name -- my bad; I should've realized that.

I think it would have to be something more than just "Pazuzu, Pazuzu, Pazuzu!" Maybe a desperate prayer, a mundane invocation. And I think Pazuzu would have an Avatar or some kind of Projection of himself, like Shiverscar said, do it.

Pazuzu was how Pun-Pun got started. Because people assumed DMs wouldn't have Pazuzu screw over Pun-Pun, which was stupid.

Grand Lodge

Wasn't PunPun the CR3 Kobold that was built, RAW, as a Divine Rank 1 deity, as evidence at how grossly broken all the WotC splat books made D&D 3.5???

I thought the key gimmick, pure RAW of course, was that since PunPun was reptilian he qualified for a Racial Feat that allowed Bear's Endurance and all those others to stack with each other to infinity.


W E Ray wrote:

Wasn't PunPun the CR3 Kobold that was built, RAW, as a Divine Rank 1 deity, as evidence at how grossly broken all the WotC splat books made D&D 3.5???

I thought the key gimmick, pure RAW of course, was that since PunPun was reptilian he qualified for a Racial Feat that allowed Bear's Endurance and all those others to stack with each other to infinity.

It involved a lot of convoluted wishing using a venerable level 1 kobold to weasel the signature ability of the sarukh, a creator race in Forgotten Realms, and work out limitless stats. The build made a number of unrealistic assumptions to work, such as the wish granters (Pazuzu and an Efreet) to not twist the wishes, as well as assuming that a creature that gained this ability of a sarukh would not become immune to it (sarukh were immune to the ability specifically to prevent them gaming the system in this manner, and since WoTC didn't think anyone would ever attempt to get the ability for themselves, they never mentioned what would happen if another creature got ahold of the ability.)

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

On Golarion, I don't believe he grants wishes. He's more about possessing you and making you do evil stuff. Book of the Damned 2 sez:

"--it is said Pazuzu can hear his name when an innocent speaks it unknowingly, and that this may be all that is needed to invite possession by the demon."

The other mention of speaking his name is the final boon Pazuzu worshipers get. If you speak Pazuzu's name three times in the presence of a cultist of Pazuzu, they can cast a quickened charm monster on the you that bypasses protection from evil.

So Pazuzu worshipers probably do go around telling people that if you speak his name three times, he'll come grant you a wish. It's just a big fat lie to give them a chance to take over your brain.

Sczarni

"It is said that just saying Pazuzu's name is enough to invite the demon lord's unfriendly attention." Is all the wiki says on the matter - from Lords of Chaos and the demon lords entry in Decent into Madness.


Brotato wrote:


It involved a lot of convoluted wishing using a venerable level 1 kobold to weasel the signature ability of the sarukh, a creator race in Forgotten Realms, and work out limitless stats. The build made a number of unrealistic assumptions to work, such as the wish granters (Pazuzu and an Efreet) to not twist the wishes, as well as assuming that a creature that gained this ability of a sarukh would not become immune to it (sarukh were immune to the ability specifically to prevent them gaming the system in this manner, and since WoTC didn't think anyone would ever attempt to get the ability for themselves, they never mentioned what would happen if another creature got ahold of the ability.)

The original PunPun was done at level 5 and did not need a wish.

Also I bolded the most relevant part of your talk about Sarukh....


A sorceress in our campaign once called on Pazuzu in an attempt to have him remove another demon.

It was not, perhaps, her wisest choice ever.


Ughbash wrote:


The original PunPun was done at level 5 and did not need a wish.

Also I bolded the most relevant part of your talk about Sarukh....

It was also proven in the thread that the original PunPun used a flaw in RaW that was subsequently fixed in errata, but ignore by anyone that wanted PunPun to work.


Brotato wrote:
Ughbash wrote:


The original PunPun was done at level 5 and did not need a wish.

Also I bolded the most relevant part of your talk about Sarukh....

It was also proven in the thread that the original PunPun used a flaw in RaW that was subsequently fixed in errata, but ignore by anyone that wanted PunPun to work.

Have not looked at PunPun for a while?

What was rewritten?

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