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Celestial Healer wrote:And it is technically incorrect because q, v, and x are not part of modern Polish alphabet (though the word quiz somewhat sneaked into the Polish language, as did vel, though fax should be written faks instead). Also, it's a gramatical mess. "Stróż...Drejk wrote:NobodysHome wrote:Now I started wonder and it occured to me that I don't recall existence of Polish equivalent of a sentence that would use all the letters. We have a tad more characters than the basic Latin alphabet, though all are merely modifications of Latin characters.One of NobodysHome's Major Pet Peeves: People who use tried-and-true phrases incorrectly to the point that they no longer serve the purpose they're supposed to.
Today's Example: "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog."
This is a short sentence that uses every letter of the alphabet: A 35-letter sentence that uses all 26 letters. (And yes, I've even read up on attempts at other sentences that try to do it in fewer letters, but this one is still the most memorable.)
The sheer number of times this is put in the past tense ("The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog") drives me to distraction. Not only is it one letter longer, but WHERE'S THE S?!?!?!?!?!
There are others that annoy me ("I could care less." "Oh, really? So you do care?"), but this one is a simple check of all the letters in the alphabet (really important when buying an old-school typewriter) that people have started misusing so that it no longer serves its original purpose.
Grr...
It’s a pangram.
One that has gotten some attention on social media is this gem: “Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.” 29 letters compared to the 33 letters in the classic example NH gave. Of course, “the quick brown fox” is much easier to teach to children.
The Wiki article gives an example in Polish: “ Stróż pchnął kość w quiz gędźb vel fax myjń.”
Apparently the Polish author prided themself in using the letters that only appear in loan words as well.
These “perfect pangrams” are always difficult to parse. They cite an example in English that is truly 26 letters: “Cwm fjord bank glyphs vext quiz.” That is theoretically an English sentence, but few English speakers could actually tell you what it means.

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Apparently the Polish author prided themself in using the letters that only appear in loan words as well.
These “perfect pangrams” are always difficult to parse. They cite an example in English that is truly 26 letters: “Cwm fjord bank glyphs vext quiz.” That is theoretically an English sentence, but few English speakers could actually tell you what it means.
I'm going to come right out and say, "No, Welsh is not a language we borrow from."
Yeah, the Cambridge dictionary accepts it, but the English at least live remotely close to Wales. We 'Merikans reject it!
(I'll accept Old English because it's funny. But Welsh? Never!!!)

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Celestial Healer wrote:Apparently the Polish author prided themself in using the letters that only appear in loan words as well.
These “perfect pangrams” are always difficult to parse. They cite an example in English that is truly 26 letters: “Cwm fjord bank glyphs vext quiz.” That is theoretically an English sentence, but few English speakers could actually tell you what it means.
I'm going to come right out and say, "No, Welsh is not a language we borrow from."
Yeah, the Cambridge dictionary accepts it, but the English at least live remotely close to Wales. We 'Merikans reject it!
(I'll accept Old English because it's funny. But Welsh? Never!!!)
The painful part to me (apart from the use of “vext”, which is nonstandard archaic silliness) is that you would almost never use “cwm” outside of a Welsh context and you would almost never use “fjord” outside a Norwegian context, and yet there they are, side by side. The sentence is geologically and geographically suspect, even if it can be parsed grammatically.

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NobodysHome wrote:The painful part to me (apart from the use of “vext”, which is nonstandard archaic silliness) is that you would almost never use “cwm” outside of a Welsh context and you would almost never use “fjord” outside a Norwegian context, and yet there they are, side by side. The sentence is geologically and geographically suspect, even if it can be parsed grammatically.Celestial Healer wrote:Apparently the Polish author prided themself in using the letters that only appear in loan words as well.
These “perfect pangrams” are always difficult to parse. They cite an example in English that is truly 26 letters: “Cwm fjord bank glyphs vext quiz.” That is theoretically an English sentence, but few English speakers could actually tell you what it means.
I'm going to come right out and say, "No, Welsh is not a language we borrow from."
Yeah, the Cambridge dictionary accepts it, but the English at least live remotely close to Wales. We 'Merikans reject it!
(I'll accept Old English because it's funny. But Welsh? Never!!!)
I dunno; Monty Python introduced "Pining for the fjords" into the popular lexicon, and the popularity of Marvel Comics' rendition of Thor makes fjord acceptable to me; I see it relatively frequently, especially in APs based in northern climes.
Similarly, with the popularity of Shakespeare, "Vext" is a word I've heard before.
But "cwm"? I think if you tried that at an American Scrabble table the little old grandma across the table from you would toss her whiskey sour in your face and beat you stupid with her 18-ounce steel-studded coin purse.

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Celestial Healer wrote:Apparently the Polish author prided themself in using the letters that only appear in loan words as well.
These “perfect pangrams” are always difficult to parse. They cite an example in English that is truly 26 letters: “Cwm fjord bank glyphs vext quiz.” That is theoretically an English sentence, but few English speakers could actually tell you what it means.
I'm going to come right out and say, "No, Welsh is not a language we borrow from."
Yeah, the Cambridge dictionary accepts it, but the English at least live remotely close to Wales. We 'Merikans reject it!
(I'll accept Old English because it's funny. But Welsh? Never!!!)
I believe it means "the queen has stodgy knickers".
Whatever that means.

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OK, quickly learning the disadvantage of vaccination: I'm a hermit.
I've always been happy to sit in the house 5-6 days a week, only leaving for my daily exercise and to go to the corner store. Going out and socializing 1 day a week is plenty enough for me, and since GothBard's a social butterfly I used to have to occasionally go out twice a week.
With everyone we know vaccinated and the pent-up frustrations of 14 months of being locked indoors, everyone wants to be doing something in-person every single day. Last weekend was shopping with Shiro, dinner out with Shiro, and tiki bar with Shiro on Saturday, then at Shiro's for gaming on Sunday and another dinner out. Monday we had a group of teenagers over, and Tuesday was game night with a guest. Last night was another tiki bar run. This Saturday is a Goth fair, and Sunday's another game at Shiro's, and another of GothBard's friends is planning stuff for this Friday and Monday the 31st.
So, I know you're all desperate to get out, but please remember that us introverts were perfectly happy during the pandemic, and we'd like to be eased slowly back into a more "normal" social life, not dragged out kicking and screaming every time two of you extroverts find out you have slots on your schedules.

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not dragged out kicking and screaming every time two of you extroverts find out you have slots on your schedules.
Negotiating skills. Boundaries. Just say no. If you don't have any open slots, don't create them just for the extroverts. Live and let live.
It's not on other people to read your mind or to curtail their own social life. You being unhappy with your ability to set boundaries is not other people's fault. If you're going to whine, place the blame on the right person.
Says the introvert who had to make up a personal rule that she must force herself to get together with other people at least every other weekend, because weekends alone are so awesome.
I feel your pain, but it's not their fault

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NobodysHome wrote:not dragged out kicking and screaming every time two of you extroverts find out you have slots on your schedules.
Negotiating skills. Boundaries. Just say no. If you don't have any open slots, don't create them just for the extroverts. Live and let live.
It's not on other people to read your mind or to curtail their own social life. You being unhappy with your ability to set boundaries is not other people's fault. If you're going to whine, place the blame on the right person.
Says the introvert who had to make up a personal rule that she must force herself to get together with other people at least every other weekend, because weekends alone are so awesome.
I feel your pain, but it's not their fault
Marriage is fundamentally different in that the negotiations are much harder. Saying, "No," to a friend is easy. Saying, "No," to your spouse has all kinds of repercussions. Is it OK if they go without you? Will they have as much fun?
The difficulty is that GothBard feels guilty when she goes places without me, so we're in a constant series of negotiations as to how much we go out. It would be MUCH easier if she was happy leaving me at home, but she's not. And I want her to be happy, so I go out more often than I'd like to.
Marriage is an eternity of negotiations, compromise, and concessions. At this point she's been locked up for 14 months, so it's more reasonable for me to make more concessions. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it.
EDIT: And yes, I am frequently guilty of hyperbole. I do not get "dragged kicking and screaming", but it's more along the lines of:
GothBard: Oh, oh! I can meet up with xxx on Wednesday night! Can we go?
NobodysHome: But we were just out on Saturday and Sunday? Can you go without me?
GB: If I go without you I have to be careful what I order because I'll have to drive home, and I'd really like you to meet xxx, so it would be a lot nicer if you'd come.
NH: Well, if I come on Wednesday, can you not schedule anything for Friday?
GB: Deal!
So it's just a lot of pressure to go out, and a lot of pushing back to reduce it to a tolerable level. No kicking nor screaming involved.

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CrystalSeas wrote:NobodysHome wrote:not dragged out kicking and screaming every time two of you extroverts find out you have slots on your schedules.
Negotiating skills. Boundaries. Just say no. If you don't have any open slots, don't create them just for the extroverts. Live and let live.
It's not on other people to read your mind or to curtail their own social life. You being unhappy with your ability to set boundaries is not other people's fault. If you're going to whine, place the blame on the right person.
Says the introvert who had to make up a personal rule that she must force herself to get together with other people at least every other weekend, because weekends alone are so awesome.
I feel your pain, but it's not their fault
Marriage is fundamentally different in that the negotiations are much harder. Saying, "No," to a friend is easy. Saying, "No," to your spouse has all kinds of repercussions. Is it OK if they go without you? Will they have as much fun?
The difficulty is that GothBard feels guilty when she goes places without me, so we're in a constant series of negotiations as to how much we go out. It would be MUCH easier if she was happy leaving me at home, but she's not. And I want her to be happy, so I go out more often than I'd like to.
Marriage is an eternity of negotiations, compromise, and concessions. At this point she's been locked up for 14 months, so it's more reasonable for me to make more concessions. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it.
EDIT: And yes, I am frequently guilty of hyperbole. I do not get "dragged kicking and screaming", but it's more along the lines of:
GothBard: Oh, oh! I can meet up with xxx on Wednesday night! Can we go?
NobodysHome: But we were just out on Saturday and Sunday? Can you go without me?
GB: If I go without you I have to be careful what I order because I'll have to drive home, and I'd really like you to meet xxx, so it would be a lot nicer if you'd...
Ha! Welcome to my marriage, except with the rolls reversed.

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Ha! Welcome to my marriage, except with the rolls reversed.
I think it's a far more general, "The difference between a 3-year marriage and a 30-year marriage": Are you going to expect the other person to adapt to be perfectly compatible with you, or are you going to accept that the two of you will have some fundamental differences that you have to constantly negotiate through, and sometimes those negotiations won't end up in your favor? I've been "winning" for 14 months. It's time to lose for a while. And gripe about it.

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captain yesterday wrote:Ha! Welcome to my marriage, except with the rolls reversed.I think it's a far more general, "The difference between a 3-year marriage and a 30-year marriage": Are you going to expect the other person to adapt to be perfectly compatible with you, or are you going to accept that the two of you will have some fundamental differences that you have to constantly negotiate through, and sometimes those negotiations won't end up in your favor? I've been "winning" for 14 months. It's time to lose for a while. And gripe about it.
Yup, we're going through something like that, in my case I've been the primary person to leave the house for shopping and work so I've actually had a substantial amount of personal interaction with the world at large, while the General has been basically sequestered in the house and our yard (which is actually pretty nice and the primary reason we live here) so she cannot wait until we get our final vaccine this weekend and can get out and go places after the prescribed waiting period.
But, generally speaking, I'm the social one and she's the introvert.

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NobodysHome wrote:captain yesterday wrote:Ha! Welcome to my marriage, except with the rolls reversed.I think it's a far more general, "The difference between a 3-year marriage and a 30-year marriage": Are you going to expect the other person to adapt to be perfectly compatible with you, or are you going to accept that the two of you will have some fundamental differences that you have to constantly negotiate through, and sometimes those negotiations won't end up in your favor? I've been "winning" for 14 months. It's time to lose for a while. And gripe about it.Yup, we're going through something like that, in my case I've been the primary person to leave the house for shopping and work so I've actually had a substantial amount of personal interaction with the world at large, while the General has been basically sequestered in the house and our yard (which is actually pretty nice and the primary reason we live here) so she cannot wait until we get our final vaccine this weekend and can get out and go places after the prescribed waiting period.
But, generally speaking, I'm the social one and she's the introvert.
I think the hilarious part is that I'm a horrific mother hen type, so while I mislike going out, I vastly prefer the kids to bring their friends here so that I know they're all safe and sound. "Wouldn't you rather be in a warm living room with a 75" TV and lots of microwaveable Costco food than out in a dark park at midnight?"
I'm an introvert who prefers to have lots of teenagers in his home so that he knows they're all safe.
Even scarier, all the kids' friends know my motivations and think I'm the coolest dad ever. Which will probably make lisamarlene snort coffee out of her nose, but teenagers appreciate being:
(1) Respected
(2) Cared about

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captain yesterday wrote:NobodysHome wrote:captain yesterday wrote:Ha! Welcome to my marriage, except with the rolls reversed.I think it's a far more general, "The difference between a 3-year marriage and a 30-year marriage": Are you going to expect the other person to adapt to be perfectly compatible with you, or are you going to accept that the two of you will have some fundamental differences that you have to constantly negotiate through, and sometimes those negotiations won't end up in your favor? I've been "winning" for 14 months. It's time to lose for a while. And gripe about it.Yup, we're going through something like that, in my case I've been the primary person to leave the house for shopping and work so I've actually had a substantial amount of personal interaction with the world at large, while the General has been basically sequestered in the house and our yard (which is actually pretty nice and the primary reason we live here) so she cannot wait until we get our final vaccine this weekend and can get out and go places after the prescribed waiting period.
But, generally speaking, I'm the social one and she's the introvert.
I think the hilarious part is that I'm a horrific mother hen type, so while I mislike going out, I vastly prefer the kids to bring their friends here so that I know they're all safe and sound. "Wouldn't you rather be in a warm living room with a 75" TV and lots of microwaveable Costco food than out in a dark park at midnight?"
I'm an introvert who prefers to have lots of teenagers in his home so that he knows they're all safe.
Even scarier, all the kids' friends know my motivations and think I'm the coolest dad ever. Which will probably make lisamarlene snort coffee out of her nose, but teenagers appreciate being:
(1) Respected
(2) Cared about
Yes, that's the General to a T.

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I just read about the Texas-related thing that (I assume was what) LisaMarlene alluded to a couple of pages back.
Without going into detail, good grief, good grief.
There are all sorts of reasons to say "good grief" about the news out of Texas right now.
In the past two weeks, our state legislature has enacted a statewide ban on homeless encampments, a fetal heartbeat bill, and our governor has banned schools from continuing to mandate masks after June 4th even though children under 12 most likely won't be eligible for the vaccine until late fall or winter. Bills currently in the works but not yet law include a ban on the teaching of critical race theory in schools, a bill to legalize concealed carry of firearms without a permit, and a bill that would ban medical professionals from offering puberty blockers or hormone treatment to trans youth.
So the fact that the governor decided that the unemployed in Texas do not need the $300/week in supplemental Federal benefits, because there are "plenty of jobs" (never mind the fact that the lion's share of the jobs available are minimum wage service sector jobs, i.e. 7.25/hour) seems, well, an obvious bit of heinous f***ery when there is so much far more heinous f***ery going on.

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captain yesterday wrote:Ha! Welcome to my marriage, except with the rolls reversed.I think it's a far more general, "The difference between a 3-year marriage and a 30-year marriage": Are you going to expect the other person to adapt to be perfectly compatible with you, or are you going to accept that the two of you will have some fundamental differences that you have to constantly negotiate through, and sometimes those negotiations won't end up in your favor? I've been "winning" for 14 months. It's time to lose for a while. And gripe about it.
The most important part is at the end.

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OK, quickly learning the disadvantage of vaccination: I'm a hermit.
I've always been happy to sit in the house 5-6 days a week, only leaving for my daily exercise and to go to the corner store. Going out and socializing 1 day a week is plenty enough for me, and since GothBard's a social butterfly I used to have to occasionally go out twice a week.
With everyone we know vaccinated and the pent-up frustrations of 14 months of being locked indoors, everyone wants to be doing something in-person every single day. Last weekend was shopping with Shiro, dinner out with Shiro, and tiki bar with Shiro on Saturday, then at Shiro's for gaming on Sunday and another dinner out. Monday we had a group of teenagers over, and Tuesday was game night with a guest. Last night was another tiki bar run. This Saturday is a Goth fair, and Sunday's another game at Shiro's, and another of GothBard's friends is planning stuff for this Friday and Monday the 31st.
So, I know you're all desperate to get out, but please remember that us introverts were perfectly happy during the pandemic, and we'd like to be eased slowly back into a more "normal" social life, not dragged out kicking and screaming every time two of you extroverts find out you have slots on your schedules.
I found out yesterday that I have become much more of an introvert than I used to be. It's weird. I got home and was so daggum exhausted of everything.

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OK, admittedly, I call myself the "Technical Lead" for our division because everyone comes to me with their questions, but this one was impressive:
An instructor preparing to teach on an entirely different product encountered an error and contacted the author of the course. The author couldn't figure out what was wrong and (without my permission) said that I would be "the best contact for this issue".
So, a product I've never used, an environment I can't log into, and an error in lab instructions I can't see.
OK, I'm good. But I'm not THAT good.

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Long day. Did my virtual kindergarten commencement online, then went to the kids' houses to do their presentations, then came back to my classroom, scrubbed out and moved the turtle tank, helped clean and beautify the Middle School building for graduation tonight, and then worked on my new classroom design for August for the rest of the day. And now I just dropped my own kids off of at ballet and I'm off to the grocery store.
I'm tired and grungy but the mom of one of my kindergarteners gave me a really nice bottle of wine as a thank you gift. So there's that.