New player looking for Inquisitor advice


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Hi all, new player to the Pathfinder games, after having played 3.0 like 6-7 years ago briefly. We're about to do the Serpent's Skull adventure path, and I've kinda decided on playing a LE half-orc Inquisitor native to Sargava. I was wondering if anyone had any advice on either RPing an Inquisitor or how to handle them in combat. I was anticipating on playing him as a melee caster type, you know, buff himself and then run head first into combat. Am I on the right track, or is this something that would get an Inquisitor killed? Thanks for any input! =)


Matriq wrote:
Hi all, new player to the Pathfinder games, after having played 3.0 like 6-7 years ago briefly. We're about to do the Serpent's Skull adventure path, and I've kinda decided on playing a LE half-orc Inquisitor native to Sargava. I was wondering if anyone had any advice on either RPing an Inquisitor or how to handle them in combat. I was anticipating on playing him as a melee caster type, you know, buff himself and then run head first into combat. Am I on the right track, or is this something that would get an Inquisitor killed? Thanks for any input! =)

Have you decided upon a god and domain yet? For evil, I kind of like Destruction, Ferocity, or Deception domain/sub-domains.

Asmodeus LE Deception
Norgorber NE Deception
Urgathoa NE Ferocity
Zon-Kuthon LE Destruction

If you want the Travel domain, as many seem to reccomend, you could go with Abadar LN but I just really think he is kinda boring as a god. :) After reading CotCT AP, I really like Zon-Kuthon, so I would lean this way. Besides, destruction is coolies.

Greg


Greg Wasson wrote:

Have you decided upon a god and domain yet? For evil, I kind of like Destruction, Ferocity, or Deception domain/sub-domains.

Asmodeus LE Deception
Norgorber NE Deception
Urgathoa NE Ferocity
Zon-Kuthon LE Destruction

If you want the Travel domain, as many seem to reccomend, you could go with Abadar LN but I just really think he is kinda boring as a god. :) After reading CotCT AP, I really like Zon-Kuthon, so I would lean this way. Besides, destruction is coolies.

Greg

For story purposes, I was actually thinking of going with Abadar as my deity, because the premise of my character was going to be that he was kind of like the Punisher, a bounty hunter. Since Abadar is the God of Law, my guy is going to go around hunting down people who break the law, and getting rid of them, and I thought that the travel domain made sense for someone who was going to be doing this. I figured if he was hunting down people who broke the law, then at least he would have a reason to work with other characters, even if they were of some other good-alignments. I'm mostly hoping no one wants to play a paladin lol.


why evil?? from what you just described i thought LN. maybe this isnt the right place. but why do players chose EVIL??? to me evil says you only care about yourself. if your in a group, a evil PC would turn on the group when ever it serves the evil PC best.

i dont intend to judge, or rant, but why be evil??


Liongold wrote:

why evil?? from what you just described i thought LN. maybe this isnt the right place. but why do players chose EVIL??? to me evil says you only care about yourself. if your in a group, a evil PC would turn on the group when ever it serves the evil PC best.

i dont intend to judge, or rant, but why be evil??

Well my thought process was that if he wanted to go around killing people because they were evil, then he would have to be evil himself. He has no intention of apprehending criminals or seeing that they see an appropriate justice, he just wants to terminate them. I figured that the only way he could get away with that would be if he was Lawful Evil. I was kind of thinking of like Dexter, on TV. He murders people who probably deserve it, but that doesn't make it ok.


i see what you mean if i would place "dexter" on the jugdment scales i would judge him LN. He is a socialpath serial killer, but he does stand up for the weak. he only kills people he judges evil.

im half tempted to judge dexter as good, on a 1-10 scale ide place him 5.5 leaning tward good.

A LG paly kills blindly anything thats "evil". i would judge that paly as evil.

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I would say that Dexter is Lawful Evil. Everything he does is selfish on some level. He would have naturally been Chaotic Evil, but his father trained him to channel his need to kill in a way that would not harm society at large.

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I agree Dexter is LE and the PC sounds like he will like be LE. Or another good example is the Operative in Serenity. He would do what ever it took to make a better world. He knew he would never belong to that world once he made it, but he was doing it for others. He was a great villain. That is the type of personality I would play the PC with. Someone that KNOWS they are a monster and excepts it, but they are doing it so that others can have a good world to live in.

As for the type, it seems most think Inquis work best as a archer. I will be honest I have not really worked on one yet to see what I think they would be effective at so not much help to you there.

Finally welcome to the boards, good luck, and hope you have fun.


Whenever I run evil campaigns the majority, if not all of the PCs need to be LE.


Ok i reread the definions and i would have to change my judgement. depending how you play it. i retract my statement.

ive only seen 1 inquis (he was ranged) played, but i think a melee inquis would be bad a$&.
solo teamwork feats
bane of your choice when ever you want it
judgment...
with a good WISDOM knowleges and init checks could be breezy.


I really like that Operative example, I might end up actually using that as a driving force for the character. Right now my character doesn't even have a ranged weapon, he's got a breastplate, greataxe, and a combat dog, and that's it. It sounds like I might need to at least consider some ranged options though?


I'm currently running a game (not in Golarion) and one of the PCs is an Inquisitor who worships Zon-Kuthon. He is primarily a melee buff character, despite only having a +1 STR mod. He has a +4 DEX mod, which gives him the AC to stand on the front line and not get wiped out.

At level 5, he was doing 20+ dmg with a spiked chain. This required a couple buffs, and the Bane judgement, but he has been quite effective. Note that his effectiveness is limited, as his buffs run out in only a few rounds, but during those few rounds he does damage at the same level as the party's fighter.

Originally, the player was going to use a repeating crossbow, but he keeps rolling 2's for damage. In fact, last week he was chasing his quarry down through a forest and rolled for 2 damage per shot 4 times in a row.

Supposedly he was 'trying to take him alive'... :)


Matriq wrote:
Liongold wrote:

why evil?? from what you just described i thought LN. maybe this isnt the right place. but why do players chose EVIL??? to me evil says you only care about yourself. if your in a group, a evil PC would turn on the group when ever it serves the evil PC best.

i dont intend to judge, or rant, but why be evil??

Well my thought process was that if he wanted to go around killing people because they were evil, then he would have to be evil himself. He has no intention of apprehending criminals or seeing that they see an appropriate justice, he just wants to terminate them. I figured that the only way he could get away with that would be if he was Lawful Evil. I was kind of thinking of like Dexter, on TV. He murders people who probably deserve it, but that doesn't make it ok.

That's more Nogorber or, perhaps even better, Achaekak, not Abadar.


Kortz wrote:
I would say that Dexter is Lawful Evil. Everything he does is selfish on some level. He would have naturally been Chaotic Evil, but his father trained him to channel his need to kill in a way that would not harm society at large.

I think Dexter was at the start of Season 1 Lawful Evil but has worked himself to Lawful Neutral by current season.

Liberty's Edge

voska66 wrote:
Kortz wrote:
I would say that Dexter is Lawful Evil. Everything he does is selfish on some level. He would have naturally been Chaotic Evil, but his father trained him to channel his need to kill in a way that would not harm society at large.
I think Dexter was at the start of Season 1 Lawful Evil but has worked himself to Lawful Neutral by current season.

I wouldn't argue too much with that.

But it's hard to get past that he is still someone whose greatest satisfaction in life is ritually murdering people. I'm not sure that hints of guilt and empathy and a code that mimics justice is enough to move him out of evil territory. I wouldn't argue the case too hard either way. Maybe LN with evil tendencies.


Well I think one of my main concerns is if someone does decide to play a paladin, is there anyway around that if I am playing a LE character? Or is the paladin just either going to try to kill me or refuse to work with me?


Matriq wrote:
Well I think one of my main concerns is if someone does decide to play a paladin, is there anyway around that if I am playing a LE character? Or is the paladin just either going to try to kill me or refuse to work with me?

Depends on how you want to play it, and how they do. When the Paladin may want to show mercy, your code may demand justice and death. This could make for some intese arguments between you and the Paladin. But that is no different than any group. Honestly, it comes down to how much you and that player want that type of in character interaction. Personally, I love these types of conflicts in my parties, and I know other people who absolutely hate them.

Overall, a LE Inquisitor and a LG Paladin don't have to have that much difference of oppinion. As LE, you are likely to believe the ends justifies the means, while the Paladin will believe the means must justify themselves.


Matriq wrote:
Well I think one of my main concerns is if someone does decide to play a paladin, is there anyway around that if I am playing a LE character? Or is the paladin just either going to try to kill me or refuse to work with me?

Don't forget that Paladins can work with evil, as long as it's to overcome a greater evil.

In CotCT...

Spoiler:
the party mix with evil aligned NPC's in order to defeat a greater evil.

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The Council of Thieves AP provides a recommended party including a paladin and a LE worshipper of Asmodeus.


Matriq wrote:
I was anticipating on playing him as a melee caster type, you know, buff himself and then run head first into combat.

Seems that the Inquisitor has roughly the same options/dilemma that a Cleric has- you can put him on the front line, at least for a while, if you build him for it or put him in the back and buff*, debuff*, &/or archer away. You get scads of skill points, so you easily put favored class to hit points. For Feats, Toughness and Heavy Armor Prof. are helpful(though I'm not sure if wearing that screws up your class tricks).

Assuming you're committed to a core party, then its makeup becomes important in how your character operates, i.e. to front line or not to front line.

*Here wands are your friends.


Well right now, at level 1, he's wearing a breastplate and carrying a greataxe. I gave him dodge as his feat, which currently puts hits AC at 19 with 10hp but I still have time to change it if I want to. I was hesitant to give him heavy armor since we are going to be running around the jungle, so I thought a breast plate might be the better choice. I was also planning on taking alot of the power attack type feats, since I can judge to hit anyways. Will this end up making him too squishy in melee combat though?


Matriq wrote:
Well right now, at level 1, he's wearing a breastplate and carrying a greataxe. I gave him dodge as his feat, which currently puts hits AC at 19 with 10hp but I still have time to change it if I want to. I was hesitant to give him heavy armor since we are going to be running around the jungle, so I thought a breast plate might be the better choice. I was also planning on taking alot of the power attack type feats, since I can judge to hit anyways. Will this end up making him too squishy in melee combat though?

I don't know about casters in melee (always a muggle myself), but unless the group is literally going to be running through the jungle, then a breastplate (or any medium armor) will slow him down just as much as heavy armor.


Inquisitors can rock melee hard, unlike clerics, they can get right into it because of judgement.

I'd go with the animal domain (tiger or wolf) for a flank buddy with dpr.
If he regrets his actions a lot and is not cruel for the sake of it you could argue TN.


Matriq wrote:
Will this end up making him too squishy in melee combat though?

I don't think so, especially at low levels where AC 19, IMO, is good. If it becomes a problem, can your party heal you back up? Do you all do multiple fights a day? or tend towards one big one? I think the class of melee casters can usually adapt well, just don't be hesitant to tell the group when you have bug out of the front line. By 6th level and up, getting away from the front line might be more of an issue.

I like Dodge for what you want to do, good catch.

Making me think about this class has me itching to play one! Very versatile.

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