That would be a special cover for the book, not a limited edition cover.
How much is this book going to be? Is it available to pre-order now?
I went to the products page on your website and did not see it at all...is there a link?
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How much is this book going to be? Is it available to pre-order now?
I went to the products page on your website and did not see it at all...is there a link?
Umm...
Perhaps if thou hast readeth a tad more than just the first post, thou would hast not had to have asketh this question...
Just an obsevation ;-p
How much is this book going to be? Is it available to pre-order now?
I went to the products page on your website and did not see it at all...is there a link?Umm...
Perhaps if thou hast readeth a tad more than just the first post, thou would hast not had to have asketh this question...
Just an obsevation ;-p
Sheesh 3 posts up no less.
Really pushing now...but I don't want to miss this bad boy :-D
Is there any chance of a mailing-list to get a pre-order alert?
My first kid's due in April, I won't be on the boards much the next few months after that! :-)
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I am definitely picking this up!
Really glad to hear you'll be keeping the critters that have been converted to PFRPG already as well. Really, really hoping the (mostly) neutral forlarren makes it in, alignment intact, if only to have somethign to point at for precedence.
Also: Corpse orgy! Corpse orgy!
If it's in a Tome of Horrors, it will be in there.
Oh my god...I have to get this! I was never able to find the original ToH books, but now a chance to get all of them? Yes!
And can you imagine hitting someone over the head with this book? It'd flatten their skull.
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Oh my god...I have to get this! I was never able to find the original ToH books, but now a chance to get all of them? Yes!
And can you imagine hitting someone over the head with this book? It'd flatten their skull.
I wonder if it really will match Ptolus' size...
Lift with the legs, not with the back.
ToHC will have more monsters than Ptolus had pages, so I'd wager on ToHC.I wonder if it really will match Ptolus' size...
Lift with the legs, not with the back.
So will it be more or less expensive than Ptolus was? ;)
Awesome thing, this!
A big, bad book full of monsters that is itself a monster? Gimmegimmegimme!
I have some questions and observations:
Art and colour: I, too, prefer colour art, and really like the style Paizo uses, but on a book of this scale, I'd rather not double the already step price, even if it means recycled, black and white art. Even if a lot of the ToH art isn't really my style. Having the old pictures is no reason for me not to get this behemoth.
De luxe cover/binding: I'd be all for this, as long as it doesn't increase the price too much. I mean, if we're already talking about 100 dollars here, another 10 won't be too bad, but another 30 is a different matter.
Shipping: Do you have any ideas what it will cost me to have this monster shipped to Germany? What shipping options are there usually?
Announcement: I'm also all for some sort of newsletter, or any other way to tell us as soon as we can preorder.
I also have one question about the stats update process I wanted to post separately:
I understand that the basic role of critters won't change, but is the update really just a cross-reference with the "monster statistics by CR" table (i.e. make sure that monsters aren't shortchanged in the damage output department or have way too few HP), or will you add the occasional extra ability to special monsters to make them better in their role, the way Paizo did with many critters?
Examples:
Wasn't Ptolus full color?So will it be more or less expensive than Ptolus was? ;)ToHC will have more monsters than Ptolus had pages, so I'd wager on ToHC.I wonder if it really will match Ptolus' size...
Lift with the legs, not with the back.
Yes, but a lot of other factors contribute to price. Paper, binding, print run volume, etc. A small print run of black and white can be more expensive per unit than a large print run of a similarly sized color book. So we'll have to wait and see.
I suspect they will try to keep the price under $100 though.
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The whole faux leather cover idea got me to thinking:
How awesome-albiet-impractical-and-unrealistic would it be to have it printed on bible paper?
You could have this thick tome open at all times on a pedestal next to your bookshelf, surrounded by candles, looking like a convincing in-game prop, reinforcing negative stereotypes from the 80's....
Can you imagine the looks on the faces of your players when you bring that tome out? "Pardon me whilst I consult my monster bible a moment..." :D
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The whole faux leather cover idea got me to thinking:
How awesome-albiet-impractical-and-unrealistic would it be to have it printed on bible paper?
You could have this thick tome open at all times on a pedestal next to your bookshelf, surrounded by candles, looking like a convincing in-game prop, reinforcing negative stereotypes from the 80's....
Honestly if they could add the beasties form Bestiary 1 and 2 just to round out ALL the main monsters I would be using, then HELL YEAH!
Or buy the PDF and go to local printer and get them to print ALL of your monster books onto onion skin and then hand bind the book into a custom leather binder... OH DROOL!
okay we have this massive tome open on a wooden pedestal with candles burning, a "human" skull, a golden chalice with "blood", and ceremonial dagger at hand...
add to that scene a sound track of gregorian chants with occasional Halloween screams and effects!
Wait! Why is everyone packing up their stuff to leave?
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Not too long ago we were all talking about how thick one of the recent Pathfinder hardcovers were to the point it could be used as a lethal weapon. Now this sucker is seriously going to allow for some shield bonuses in addition to incapacitating someone when swung across their head. XD
Definitely looking forward to teasers along the way.
This book will probably be bigger than Ptolus!
Still working on "extras" like faux leather etc. Shipping to Germany is $46 priority mail; guarantee that. That being said, it likely can co-jointly ship with like 5-10 other books in the same box for the same price.
Ouch. Since I just need one book, it would mean I'd eat the cost all by myself. Is priority the only option, or are there cheaper options? Though, when I think of it, Paizo shipments with big books in them are usually not very cheap, either.
I'd get it from amazon.de, but I'm not sure whether they'll get the book at all.
Plus, I want that free PDF, and if I get the book from somewhere else and then buy the PDF, I might end up paying the same.
I guess I'll just order it, then. It's not like books like this come along all the time, so I can afford this.
But just out of curiosity: If I managed to find more people interested in the book from around here, would it be possible to have all our books shipped in one shipment and still give everyone access to his own PDF?
The more I think about this, the more I REALLY want to have this Tome! I'd do a pre-order, for sure, that way I know I'd get one.
[threadjack] As an aside, probably in the next month or so, I'm going to pre-order buy the Slumbering Tsar HC as well.[/threadjack]
W00T![threadjack] As an aside, probably in the next month or so, I'm going to pre-order buy the Slumbering Tsar HC as well.[/threadjack]
Aaawww... I think I made Greg happy.
Glad I could help. :)
Earlier Bill mentioned the manuscript getting to layout (that's me) by May of this year. After me is the final edit and printing so we're probably looking at July, August at the latest barring any big problems.
Oh, and here's a list of the 735 entries culled from the indeces of the 3 Tomes of Horror.
Abyssal Harvester
Abyssal Larva
Abyssal Wolf
Adherer
Aerial Servant
Afanc
Ahlinni (Cackle Bird)
Algoid
Al-mi’raj
Al-mi’raj, Psionic
Amphisbaena
Anemone, Giant Sea
Angel, Monadic Deva
Angel, Movanic Deva
Angel, Empyreal
Animal Lord, Cat Lord
Animal Lord, Mouse Lord
Ant Lion
Apparition
Arach
Arach, Spellbinder Sorcerer
Arcanoplasm
Archer Bush
Archerfish, Giant
Ascomoid
Asrai
Assassin Bug
Astral Shark
Atomie
Arumvorax
Axe Beak
Babbler
Baccae
Banderlog
Baobhan Sith
Barbegazi (Ice Gnome)
Baric
Barracuda
Barrow Wight
Basidirond
Basilisk, Greater
Bat, Doombat
Bat, Mobat
Bedlam
Beetle, Giant Blister
Beetle, Giant Saw-Tooth
Beetle, Giant Boring
Beetle, Giant Death Watch
Beetle, Giant Rhinoceros
Beetle, Giant Slicer
Beetle, Giant Water
Beetle, Requiem
Belabra
Bhuta
Blindheim
Biclops
Blood Hawk
Biclops Hero
Blood Bush
Blood Wight
Bloodsuckle
Bloody Bones
Boalisk
Bog Beast
Bog Creeper
Bog Mummy
Bogeyman
Boggart
Bone Cobbler
Boneneedle
Boneneedle, Greater
Bonesnapper
Bonesucker
Brass Man
Brontotherium
Brownie
Brume
Brykolakas
Buckawn
Bumblebee, Giant (Queen)
Bumblebee, Giant (Worker)
Bunyip
Burning Dervish
Cadaver
Carbuncle
Caribe, Giant
Carrion Moth
Caryatid Column
Caterprism
Caterwaul
Catfish, Giant Electric
Cave Cricket
Cave Fisher
Cave Leech
Cave Lion
Cave Moray
Cerebral Stalker
Cerberus
Chain Worm
Chameleon, Giant
Chameleon, Giant (Horned)
Chameleon, Giant (Rock)
Cherum
Chrystone
Chupacabra
Church Grim
Churr
Cinder Ghoul
Clam, Giant
Clamor
Clockwork, Brain Gear
Clockwork, Drone
Clockwork, Overseer
Clockwork, Parasite
Clockwork, Scout
Clockwork, Swarm
Clockwork, Titan
Clockwork, Warrior
Clubnek
Cobra Flower
Coffer Corpse
Colossus, Jade
Cooshee
Corpse Orgy
Corpse Rook
Corpsespinner
Crab
Crabman
Crag Man
Crayfish
Crimson Basilisk
Crucifixion Spirit
Crypt Thing
Crystallis
Crystalline Horror
Daemon
Dakon
Dark Creeper
Dark Stalker
Darnoc
Death Dog
Death Worm
Decapus
Deer
Demilich
Demiurge
Demodand, Shaggy
Demodand, Slime
Demodand, Tarry
Demon, Aeshma
Demon, Alu-
Demon, Balbon
Demon, Baphomet
Demon, Beluri
Demon, Caizel
Demon, Cambion
Demon, Chaaor
Demon, Choronzon
Demon, Corrupter (Azizou)
Demon, Corrupter (Barizou)
Demon, Corrupter (Geruzou)
Demon, Dagon
Demon, Daraka
Demon, Fraz-Urb’luu
Demon, Gallu
Demon, Gharros
Demon, Greruor
Demon, Jubilex
Demon, Kostchtchie
Demon, Mallor
Demon, Maphistal
Demon, Mehrim
Demon, Mezzalorn
Demon, Nabasu (Demonling)
Demon, Nabasu (Mature)
Demon, Nerizo
Demon, Nysrock
Demon, Ooze (Greater)
Demon, Ooze (Lesser)
Demon, Orcus
Demon, Pazuzu
Demon, Shadow
Demon, Skitterdark
Demon, Sonechard
Demon, Stirge
Demon, Tsathogga
Demonic Knight
Devil, Alastor (Executioner of Hell)
Devil, Amaimon
Devil, Amon
Devil, Baaphel
Devil, Bael
Devil, Blood Reaver
Devil, Caasimolar
Devil, Demoriel
Devil, Flayer
Devil, Geryon
Devil, Ghaddar
Devil, Gorson
Devil, Hellstoker
Devil, Hutijin
Devil, Lilin
Devil, Lilith (Former Queen of Hell)
Devil, Lucifer
Devil, Moloch
Devil, Nupperibo
Devil, Titivilus
Devil, Tormentor
Devil, Xaphan (Duke)
Devil Dog
Diger
Dire Corby
Dire Smilidon
Dire Werewolf
Disenchanter
Dracolisk
Draconid
Dragon, Cloud
Dragon, Dungeon
Dragon, Faerie
Dragon, Glass Wyrm
Dragon, Mist
Dragon, Smoke
Dragon, Wrath
Dragon Horse
Dragonfish
Dragonfly
Dragonnel
Dragonship
Drake, Fire
Drake, Ice
Drake, Salt
Drake, Splinter
Drake, Splinter (Tracker)
Draug
Dream Spectre
Drelb
Dust Digger
Eblis
Ectoplasm
Eel, Electric
Eel, Giant Moray
Elemental, Gravity
Elemental, Negative Energy
Elemental, Positive Energy
Elemental, Psionic
Elemental Cocnstruct, Air
Elemental Cocnstruct, Earth
Elemental Cocnstruct, Fire
Elemental Cocnstruct, Water
Elusa Hound
Elemental Dragon, Air
Elemental Dragon, Earth
Elemental Dragon, Fire
Elemental Dragon, Water
Encephalon Gorger
Executioner’s Hood
Eye Killer
Eye of the Deep
Falcon, Giant
False Spider, Pedipalp
False Spider, Solifugid
Fear Guard
Fen Witch
Fetch
Fire Crab (greater)
Fire Crab (lesser)
Fire Lizard
Fire Nymph
Fire Phantom
Fire Snake
Fire Whale
Firefiend
Flail Snail
Flea, Giant
Flind
Floating Eye
Flumph
Fly, Giant
Fogwarden
Forester’s Bane
Forgotten One
Forlarren
Fox
Frog, Monstrous–Giant
Frog, Monstrous–Giant Dire
Frog, Monstrous–Killer
Frog, Monstrous–Abyssal Dire
Frog, Monstrous–Poisonous
Froghemoth
Frost Man
Fulgurate Mushroom
Fungoid
Fye
Fyr
Gallows Tree
Gallows Tree Zombie
Gambado
Gargoyle, Four-Armed
Gargoyle, Fungus
Gargoyle, Green Guardian
Gargoyle, Margoyle
Gelid Beetle (greater)
Gelid Beetle (lesser)
Genie, Abasheen
Genie, Hawanar
Genie, Marid
Geon
Ghoul, Dust
Ghoul-Stirge
Giant, Bronze
Giant, Cave
Giant, Ferrous
Giant, Jack-In-Irons
Giant, Sand
Giant, Sea
Giant, Smoke
Giant, Volcano
Giant, Wood
Gloom Crawler
Gloomwing
Gnarlwood
Gohl
Golem, Blood
Golden Cat
Golem, Flagstone
Golem, Furnace
Golem, Gelatinous
Golem, Iron Maiden
Golem, Magnesium
Golem, Mummy
Golem, Ooze
Golem, Rope
Golem, Stone Guardian
Golem, Tallow
Golem, Witch Doll
Golem, Wood
Gorbel
Gorgimera
Gorgon, Sthenno
Gorgon, Euryale
Gorilla Bear
Grave Risen
Gray Nisp
Graymalkin
Gremlin
Gremlin Filcher
Grimm
Grimstalker (Banaan)
Grippli
Groaning Spirit
Gronk
Gryph
Guardian Daemon
Gulper Eel
Gutslug
Hag, Pit
Hamster, Giant
Hanged Man
Hangman Tree
Haunt
Helix Moth (larva)
Helix Moth (adult)
Hell Moth
Herald of Tsathogga
Hippocampus
Hippopotamus
Hoar Fox
Hoar Spirit
Hornet, Giant
Horsefly, Giant
Huecuva
Huggermugger
Hyaenodon
Inphidian
Inphidian, Cobra-Back
Inphidian, Common
Inphidian, Dancer
Inphidian, Night Adder
Inphidian, Night Adder Priest
Inphidian, Rattler
Iron Cobra
Jack-o-Lantern
Jaculi
Jaguar
Jellyfish, Monstrous
Jupiter Bloodsucker
Kamadan
Kampfult
Kathlin
Kech
Kelp Devil
Kelpie
Khargra
Killmoulis
Korred
Kuah-Lij
Land Lamprey
Lantern Goat
Lantern Goat, Advanced
Lava Child
Leech, Giant
Leopard, Snow
Leprechaun
Lich Shade
Lightning Treant
Livestone
Living Lake
Lizard, Cavern
Lizard, Rock-horned
Lurker Above
Lynx
Lynx (Caracal)
Lythic
Magmoid
Magnesium Spirit
Mammoth
Mandragora
Mandril
Mantari
Mantidrake
Marble Snake
Margay
Marmoset, Giant
Marsh Jelly
Marsh Jelly, Juiblex-Touched
Mastadon
Mawler
Medusa, Greater
Memory Child
Mephit, Lightning
Mephit, Smoke
Midnight Peddler
Mihstu
Mimi
Mire Brute
Mite, Common
Mite, Pestie
Mongrelman
Moon Dog
Moose
Mortuary Cyclone
Mosquito, Giant
Mountain Lion
Muckdweller
Mud Bog
Mudman
Mummy
Murder-born
Murder Crow
Mustard Jelly
Nazalor
Necrophidius
Nereid
Netherspark
Nilbog
Niln (Vapor Horror)
Nuckalavee
Oakman
Obsidian Minotaur
Ogre
Ogren
Ogrillon
Oil Shark
Oliphant
Onyx Deer
Ooze, Amber
Ooze, Crystal
Ooze, Dark Matter Entropic
Ooze, Entropic
Ooze, Glacial
Ooze, Magma
Ooze, Mercury
Ooze, Metallic
Ooze, Undead
Ooze, Vampiric
Orc, Black
Orc, Black (Priest)
Orc, Blood
Orc, Ghost-Faced
Orc, Greenskin
Orog
Pech
Phantasm
Phantom Stalker
Phasma
Phlogiston
Phooka
Phycomid
Piercer
Pike, Giant
Poltergeist
Proscriber
Protector
Psiwyrm
Pudding, Blood
Pudding, Brown
Pudding, Dun
Pudding, Stone
Pudding, White
Pyrolisk
Quantum
Quasi-Elemental, Acid
Quasi-Elemental, Obsidian
Quickling
Quickwood
Quipper
Racoon
Racoon, Dire
Raggoth
Rakklethorn Toad
Rat, Barrow
Rat, Brain
Rat, Ethereal
Rat, Shadow
Rawbones
Red Jester
Redcap
Reigon
Reliquary Guardian
Renzer (Devilfin)
Retch Hound
Rhinoceros, Wooly
Rhincoreos, Wooly (Elasmotherium)
Riptide Horror
Rock Reptile
Ronus
Ryven
Sabrewing
Sand Kraken
Sand Stalker
Sandling
Sandman
Scarecrow
Scarlet Spider
Screaming Devilkin
Screaming Skull
Scylla
Scythe Horn
Scythe Tree
Sea Serpent, Brine
Sea Serpent, Deep Hunter
Sea Serpent, Fanged
Sea Serpent, Gilded
Sea Serpent, Shipbreaker
Sea Serpent, Spitting
Sea Slug, Giant
Sea Spider, Common
Sea Spider, Pelagos
Sea Wasp, Monstrous
Seahorse, Giant
Sepia Snake
Shadow, Lesser
Shedu
Shedu, Greater
Sheep
Sheet Fungus
Silid
Skeleton
Skeleton, Black
Skin Stitcher
Skulk
Skull Spider
Skulleton
Skunk
Slaad Lord of Entropy
Slaad Lord of the Insane
Slag Worm
Slaughterford
Sleeping Willow
Slime Crawler
Slime Mold
Slithering Tracker
Slorath
Sloth Viper
Slug, Giant
Smilodon (Saber-Toothed Cat)
Smilodon (Homotherium)
Soul Eater
Soul Nibbler
Soul Reaper
Spore Reaper
Spore Rat
Spriggan
Sprite
Squealer
Stegocentipede
Stench Kow
Stingray
Stone Maiden
Stone Roper
Stormwarden
Strangle Weed
Stroke lad
Stunjelly
Stygian Leviathan
Stymphalian Bird
Sudoth
Swarm, Adamantine Wasp
Swarm, Grig
Swarm, Heat
Swarm, Piranha
Swarm, Poisonous Frog
Swarm, Raven
Swarm, Shadow Rat
Swarm, Undead Raven
Swarm, Velvet Ant
Swarm, Warden Jack
Tabaxi
Taer
Tangtal
Tazelwurm
Temporal Crawler
Tendrul
Tenebrous Worm
Tentacled Horror
Tentamort
Thermite
Thorny
Thunder Beast
Thundershrike
Tick
Tiger Barb, Giant
Time Flayer
Tombstone Fairy
Transposer
Trapper
Tri-flower Frond
Troblin
Troll
Tsathar
Tsathar Scourge
Tuatara, Giant
Tumblespark
Tunnel Worm
Turtle, Giant Bog
Turtle, Giant Snapping
Turtle-Shark
Turtle-Shark, Stygian
Ubue
Vapor Dire Rat
Vapor Wasp
Vampire Rose
Vegepygmy
Vilstrak
Volt
Vorin
Vulchling
Wang Liang
Wang Liang Master
Weird, Blood
Weird, Fungus
Weird, Lava
Weird, Lightning
Well Lurker
Whip Jelly
Widow Creeper
Willow Dusk
Wind Walker
Winterbloom
Witch Grass
Witch Tree
Witherstench
Witherweed
Wizard’s Shackle
Wolf, Ghoul
Wolf, Dire Ghoul
Wolf, Shadow
Wolf-in-Sheep’s-Clothing
Wolf-Spider
Woodwose
Yellow Musk Creeper
Yellowjacket, Giant
Yeti
Zombie, Brine
HAZARD
Bookworm
Ear Seeker
Gas Spore
Hound of Ill Omen
Memory Moss
Olive Slime
Phantom
Piercer
Purple Moss
Rot Grub
Russet Mold
Spinal Leech
Symbiotic Jelly
Throat Leech
Twilight Mushrooms
N’GATHAU
Asagin “The Assassin”
Chaadon “The Slayer”
Chaas “The Flayed”
Ghehzi “The Mutilator”
Greixas “The Destroyer”
Modar “The Avenger”
N’hror “The Eater”
Raauka “The Ravager”
Ulaska’t “The Twisted”
Veenes “The Blademistress”
Veruard “The Razor and The Creator”
The Quorom
N’Gathau Creation
TEMPLATES
Abomination
Beast of Chaos
Bleeding Horror
Amphisbaena
Cheitan
Clockwork Creature
Collective Creature
Corpsespin Creature
Deathleech
Debased Fey
Dire Creature
Flame-Spawned Creature
Foo Creature
Landwalker
Mythical Animal
Paleoskeleton Creature
Phase Creature
Plant-Imbued Creature
Ravenous (Eater of Flesh)
Skeleton Warrior
Slime Zombie
Spectral Troll
Spellgorged Zombie
Tenebrous Creature
Therianthrope
Thessalmonster
Thorny
Undead Lord
Zombie, Juju
Zombie, Yellow Musk
I think that this is the book that will make or break me as an RPG layout designer... and by "break" I mean "destroy my mind".
Oh, and here's a list of the 735 entries culled from the indeces of the 3 Tomes of Horror.
I think that this is the book that will make or break me as an RPG layout designer... and by "break" I mean "destroy my mind".
I just looked at the awesomeness that is that list and ... *head explodes*
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Besides priority pick of a hotel room,
I'm thinking THIS is the reason to get a VIG for GenCon this year...
Well - the hotel room in the Indy Mariott Downtown already booked and reserved already *is* a pretty sweet perk :)
But I do agree on the overall sentiment.
If there are only 500 copies of this admittedly very thick and expensive book available on the Gencon Floor on Thursday, August 4, 2011, I don't think there will be one available for purchase on the same floor on Friday, August 5, 2011.
VIG carholders get in one hour early onto the Gencon floor on Thursday morning before general admittance. So VIG cardholders at Gencon will be sure to get their copy(ies) of this book. While I am certain many other attendees will as well, given the limited print run - I just don't see this book as collecting dust on any store shelf, ever, let alone making it out of Gencon Indy in unsold form.
If there's a second printing? Sure, maybe. But if there are only 500 for a first print run?
*Sold Out*
Some of Pale's list looks awfully familiar. :P
You folks at FrogGod and helpers have made a very large number of people quite giddy with glee over this tome.
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I'm wondering about just a few things:
Will the contents of the appendices be included? I know you mentioned the N’Gathau, so that's covered...what about the new rules for snakes (ToH Revised), planes of existence (ToH2 / ToH3), and the additional feats (ToH2 / ToH3)?
And when can we expect The Wurst of Grimtooth's Traps: PFRPG/S&W versions? :D
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I'd like to petition for ToHC having Paizo stats for the monsters that already were in the APs/B1/B2.
If there will be two versions of each monsters, we might face a mighty confusion when a Paizo product will include a ToHR monster with one version of the stats and the ToHC will have another version. This might come up in PFS as well.
I'm not asking to exclude Shadow Demons, Gryphs, Sea Serpents etc - I merely ask to use Paizo stats for them in ToHC.
Pale/tsathogga/Greg - please, consider this.
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If there will be two versions of each monsters, we might face a mighty confusion when a Paizo product will include a ToHR monster with one version of the stats and the ToHC will have another version
Pale/tsathogga/Greg - please, consider this.
Just blame the proteans or Kae yoss, and you'll be fine :)
If there will be two versions of each monsters, we might face a mighty confusion when a Paizo product will include a ToHR monster with one version of the stats and the ToHC will have another version. This might come up in PFS as well.
I don't really see the issue here - Paizo products will use Paizo's published stats. The PFS-legal version will be the Paizo version.
Personally, if possible, I'd like to see a re-imagining of the monster, though I don't know that this is something they're shooting for.