Och s+~#e thah!
no, but elvish woman do
no, but elvish woman do
Oh, thank the heavens! My faith in universal balance is restored.
:P
no, but elvish woman do
That's nothing but a hurtful lie. Of course, there's no such thing as the word "elvish" in these parts (it's "elven") so maybe, MAYBE, it wasn't directed at us. (narrows eyes, slowly reaches for dagger just in case...)
no, but elvish woman doThat's nothing but a hurtful lie. Of course, there's no such thing as the word "elvish" in these parts (it's "elven") so maybe, MAYBE, it wasn't directed at us. (narrows eyes, slowly reaches for dagger just in case...)
hmmm, I see that razor burn on your chin, I guess that dagger aint so sharp after all, eh?
hmmm, I see that razor burn on your chin, I guess that dagger aint so sharp after all, eh? ACK!.......
The question was asked me by someone, and the person seemed a bit unclear, so I was curious. Do dwarven women in Golarion have beards?Nope.
Pff. As IF.
I happen to know for a fact that Paizo's 2012 publishing schedule includes the following offering:CLASSIC LADY DWARF BEARD STYLES REVISITED
And if it doesn't...well, um...it should.
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The first female dwarven PC to grace a game set in Golarion was beardless, but she had magnificent sideburns - braided and beaded. All the dwarven ladies from then on rock the 'burns.
Damn, you ninjaed my comment! But yes, I tend to find Dwarven Female NPCs or PCs either have long sideburns or have to shave as often as the men of other races do. I remember fondly a Dwarven Sorcerer back in 3.5 that had hair hanging down to the small of her back like a wave of golden silk, and long sideburns of the same that hung down to her breasts. She had to fend off romantic pursuits by every male bachelor Dwarf, and a few married ones, every time she set foot into a Dwarven Stronghold, and her player cursed his choice of making a Charisma 18 Dwarf Woman.
Could be interesting concept that a Female Dwarf with a beard is a Butch Lesbian in Golarion *sponateously combusts from the bad karma and rolls around on the ground futilely trying to extinguish the flames*
Knightmare said dwarven women don't have beards, and if you can't trust the most awesomely cheesy fantasy based gameshow that has ever existed, who can you trust?
What? Why don't they have proper beards like all dwarves are supposed to have? Did something happen?
Is this some sort of sexist decision, female dwarves can't have beards because their women?
Yes.
But they can have penises.
What? Why don't they have proper beards like all dwarves are supposed to have? Did something happen?
Is this some sort of sexist decision, female dwarves can't have beards because their women?
Yes.
But they can have penises.
How many?
Zo
The question was asked me by someone, and the person seemed a bit unclear, so I was curious. Do dwarven women in Golarion have beards?Nope.
praise moradin!
Dwarven babies, on the other hand, are just hairy spheres (that require alcohol to get through the working day). As they mature they develop the hair patterns seen in adult dwarves, according to their gender.
Here's what Tolkien has to say on the subject:
Appendix A of Return of the King:
"It was said by Gimli that there are few dwarf-women, probably no more than a third of the whole people. They seldom walk abroad except at great need. They are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart."
It gets worse (note that Naugrim translates as Dwarves, or more properly Dwarrows):
The Later Quenta Silmarillion in HOME XI:
§5 "(...)For the Naugrim have beards from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike; nor indeed can their womenkind be discerned by those of other race, be it in feature or in gait or in voice, nor in any wise save this: that they go not to war, and seldom save at direst need issue from their deep bowers and halls. It is said, also, that their womenkind are few, and that save their kings and chieftains few Dwarves ever wed; wherefore their race multiplied slowly and now is dwindling."
hmmm, I see that razor burn on your chin, I guess that dagger aint so sharp after all, eh? ACK!.......
gack!
praise moradin!The question was asked me by someone, and the person seemed a bit unclear, so I was curious. Do dwarven women in Golarion have beards?Nope.
Who?
I for one am glad that bit of silliness is dead and gone.
I for one am glad that bit of silliness is dead and gone.
Bad enough that their males must all have beards. Too cheap for a razor, eh?
Thank the good lord.The question was asked me by someone, and the person seemed a bit unclear, so I was curious. Do dwarven women in Golarion have beards?Nope.
+1. Amen! Preach it, brother!
I for one am glad that bit of silliness is dead and gone.
Me too.
Well in FR some did have beards, but mostly that was ignored by almost everyone. Your find a few references here and there but I can not think of one named dwarf woman having one.
D&D female dwarves never had beards to begin with, did they?
I can't recall any references to them being facially hirsute back in 2E, at least.
The example in Seekers of Secrets is the definitive look for Golarion dwarves, as far as I'm concerned.
Greyhawk. The dwarvish women had beards. The world according to Gygax :) In my world dwarves associate some roles with male, others with females. A dwarvish woman who takes on a "male role" wears a fake beard and a dwarvish male who does the opposite shaves. Hence the stories of bearded dwarvish women. Of course dwarves in my world are connoisseurs of the theater...
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What? Why don't they have proper beards like all dwarves are supposed to have? Did something happen?
Is this some sort of sexist decision, female dwarves can't have beards because their women?
Yes.
But they can have penises.
Unlike elves who can only get trees and shrubs lol
The primary purpose of a beard is so the female has something to hold onto! The males are content holding onto their hair. ahem!
Greyhawk. The dwarvish women had beards. The world according to Gygax :) In my world dwarves associate some roles with male, others with females. A dwarvish woman who takes on a "male role" wears a fake beard and a dwarvish male who does the opposite shaves. Hence the stories of bearded dwarvish women. Of course dwarves in my world are connoisseurs of the theater...D&D female dwarves never had beards to begin with, did they?
I can't recall any references to them being facially hirsute back in 2E, at least.
The example in Seekers of Secrets is the definitive look for Golarion dwarves, as far as I'm concerned.
The true source of it is probably Tolkein. Isnt there reference to beared dwarven chicks?
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Back in the 1E days, there was an adventure series A1-A4 called Against the Slave Lords. There were pre-generated characters included in the modules and one of them was a female dwarf fighter named, "Freida." The modules included several illustrations of those characters fighting various monsters and villains. Freida most definitely had both beard and breasts.
Somebody help me out here since I'm a n00b that didn't play till 3e. What is seriously up with the sometimes obsession with dwarven women having beards or not?
Personally they'd look really silly -bordering on absurd- with them.
Somebody help me out here since I'm a n00b that didn't play till 3e. What is seriously up with the sometimes obsession with dwarven women having beards or not?
Personally they'd look really silly -bordering on absurd- with them.
Tolkein had a bearded lady fetish. I agree it's silly and best of all dead. Really guys sure Tolkein was used for alot of things but not all of his ideals are good ones. About half at best maybe.
Somebody help me out here since I'm a n00b that didn't play till 3e. What is seriously up with the sometimes obsession with dwarven women having beards or not?
Personally they'd look really silly -bordering on absurd- with them.
It originated in some bits of Tolkein dwarvish lore. It was a running joke / discussion in Dragon magazine for quite a while. E. Gary Gygax was on the "bearded" side of it. It crept into game art, as Cuchulainn mentioned above. Gognard humor :D
That I will have to disagree with, almost all his ideas have been ripped off at one point or another.Really guys sure Tolkein was used for alot of things but not all of his ideals are good ones. About half at best maybe.
I didn't say they had not, I said they were not all good. I can rip off all kinds of ideals, they still does not make them all good ones.
What worked for middle earth does not work for every world.
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That I will have to disagree with, almost all his ideas have been ripped off at one point or another.Really guys sure Tolkein was used for alot of things but not all of his ideals are good ones. About half at best maybe.
I didn't say they had not, I said they were not all good. I can rip off all kinds of ideals, they still does not make them all good ones.
What worked for middle earth does not work for every world.
Out of curiosity, what do you consider his bad ideas?
At the chance of getting lynched. Hobbits, Bearded female dwarves and Angle/wizard not wizard things, along with immortal elves that sail away to elsewhere are on my list
They are cool as a unique world but should not be carried to everyworld just because he wrote them.
Also I am not a huge fan of his writing style to be honest
I'm glad you said Hobbits and not Halflings
Not a big fan of them either, but I really dislike Hobbits and normly have nether in worlds I make.
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Somebody help me out here since I'm a n00b that didn't play till 3e. What is seriously up with the sometimes obsession with dwarven women having beards or not?
Personally they'd look really silly -bordering on absurd- with them.
Also see Terry Pratchett's Discworld books.