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Hell, the Morlocks had a better plan than Xavier's, it seemed. They just needed more alpha class mutants and less people with the 'mutant power' to be fugly.*shudder* The staggering differences in power level is the main problem I have with X-Men today. Just look what they did with Beast and Angel.
Has Hank been powered up? I was unaware of his cat-bit being more powerful. I know HE dislikes it.
But yeah, Warren and Bobby have gotten power ups. Scott might have as well, but it's hard to describe, "Scott, your optic blasts hurt more!"
And don't get me started on Logan/James/Patch/Wolverine
Pity they didn't use HoM to power down mutants, not depower them entirely. Force them to get creative.
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Oh and just to keep the Quesadea hate flowing look who's NOT on the list of famous couples.
No Peter and MJ, no Scott and Jean, no Hank and Janet, no Vision and Wanda. Yeesh, Reed and Sue are the only long-term relationship left, and since he's sent 'cape-killers' to hunt her, her brother and his 'best friend' Ben over a political disagreement, the only reason they remain together is editorial fiat. (The exact comment was that there wouldn't be any repercussions, because he'd 'fix her dinner or something.')
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Oh and just to keep the Quesadea hate flowing look who's NOT on the list of famous couples.No Peter and MJ, no Scott and Jean, no Hank and Janet, no Vision and Wanda. Yeesh, Reed and Sue are the only long-term relationship left, and since he's sent 'cape-killers' to hunt her, her brother and his 'best friend' Ben over a political disagreement, the only reason they remain together is editorial fiat. (The exact comment was that there wouldn't be any repercussions, because he'd 'fix her dinner or something.')
It's not just editorial fiat - it's marketing. Notice how you can follow the exploits of all of the couples by purchasing current Marvel titles. The iconic couples like those you named aren't used because they won't sell comics.
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And don't get me started on Logan / James / Patch / Wolverine.
[insert little choke-y noises]
Has anyone else noticed that, when Wolverine is reduced to adamantium-skeleton-plus-a-few-atoms (such as when he gets thrown into the sun, or when he lands on a planet face-first) and has to reconstitute himself, his hairstyle grows back exactly as it was. The only way that makes sense is if it's part of his genetic makeup.
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And don't get me started on Logan / James / Patch / Wolverine.[insert little choke-y noises]
Has anyone else noticed that, when Wolverine is reduced to adamantium-skeleton-plus-a-few-atoms (such as when he gets thrown into the sun, or when he lands on a planet face-first) and has to reconstitute himself, his hairstyle grows back exactly as it was. The only way that makes sense is if it's part of his genetic makeup.
Actually, that wouldn't surprise me. One issue of his second series he gave himself a buzz cut and when. His hair grew back it was the same. I think someone commented on it.
(Yeah we know it's artist fiat. Still fun to point out)
Oh and just to keep the Quesadea hate flowing look who's NOT on the list of famous couples.
They're clearly high over at Marvel.
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And don't get me started on Logan / James / Patch / Wolverine.[insert little choke-y noises]
Has anyone else noticed that, when Wolverine is reduced to adamantium-skeleton-plus-a-few-atoms (such as when he gets thrown into the sun, or when he lands on a planet face-first) and has to reconstitute himself, his hairstyle grows back exactly as it was. The only way that makes sense is if it's part of his genetic makeup.
I liked Wolverine best when it was hinted at that he was actually an advanced creation of the High Evolutionary.
Same thing for Magneto. If I was a mutant, especially if I had a useful power (looks at Tag, Beak, and Anole) I don't know that I'd choose Xavier's dream over Magneto's. And yes, that does disturb me.
Magneto works best when it really looks like he's right: coexistence is doomed so as a pragmatic strategy, one must pursue separatism and/or supremacy. That's one of the things that makes him compelling as a character and scary (well, as guys in red and purple spandex go...) as a villain. Xavier's dream is just that: forever theoretical and making only small gains around the edges that are easily reversed while the world generally slides slowly towards Days of Future Past.
But this dynamic is at its bet when Xavier is a bleeding heart idealist and most writers of the past fifteen or twenty years have had it in for the guy and gone out of their way to portray him as some kind of ruthless bastard. Then it requires Magneto to be a personally reasonable guy and not Hitler, Hitler on Drugs, or Hitler in Roid Rage wrecking up funerals of his own former students. We don't see a lot of that Magneto.
Neither reasonable extremist Magneto nor idealist Xavier seem to be too popular with writers lately.
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No Peter and MJ, no Scott and Jean, no Hank and Janet, no Vision and Wanda.To be fair, they explicitely state that they have chosen "10 current sweethearts", so it makes kind of sense that those couples you mentioned didn't make the list.
I missed the current part. Still, it would help if they didn't kill off all their married couples? And what about Rick and Marlo? I assume they're still married because the editors haven't noticed them. Or Wiccan and Hulkling? Or Hank and Agent Brand? Or (yuck) Black Panther and Storm or Crystal and Ronin?
Marvel, house of casual shackups (and refrigerators)
And what about Rick and Marlo? I assume they're still married because the editors haven't noticed them.
Rick and Marlo are indeed still around, and were reunited in a recent issue of the Incredible Hulk.
Of course, Rick is currently stuck as a gamma-irradiated Abomination-type of creature, and Marlo only recently recovered from being the new Harpy, so...
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Still, it would help if they didn't kill off all their married couples?
Definitely though I have to admit that Wanda and Vision was the only couple I really cared for as far as those old couples are concerned. Never liked MJ (I rooted for Gwen Stacey), Hank and Janet became interesting to me AFTER they split up and the only good thing I've to say about Jean Grey is that her existence gives the Scott/Emma relationship a nice edge.
On the other hand (and I just have begun reading Marvel Comics after a long pause, so I don't care about most inconsistencies simply because I don't know about them, so please excuse my ignorance) I like quite some of those modern couples (Luke Cage/Jessica Jones, Scott/Emma , and, yeah, I also like Ororo/T'Challa). Guess this makes me the wrong person to post in this thread. ;)
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Or Wiccan and Hulkling?
Wiccan and Hulkling, or Xavin and Karolina would have made a more established token gay couple, IMO, than the recently established Shatterstar and Rictor. Then again, neither the Young Avengers, nor the Runaways might count as 'current,' since they are in comic book limbo at the moment...
Or Hank and Agent Brand?
I don't miss Trish Tilby, but the cop Charlotte and even Infectia were neat additions to Beast's love life. And there was that 'beauty and the beast' mini where he was paired up with Dazzler. Boy, that guy gets around. Warren's practically a monk compared to ol' blue-fur!
or Crystal and Ronin?
Good power couple! Medusa seems to be portrayed as increasingly erratic and strident, especially compared to the laid-back attitude of her cousin Maximus the no-longer-completely-Mad. Crystal makes for a nice voice of sanity in the Inhuman royal family.
(A Marvel trend I dislike is female characters becoming increasingly draconian as they gain power, such as Storm's transition from gentle goddess to slap-happy heel-stomper, or Heather Hudson's sea-change from the girl who holds her hand up during meetings, to someone who boasts about her willingness to kill teammates who cross lines. The Wasp at least managed to avoid that crap, during her stint as Avengers leader, and Sue Richards has generally been the voice of reason in the Fantastic Bickersons.)
Or Hank and Agent Brand?I don't miss Trish Tilby, but the cop Charlotte and even Infectia were neat additions to Beast's love life. And there was that 'beauty and the beast' mini where he was paired up with Dazzler. Boy, that guy gets around. Warren's practically a monk compared to ol' blue-fur
Just one of the reasons I love him. Comedy really turns women on, although I'm sure the fur and muscles help. He's one of my favorite comic book characters, and the one whose power I would have the most fun with. I LOVED him in that alternate future where the X-Men were superstars and he looked like a retiring fatbeard, and my favorite issue of him is that Avengers one shot where he teams up with his old buddy Wonder Man and makes awful jokes the entire issue. The only thing I liked about the horrible X-Men movies is that they got the right guy to play him(Kelsey Grammer).
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Just one of the reasons I love him. Comedy really turns women on, although I'm sure the fur and muscles help. He's one of my favorite comic book characters, and the one whose power I would have the most fun with. I LOVED him in that alternate future where the X-Men were superstars and he looked like a retiring fatbeard, and my favorite issue of him is that Avengers one shot where he teams up with his old buddy Wonder Man and makes awful jokes the entire issue. The only thing I liked about the horrible X-Men movies is that they got the right guy to play him(Kelsey Grammer).
Yes, I was very much surprised by Kelsey Grammer's hnadling of the role. I enjoyed it. He mixed the right amount of humour and intellect.
And "Oh my stars and garters." made me laugh outloud.
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The best Beast line I remember was from the Scott and Jean wedding issue.
Beast: "OH NO! Have the X-Men been defeated? A foe more powerful than Magneto, more devious than Mr. Sinister, more ruthless than Apocalypse, more...."
Cyclops: "JUST SHUT UP AND TIE THE TIE HANK!!!"
Perfectly characterizing both of them in a few panels.
True, but to actually *hear* the line said made it worth it.
I think my favourite 'fun beast moment' was when Simon threw hank way up in the air and he's thinking, "This is it. I finally pushed Simon too far and I'm going to be a blue smear on the pavement."
Though the X-factor issue with Vera was funny too (well duh, look who wrote it).
"Vera! Wait! You forgot your Cello! There's always room for Cello!"
*boom*
"Well it was a bad joke, but not worth trying to blow me up over..."
Made even funnier by the fact that a friend's 13 year old son plays the cello, and had never heard the joke.
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Wolverine once regenerated FROM A SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD. Albiet, exceptional circumstance was involved.
Has anyone else noticed that, when Wolverine is reduced to adamantium-skeleton-plus-a-few-atoms (such as when he gets thrown into the sun, or when he lands on a planet face-first) and has to reconstitute himself, his hairstyle grows back exactly as it was. The only way that makes sense is if it's part of his genetic makeup.
THIS is why I can't read Wolverine anymore. His healing factor has gotten ridiculous. If anything in the Marvel Universe needed to be retconned, it's this.
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THIS is why I can't read Wolverine anymore. His healing factor has gotten ridiculous. If anything in the Marvel Universe needed to be retconned, it's this.
They've kinda done just that at the end of Civil War and before Dark Reign began.
Wolverine was blown to pieces (again) and his body stitched itself back together (again) but this time he was left brain dead. Seemed after dying so many times his soul was basically losing the will to live.
I'm forgeting the exact details (and don't have my books with me) but basically he has a deal with Azrael (Angel of Death). Wolverine ends up killing a woman that has control over Azrael thus ends his deal with the Angel of Death. Supposedly if Wolverine dies again it's permanent and after his return his healing factor won't be as strong as it once was.
Yeah, kinda hookie but they HAVE at least made an effort to rein in his healing factor a bit. :)
And again, my apologies for not having the exact issue numbers on me.
-J
EDIT: OK, the interwebz tell me the story is reprinted in "The Death of Wolverine" TBP which compiles Wolverine #56-61
The best Beast line I remember was from the Scott and Jean wedding issue.
Beast: "OH NO! Have the X-Men been defeated? A foe more powerful than Magneto, more devious than Mr. Sinister, more ruthless than Apocalypse, more...."
Cyclops: "JUST SHUT UP AND TIE THE TIE HANK!!!"
Perfectly characterizing both of them in a few panels.
True, but to actually *hear* the line said made it worth it.
I think my favourite 'fun beast moment' was when Simon threw hank way up in the air and he's thinking, "This is it. I finally pushed Simon too far and I'm going to be a blue smear on the pavement."
Though the X-factor issue with Vera was funny too (well duh, look who wrote it).
"Vera! Wait! You forgot your Cello! There's always room for Cello!"
*boom*
"Well it was a bad joke, but not worth trying to blow me up over..."Made even funnier by the fact that a friend's 13 year old son plays the cello, and had never heard the joke.
God, I love that bouncing blue ball of fur.
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THIS is why I can't read Wolverine anymore. His healing factor has gotten ridiculous. If anything in the Marvel Universe needed to be retconned, it's this.
They've kinda done just that at the end of Civil War and before Dark Reign began.
Wolverine was blown to pieces (again) and his body stitched itself back together (again) but this time he was left brain dead. Seemed after dying so many times his soul was basically losing the will to live.
I'm forgeting the exact details (and don't have my books with me) but basically he has a deal with Azrael (Angel of Death). Wolverine ends up killing a woman that has control over Azrael thus ends his deal with the Angel of Death. Supposedly if Wolverine dies again it's permanent and after his return his healing factor won't be as strong as it once was.Yeah, kinda hookie but they HAVE at least made an effort to rein in his healing factor a bit. :)
And again, my apologies for not having the exact issue numbers on me.
-JEDIT: OK, the interwebz tell me the story is reprinted in "The Death of Wolverine" TBP which compiles Wolverine #56-61
Thanks for the info!
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I miss the days when his healing factor meant that if he got really badly thrashed, it meant he would be back up and at it in a few days to a week or two instead of the months or years a normal person would require.
One thing I remember from Fall of the Mutants was how much it hurt to heal. I remember a scene where he's thinking that normally he'd fall into a healing coma for a day or so and be ok, but he couldn't abandon the team so he was resting, when he could, in agony as his body knitted itself back together.
The supernatural nerf bothered me. Not for the nerf part, for the supernatural part.
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The upper right hand panel made me die laughing.
I think I've still got most of that series in my garage somewhere.
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I have the Taladas books for Dragonlance, I wanted more.
Been trying to get caught up on Marvel titles and the Titans books there. Have learned one thing, as Emma's written you DON'T want to make her angry.
It works even better when I 'hear' her in the voice the actress used for Wolverine and the X-men.
I will say, Jay Guthrie's funeral almost moved me to tears. Though I'd love to see more fall out from Utopia after reading the post house of M comics.
Reading young X-men, I really don't like X-force. 1) X-23 was really becoming a character in YXM. Plus she needs a better 'field name' than X-23. 2) You have Rahne and Elixer in the same group and no comments about their relationship? Especially now that he's a 'full' X-man? (not to mention all the other issues I have with Rahne)
Tangent
I am currently reading through X-Men Forever. After that I will most likely start on some of the Satr Wars comics I missed after I was unemployed and had to cancel my subscriptions.
Once you go Legacy, you never go back. FINALLY, force-users that aren't world beaters!
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I am currently reading through X-Men Forever. After that I will most likely start on some of the Satr Wars comics I missed after I was unemployed and had to cancel my subscriptions.Once you go Legacy, you never go back. FINALLY, force-users that aren't world beaters!
Unfortunately their scans haven't caught up with where I had to drop Legacy yet. I'm gonna catch up on Knights of the Old Republic though, and then read the issues that came before I started reading the title.
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Ok, I just got New Mutants 8 which finished the bit with the resurrected Hellions.
(aside, Karma's possessed Warlock's father with Xavier's help, and she can't possess one T/o infected teen?) I think it's Beavatron and Beef that are willingly following her, with the justification of 'she's hot' Honest, that's their justification for following the woman who turned them into zombies.
So knowing this, knowing that at least one of them isn't doing this of her own will, and knowing the Soulsword can purge malicious code, restoring the person Warlock's 'offspring' take all the hellions out. (And apparently Feral too, though she was no where near the blast.)
I don't blame the NM writer, I'm pretty sure he was told "No, they all need to be dead (again) at the end of the arc." I did enjoy the cruise missile twins being resolved though.
Ok, I just got New Mutants 8 which finished the bit with the resurrected Hellions.
** spoiler omitted **
I don't blame the NM writer, I'm pretty sure he was told "No, they all need to be dead (again) at the end of the arc." I did enjoy the cruise missile twins being resolved though.
*sigh* There goes that hope. Thanks for saving me 3.99, friend.
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Look! More reason to Hate Joe Q.
From the article:
Quesada responded, “I totally understand. But while it may feel like a retread to you, if I talked to a ten-year-old right now who just started reading Spider-Man a year and a half ago, this is totally brand new. And when you look at every iteration of Spider-Man out now – the movies, the cartoons – he’s a single guy.”
Hmm, Joe, wasnt' that the entire premise of the Ultimate series? You know, before you let them blow everything up?
Next Wolverine's going to grow to 6', Professor X will take command of the Enterprise, and Iceman will revert to being 20 because 'that's the way all the iterations of Iceman now are.'
Next Wolverine's going to grow to 6', Professor X will take command of the Enterprise, and Iceman will revert to being 20 because 'that's the way all the iterations of Iceman now are.'
You don't want to know what the average person I run into comic book stores thinks Wolverine's height is. He truly has become a fantasy father figure of an entire generation.
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Next Wolverine's going to grow to 6', Professor X will take command of the Enterprise, and Iceman will revert to being 20 because 'that's the way all the iterations of Iceman now are.'You don't want to know what the average person I run into comic book stores thinks Wolverine's height is. He truly has become a fantasy father figure of an entire generation.
He's around 5'4", everyone knows that.
He's around 5'4", everyone knows that.Next Wolverine's going to grow to 6', Professor X will take command of the Enterprise, and Iceman will revert to being 20 because 'that's the way all the iterations of Iceman now are.'You don't want to know what the average person I run into comic book stores thinks Wolverine's height is. He truly has become a fantasy father figure of an entire generation.
I almost started a riot the last time I pointed that out. Everyone in the store at the time thought he was closer to 6'1", and pointed to the movies and I believe Ultimate X-Men to prove it.
Did you ask them why Sabertooth calls him "runt" if he's that tall?
At least one person thought Sabertooth was about 7' clean. This is when I left the area.
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Did you ask them why Sabertooth calls him "runt" if he's that tall?At least one person thought Sabertooth was about 7' clean. This is when I left the area.
I've always put Sabertooth at 6'7" to 6'9". Particularly in the Claremont run he always seemed to tower over the other characters.
Edit: His official bio puts him at 6'6". I am a pretty good guesser I'd say.
Edit Two: Wolverine's official bio puts him at 5'3".
Did you ask them why Sabertooth calls him "runt" if he's that tall?At least one person thought Sabertooth was about 7' clean. This is when I left the area.I've always put Sabertooth at 6'7" to 6'9". Particularly in the Claremont run he always seemed to tower over the other characters.
Edit: His official bio puts him at 6'6". I am a pretty good guesser I'd say.
Edit Two: Wolverine's official bio puts him at 5'3".
Okay, here's a question for you. Did Sabretooth kill Ape?
Quesada responded, “I totally understand. But while it may feel like a retread to you, if I talked to a ten-year-old right now who just started reading Spider-Man a year and a half ago, this is totally brand new. And when you look at every iteration of Spider-Man out now – the movies, the cartoons – he’s a single guy.”
...so is this ignoring the fact that the Spider-Man movies have essentially been all about Peter and Mary Jane getting together from the beginning? And didn't Peter and MJ get engaged in the third movie or something?
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Quesada responded, “I totally understand. But while it may feel like a retread to you, if I talked to a ten-year-old right now who just started reading Spider-Man a year and a half ago, this is totally brand new. And when you look at every iteration of Spider-Man out now – the movies, the cartoons – he’s a single guy.”...so is this ignoring the fact that the Spider-Man movies have essentially been all about Peter and Mary Jane getting together from the beginning? And didn't Peter and MJ get engaged in the third movie or something?
"I am The Great Quesidea! How dare you bring facts into this!"
Aside, even though I joke about the fact I have two ex-wives, this guy really seems to hate married people.