Amazing stuff as usual
I concur. Cyclops suddenly being gay would be stupid and might offend a lot of people. Wolverine suddenly being gay might be an interesting direction for the character and would make a lot of pieces fall into place for me, at least.
One of the first lesbians I ever consciously met swore to me up and down that Rogue would come out of the closet one day. It still hasn't happened, but I don't know if I'd be surprised if she did.
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Amazing stuff as usualI concur. Cyclops suddenly being gay would be stupid and might offend a lot of people. Wolverine suddenly being gay might be an interesting direction for the character and would make a lot of pieces fall into place for me, at least.
One of the first lesbians I ever consciously met swore to me up and down that Rogue would come out of the closet one day. It still hasn't happened, but I don't know if I'd be surprised if she did.
I - and completely, that is - disagree. Wolverine is as male as male can be, representing the feral, pure, savage animalistic power of all males the world over. He has body hair. Nuff said.
I - and completely, that is - disagree. Wolverine is as male as male can be, representing the feral, pure, savage animalistic power of all males the world over. He has body hair. Nuff said.
Which, arguably, would make him an impressive choice for a gay character. Marvel has routinely missed the opportunity to do a non-stereotype homosexual in their comics. Being manly isn't the same as being straight. Having mainstream media break out of that self-imposed straightjacket would be a huge step in the right direction.
Wildstorm has it right. One of the manliest men in all of comics is Midnighter, and he's queerer than a three-dollar bill.
EDIT: Not that I think Wolverine should be made gay, as it would be forcing a role on the character just for the sake of doing so, but it couldn't hurt for Marvel to actually do a gay character who doesn't seem like a reject from Will & Grace.
I have to admit to being slightly disapointed with the decision to make Shatterstar bisexual, only because as a pretty boy character he seems like the obvious choice. I think that if they will really wanted to make an existing hero gay, they should have used Cyclops. He is one of my favorite characters and him being gay would explain why he is always so uptight and guarded even with the women that he "loves." Rictor as bisexual was a shock, but I think it really works.
The writers were writing Rictor and Shatterstar as in a relationship for years (like since 1996 or 1997, at least) before anybody said the word. Their last appearance before they went off into limbo for a few years practically smacked the reader over the head with the subtext. Corporate or the Comics Code apparently wouldn't let them say it outright, but the intention was obviously that they were heading off into the sunset to live happily ever after. It's not a sudden change; it's an admission of how Marvel was writing the characters for years.
EDIT: Not that I think Wolverine should be made gay, as it would be forcing a role on the character just for the sake of doing so, but it couldn't hurt for Marvel to actually do a gay character who doesn't seem like a reject from Will & Grace.
One of the (New) New Mutants supporting cast was gay. Nice, well-adjusted, well-rounded character. Of course, he's a nobody. In a few years they'll probably highlight him in advance of a crossover then kill him at the end of the first issue.
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Not only is he a nobody, but his alias, could... well... be very easily misinterpreted or purposely tweaked for something of a degrading nature.
But then again, that's what happens when you just try to throw stuff at that wall from a hidden position, trying to see what sticks (or what could be called "arms-length pandering") You usually get low quality, low substance stuff.
To do a gay superhero properly, an author should really dive into the subject material properly, break some eggs, and take risks. Only then would readers associate with the hardships of the hero. All we've seen so far is Politically Correct Low Fat Lite crappola... no nourishment at all. To these I say: NEXT!
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Not only is he a nobody, but his alias, could... well... be very easily misinterpreted or purposely tweaked for something of a degrading nature.
It's not as funny as Wiccan's original codename of Asgardian.
To quote the end of the first run;
"Why do I need a new codename?"
"You need one that isn't going to become a national joke when people find out about you and Teddy."
"Ohhh..."
It's not as funny as Wiccan's original codename of Asgardian.
To quote the end of the first run;
"Why do I need a new codename?"
"You need one that isn't going to become a national joke when people find out about you and Teddy."
"Ohhh..."
That was great.
Not only is he a nobody, but his alias, could... well... be very easily misinterpreted or purposely tweaked for something of a degrading nature.
Sure. It fits the powers, though. I mean Chameleon is taken and Anoles are little lizards (lately they've drawn him small) that cling to things and can change color.
But then again, that's what happens when you just try to throw stuff at that wall from a hidden position, trying to see what sticks (or what could be called "arms-length pandering") You usually get low quality, low substance stuff.To do a gay superhero properly, an author should really dive into the subject material properly, break some eggs, and take risks. Only then would readers associate with the hardships of the hero.
I agree, and the comic would then be damned as having a political message. The character would be treated as if being gay was his main superpower, regardless of writing. I have a friend who grew up in Louisiana, all of one generation removed from segregation. His father would walk in the room and see him watching a TV show with a single black character on the screen among a sea of whites and pronounce the show a you-know-what show. Same reaction.
A writer is damned if it's done and damned if it's not. So we'll probably see a major GLBT superhero in a successful comic in about twenty years. If they're still making comics then.
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Amazing stuff as usualI concur. Cyclops suddenly being gay would be stupid and might offend a lot of people. Wolverine suddenly being gay might be an interesting direction for the character and would make a lot of pieces fall into place for me, at least.
One of the first lesbians I ever consciously met swore to me up and down that Rogue would come out of the closet one day. It still hasn't happened, but I don't know if I'd be surprised if she did.
I don't picture Wolverine as gay, or bi really. Though with his age, a 'tried it, didn't like it' story wouldn't surprise me. Kind of like the throw away joke about Spike and Angel in the Angel TV show.
We know Daken is bi, fortunately I'm equal oportunity, my hatred (the hatred of a million exploding suns!) of the character has nothing to do with his sexuality.
So, whatever doesn't get the "Red" prefix gets the "Dark" prefix? I was just wondering how many Dark teams we'll see before the trend dies. I'm hoping to see Dark Power Pack myself.
Careful what you wish for..
Can you imagine little katie just disintegrating any thing that gets in her way. Imagine Mass Master being inhaled by someone and then reforming inside them ala kitty pride, that can get messy.G-force please too easy he just keeps increasing the gravity to crush someone or lessens it the float away he stops and they die.
A dark power pack can be an awesome thing if used right.
It cant be any sillier than having asgard in freakin latveria or haveing susan richards still legally married to doctor doom or the entire hero hunting thing of civil war.
I am more of a DC guy (Wonder Woman forever) but I used to like some of the marvel ideas. now not so much.
I still wait for the day marbel brings back tail-gunner-joe.
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I agree, and the comic would then be damned as having a political message. The character would be treated as if being gay was his main superpower, regardless of writing. I have a friend who grew up in Louisiana, all of one generation removed from segregation. His father would walk in the room and see him watching a TV show with a single black character on the screen among a sea of whites and pronounce the show a you-know-what show. Same reaction.A writer is damned if it's done and damned if it's not. So we'll probably see a major GLBT superhero in a successful comic in about twenty years. If they're still making comics then.
One of the failed subplots from Alpha Flight I was looking forward to was Jean Marie's reaction to her brother's sexuality. Aurora knew about it and was fine with it, but the Jean Marie persona didn't.
(Aside, I didn't like that Auora's MPD suddenly became a super power in Utopia.)
Conversation on Madison Jeffrey's joining Alpha Flight:
Aurora: I will design his costume!
Northstar: Something skin tight and form fitting no doubt.
Aurora: Since when have you objected to well dressed men, brother?
A little known Marvel comic that I thought handled it well was Darkhold. It was nice to see Sam and Victoria's relationship develop from him pining for her to them developing friendship. One of the best issues was when Victoria was going to use the Darkhold to heal Natasha's injuries and Natasha stopped her, the fact that one was willing to sacrifice being in a coma and the other her soul was touching to me.
Not only is he a nobody, but his alias, could... well... be very easily misinterpreted or purposely tweaked for something of a degrading nature.It's not as funny as Wiccan's original codename of Asgardian.
To quote the end of the first run;
"Why do I need a new codename?"
"You need one that isn't going to become a national joke when people find out about you and Teddy."
"Ohhh..."
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Shatterstar and Rictor works for me, mainly because (he admits sheepishly), I know little or nothing about either character, so it doesn't represent some enormous shocking change for me, as it would if Storm or Angel switched teams. I'm really enjoying Guido's clear discomfort with the situation, since superheroes tend to be 'too good to be true' in their reactions, automatically accepting and even occasionally patronizing in their views on race / gender / etc. in some cases, and having Guido be visibly uncomfortable with what's going on, and having an imperfect human reaction, is a breath of fresh air.
I have to admit, I have not been reading X-Factor, so I don't know all the specifics. I like the direction they took with Rictor, because there are so few Hispanic gay or bisexual characters in comics, or anywhere really. With Shatterstar, my biggest complaint is that I feel having a pretty boy character actually perpetuates a sterotype. I'm glad that Guido is having a hard time with it because it does break the sterotype that all heroes are perfect.
Since we are on the subject of X-Factor, how are they handling the interaction between Longshot and Shattrstar? I think that would lead to an interesting dynamic since they are both from the Mojoverse but from several hundred years apart. Also, quite a while back it was hinted that Shatterstar might be the son of Longshot and Dazzler so I am curious how that is being handled.
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Not only is he a nobody, but his alias, could... well... be very easily misinterpreted or purposely tweaked for something of a degrading nature.Sure. It fits the powers, though. I mean Chameleon is taken and Anoles are little lizards (lately they've drawn him small) that cling to things and can change color.
But then again, that's what happens when you just try to throw stuff at that wall from a hidden position, trying to see what sticks (or what could be called "arms-length pandering") You usually get low quality, low substance stuff.To do a gay superhero properly, an author should really dive into the subject material properly, break some eggs, and take risks. Only then would readers associate with the hardships of the hero.
I agree, and the comic would then be damned as having a political message. The character would be treated as if being gay was his main superpower, regardless of writing. I have a friend who grew up in Louisiana, all of one generation removed from segregation. His father would walk in the room and see him watching a TV show with a single black character on the screen among a sea of whites and pronounce the show a you-know-what show. Same reaction.
A writer is damned if it's done and damned if it's not. So we'll probably see a major GLBT superhero in a successful comic in about twenty years. If they're still making comics then.
That's this very attitude that leads to no change at all, and why the U.S. are 20 years behind the rest of the world in terms of gay rights. So what if a comic gets attention for featuring an openly gay character? There's no such thing as bad publicity, Trump says... and let me tell you that once the right wing nuts get a hold of it and start flipping through pages of the book live during daytime TV, sales will go through the roof.
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That's this very attitude that leads to no change at all, and why the U.S. are 20 years behind the rest of the world in terms of gay rights. So what if a comic gets attention for featuring an openly gay character? There's no such thing as bad publicity, Trump says... and let me tell you that once the right wing nuts get a hold of it and start flipping through pages of the book live during daytime TV, sales will go through the roof.Not only is he a nobody, but his alias, could... well... be very easily misinterpreted or purposely tweaked for something of a degrading nature.Sure. It fits the powers, though. I mean Chameleon is taken and Anoles are little lizards (lately they've drawn him small) that cling to things and can change color.
But then again, that's what happens when you just try to throw stuff at that wall from a hidden position, trying to see what sticks (or what could be called "arms-length pandering") You usually get low quality, low substance stuff.To do a gay superhero properly, an author should really dive into the subject material properly, break some eggs, and take risks. Only then would readers associate with the hardships of the hero.
I agree, and the comic would then be damned as having a political message. The character would be treated as if being gay was his main superpower, regardless of writing. I have a friend who grew up in Louisiana, all of one generation removed from segregation. His father would walk in the room and see him watching a TV show with a single black character on the screen among a sea of whites and pronounce the show a you-know-what show. Same reaction.
A writer is damned if it's done and damned if it's not. So we'll probably see a major GLBT superhero in a successful comic in about twenty years. If they're still making comics then.
Didn't happen when Northstar came out in (the admittedly painfully badly written and cliched) issue of Alpha Flight. Marvel, allegedly, pulled some controversial stuff about Wolfsbane in X-factor at the time because they were taking so much flak.
However, please God (who I obviously don't believe in*) don't let us have a Spectrum from the Ultraverse character where being gay is pretty much their only personality trait.
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Didn't happen when Northstar came out in (the admittedly painfully badly written and cliched) issue of Alpha Flight. Marvel, allegedly, pulled some controversial stuff about Wolfsbane in X-factor at the time because they were taking so much flak.
However, please God (who I obviously don't believe in*) don't let us have a Spectrum from the Ultraverse character where being gay is pretty much their only personality trait.
I have that issue (was a pretty devoted Alphan at the time). It still had the comics code symbol on it.
At least one of the Darkhold issues didn't. I think it's because Jinx (the scrappy of the group) called Victoria a large wall for retaining water.
However, please God (who I obviously don't believe in*)
I see what you did there. I love Metal Men, as silly as the mini-comic is becoming.
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I regret interrupting the Marvel rage here, but since the Metal Men came up: I recall a limited series of MM some years ago that provided a reason for their personalities: the MM were originally people who worked in Magnus' lab (lab assistant, janitor, and so on) who were disabled by some nasty attack, and the responsometers were the only way to keep their personalities, but not their memories, alive.
What happened to that revelation? Was it dismissed? Just ignored? Fixed, somehow?
I regret interrupting the Marvel rage here, but since the Metal Men came up: I recall a limited series of MM some years ago that provided a reason for their personalities: the MM were originally people who worked in Magnus' lab (lab assistant, janitor, and so on) who were disabled by some nasty attack, and the responsometers were the only way to keep their personalities, but not their memories, alive.
What happened to that revelation? Was it dismissed? Just ignored? Fixed, somehow?
I thought that was the Gas Gang?
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I thought that was the Gas Gang?I regret interrupting the Marvel rage here, but since the Metal Men came up: I recall a limited series of MM some years ago that provided a reason for their personalities: the MM were originally people who worked in Magnus' lab (lab assistant, janitor, and so on) who were disabled by some nasty attack, and the responsometers were the only way to keep their personalities, but not their memories, alive.
What happened to that revelation? Was it dismissed? Just ignored? Fixed, somehow?
I thought the Gas Gang used to be his research partners and assisstants.
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I thought that was the Gas Gang?I regret interrupting the Marvel rage here, but since the Metal Men came up: I recall a limited series of MM some years ago that provided a reason for their personalities: the MM were originally people who worked in Magnus' lab (lab assistant, janitor, and so on) who were disabled by some nasty attack, and the responsometers were the only way to keep their personalities, but not their memories, alive.
What happened to that revelation? Was it dismissed? Just ignored? Fixed, somehow?
That was in the cartoon. In the comics the gas gang were replacements for the metal men, that ended poorly.
You know there's an irony in being able to trust wiki for comics, but not anything serious.
I thought that was the Gas Gang?I regret interrupting the Marvel rage here, but since the Metal Men came up: I recall a limited series of MM some years ago that provided a reason for their personalities: the MM were originally people who worked in Magnus' lab (lab assistant, janitor, and so on) who were disabled by some nasty attack, and the responsometers were the only way to keep their personalities, but not their memories, alive.
What happened to that revelation? Was it dismissed? Just ignored? Fixed, somehow?
That was in the cartoon. In the comics the gas gang were replacements for the metal men, that ended poorly.
You know there's an irony in being able to trust wiki for comics, but not anything serious.
Wikipedia's useful like that, and I do go there for serious stuff, making sure to follow references that are given at the bottom and weigh them myself. It's a reference tool just like any other.
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I regret interrupting the Marvel rage here, but since the Metal Men came up: I recall a limited series of MM some years ago that provided a reason for their personalities: the MM were originally people who worked in Magnus' lab (lab assistant, janitor, and so on) who were disabled by some nasty attack, and the responsometers were the only way to keep their personalities, but not their memories, alive.
What happened to that revelation? Was it dismissed? Just ignored? Fixed, somehow?
Revealed to be a Superboy punching reality change, i.e. retconned away.
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Since we are on the subject of X-Factor, how are they handling the interaction between Longshot and Shattrstar? I think that would lead to an interesting dynamic since they are both from the Mojoverse but from several hundred years apart. Also, quite a while back it was hinted that Shatterstar might be the son of Longshot and Dazzler so I am curious how that is being handled.
They've almost ignored each other, and been kept apart by story quite a bit, but Shatterstar uses one of his powers that he said he could only use on someone that he 'had a connection with' (and had previously only used with Rictor) on Longshot. The scene went without any sort of comment as to what sort of connection he had with Longshot, 'though.
That's this very attitude that leads to no change at all, and why the U.S. are 20 years behind the rest of the world in terms of gay rights. So what if a comic gets attention for featuring an openly gay character?
I agree completely. My position whether or not having a GLBT character offends people is the same as my position on whether having a Jewish or black character offends people: added bonus. Some people need offending.
I'm just saying how it would play out, not condoning it. Remember the absurd freakout when Rowling admitted she was writing Dumbledore as gay?
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Since we are on the subject of X-Factor, how are they handling the interaction between Longshot and Shattrstar? I think that would lead to an interesting dynamic since they are both from the Mojoverse but from several hundred years apart. Also, quite a while back it was hinted that Shatterstar might be the son of Longshot and Dazzler so I am curious how that is being handled.They've almost ignored each other, and been kept apart by story quite a bit, but Shatterstar uses one of his powers that he said he could only use on someone that he 'had a connection with' (and had previously only used with Rictor) on Longshot. The scene went without any sort of comment as to what sort of connection he had with Longshot, 'though.
Aren't they both artificially created mutants from the Mojoverse?
Isn't that connection enough?
--Erik
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That's this very attitude that leads to no change at all, and why the U.S. are 20 years behind the rest of the world in terms of gay rights. So what if a comic gets attention for featuring an openly gay character?I agree completely. My position whether or not having a GLBT character offends people is the same as my position on whether having a Jewish or black character offends people: added bonus. Some people need offending.
I'm just saying how it would play out, not condoning it. Remember the absurd freakout when Rowling admitted she was writing Dumbledore as gay?
Funny thing is, on a few blogs I read, they called it a 'Dumbledore moment;. meaning revealing a character as gay after the fact, when it won't hurt the franchise.
Funny thing is, on a few blogs I read, they called it a 'Dumbledore moment;. meaning revealing a character as gay after the fact, when it won't hurt the franchise.
If she'd been at all subtle in Deathly Hallows, that might have been a decent argument. Instead she did almost everything short of having a long flashback where Dumbledore and Grindelwald laid on a green hill by a small lake and shagged their brains out.
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If she'd been at all subtle in Deathly Hallows, that might have been a decent argument. Instead she did almost everything short of having a long flashback where Dumbledore and Grindelwald laid on a green hill by a small lake and shagged their brains out.
The book might have been more lively if she had. Several hundred pages of people hiding out and hearing about bad stuff happening and something to do with snow, because a splash of color would have ruined the gripping lack of anything interesting going on, and then I died of boredom. Ugh.
I enjoy being able to talk about the books the kids are reading with them, but I wish they were reading Zelazny or something. :)
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The scene went without any sort of comment as to what sort of connection he had with Longshot, 'though.Aren't they both artificially created mutants from the Mojoverse?
Isn't that connection enough?
--Erik
A valid posit.
Random quibble, I don't like Shatterstar's eye-tattoo-thing. (Or Madrox's, or Layla's.) It's getting awful Liefieldian over there, with all the eye-tattoo-nonsense, and I want it to stop!
Next it will be pouches, and I'll cry.
The book might have been more lively if she had. Several hundred pages of people hiding out and hearing about bad stuff happening and something to do with snow, because a splash of color would have ruined the gripping lack of anything interesting going on, and then I died of boredom. Ugh.
That's the truth. She visibly grew as a writer over the first four or five books, then what happened? I mean I think Chamber of Secrets was pretty much crap but Prisoner, Goblet, and Order were decent books (even if the latter was a letdown from the build up at the end of Goblet) if you accept them for what they are. They're not great literature, but she was never trying for that.
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That's the truth. She visibly grew as a writer over the first four or five books, then what happened? I mean I think Chamber of Secrets was pretty much crap but Prisoner, Goblet, and Order were decent books (even if the latter was a letdown from the build up at the end of Goblet) if you accept them for what they are. They're not great literature, but she was never trying for that.
Tangent spoilered;
But no. She just sort of said, 'Yeah, there was all this build-up, and then I lost interest.' It felt like she promised us a trip to Disneyland, bundled us into the car, and got us as far as Kentucky before throwing us out of the car and speeding away.
But hey, she's fantastically rich, and I'm not, so what do I know?
That's the truth. She visibly grew as a writer over the first four or five books, then what happened? I mean I think Chamber of Secrets was pretty much crap but Prisoner, Goblet, and Order were decent books (even if the latter was a letdown from the build up at the end of Goblet) if you accept them for what they are. They're not great literature, but she was never trying for that.Tangent spoilered; ** spoiler omitted **...
Man. That spoiler would have made the series worth reading/respecting. Unfortunately it did not come to pass...then again, perhaps I'm being too persnickety. It may have ended up too closely resembling another series with a wizard named Harry. ;-)
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Even the X-men who should have stuff in the pouches never seemed to carry anything in them. I never understood why Cyclops had the pouches when the 4 things he most needed weren't in any of them. Spare visor? Nope, not in there. Radio for communicating with the other X-men teams? Nope, that isn't in there either. Remote control for the Blackbird? Still no. Not even a pair of ruby-quartz glasses? What's in those things anyways? Plot holes?
He's wearing skintight spandex. The pouches hold his wallet, keys and iPod.
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Tangent spoilered; ** spoiler omitted **...Man. That spoiler would have made the series worth reading/respecting. Unfortunately it did not come to pass...then again, perhaps I'm being too persnickety. It may have ended up too closely resembling another series with a wizard named Harry. ;-)
What's funny is, as of Turn Coat, Harry seems to be learning that some of the rules are there for very good reasons. It makes me wonder if Molly's going to cross that line at some point.
(Knows more about Dresden than Potter)
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Random quibble, I don't like Shatterstar's eye-tattoo-thing. (Or Madrox's, or Layla's.) It's getting awful Liefieldian over there, with all the eye-tattoo-nonsense, and I want it to stop!
Next it will be pouches, and I'll cry.
Well Layla's and Jamie's come from the same future where Bishop is, so it makes sense. It's not a 'hey I got a tattoo to look cool' moment.
Reminds me of the best lines in X3:
Callisto: If you're so proud of being a mutant, where's your mark?
Eric Lensherr: I have been marked once, my dear, and let me assure you,
[pulls back his sleeve to reveal the Nazi concentration camp serial number tattooed on his arm]
Eric Lensherr: no needle shall ever touch my skin again.
Knowing PAD, I'd expect a joke about pouches.
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Revealed to be a Superboy punching reality change, i.e. retconned away.I regret interrupting the Marvel rage here, but since the Metal Men came up: I recall a limited series of MM some years ago that provided a reason for their personalities: the MM were originally people who worked in Magnus' lab (lab assistant, janitor, and so on) who were disabled by some nasty attack, and the responsometers were the only way to keep their personalities, but not their memories, alive.
What happened to that revelation? Was it dismissed? Just ignored? Fixed, somehow?
Which ties into the DC rage...
I will admit, in DC Deathstroke puts me in a bind. Slade destroyed an entire city. Not quite Cheshire carnage but pretty damn close. Yes we found out in the blackest ngiht tie in that he really does love Joey and Rose, and did the things to them he did to give them the family he never could be.
I really want to hate him, yet he's so damn... complicated.
I will admit, in DC Deathstroke puts me in a bind.
I really want to hate him, yet he's so damn... complicated.
And yet in the Identity Crisis series when he's kicking everyone's butt with the attitude of 'I'm so bad,' I had to cheer when powerless Oliver Queen stabs him in his blind eye to distract him.
I've always felt that DC has done a "Wolverinization" with Deathstroke - he's cool because he's a badass, but he's constantly skirting the line between anti-hero and villain. And sometimes I get so annoyed with it that seeing him get his behind kicked by a non-powered super hero is fun.
Definetly complicates the good vs bad thing in DC.
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I have always considered Deathstroke a villian. Even when I was cpllecting his title he was a villian. However, he was written in such a way that he showed that evil is not a one sided thing, that one can be evil and still do good things. Magneto is another good example. He is an idealouge and will do anything to advance his agenda, even join the heroes if that's what it takes.
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And I laughed when in Deathstroke he beat Batman in a one-on-one fight. He should be able to beat Bats. Heck he likely should be able to beat Captain America (though that one should be a bit closer).
I don't want to like him, but damnit sometimes he'll do something that makes me cheer for him.
Same thing for Magneto. If I was a mutant, especially if I had a useful power (looks at Tag, Beak, and Anole) I don't know that I'd choose Xavier's dream over Magneto's. And yes, that does disturb me.
And I laughed when in Deathstroke he beat Batman in a one-on-one fight. He should be able to beat Bats. Heck he likely should be able to beat Captain America (though that one should be a bit closer).
I don't want to like him, but damnit sometimes he'll do something that makes me cheer for him.
Same thing for Magneto. If I was a mutant, especially if I had a useful power (looks at Tag, Beak, and Anole) I don't know that I'd choose Xavier's dream over Magneto's. And yes, that does disturb me.
Okay, you just hit something close to the heart for me- did you find Tag, Beak and Anole's powers interesting or no?
Also, while I'm not a huge fan of Deathstroke(okay character, sometimes a little to psychopathic for me), I have no problem with your assertation that he should be able to beat Bats and Cap, just so long as he doesn't walk away with nary a scratch.
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And I laughed when in Deathstroke he beat Batman in a one-on-one fight. He should be able to beat Bats. Heck he likely should be able to beat Captain America (though that one should be a bit closer).
I don't want to like him, but damnit sometimes he'll do something that makes me cheer for him.
Same thing for Magneto. If I was a mutant, especially if I had a useful power (looks at Tag, Beak, and Anole) I don't know that I'd choose Xavier's dream over Magneto's. And yes, that does disturb me.
Okay, you just hit something close to the heart for me- did you find Tag, Beak and Anole's powers interesting or no?
Also, while I'm not a huge fan of Deathstroke(okay character, sometimes a little to psychopathic for me), I have no problem with your assertation that he should be able to beat Bats and Cap, just so long as he doesn't walk away with nary a scratch.
Well Anole's powers make me go 'meh' though I suppose he could be the next nightcrawler. Tag and Beak I don't really know, just plucked ex mutants out of the air. :-)
Edit: If Illyana doesn't kill Anole first. The preview of X nation 3 did NOT endear him to me.
And no I do expect them to beat on him, but infinate Crisis when it took Batman, Robin, and Nightwing a while to take him down, that felt right.
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And I laughed when in Deathstroke he beat Batman in a one-on-one fight. He should be able to beat Bats. Heck he likely should be able to beat Captain America (though that one should be a bit closer).
Because of his powers, pretty much. Even pre-unkillable-regeneration-god, he was supposed to be badass. Although the bit where he schools the Justice League was just laughable. He's badass, not the Beyonder. Flashlights don't knock the Atom out of the air, and nobody is going to out-react the Flash, I don't care how much of your brain is firing on all thrusters...
Same thing for Magneto. If I was a mutant, especially if I had a useful power (looks at Tag, Beak, and Anole) I don't know that I'd choose Xavier's dream over Magneto's. And yes, that does disturb me.
Magneto's dream at least makes a lick of sense. Xavier's dream is for humans and mutants to co-exist peacefully, except for the part about no humans being allowed to work at the school anymore (remember Tom and Sharon? Neither do the writers.), and the quibbly little detail that there are both fanatical cults and covert government agencies sending bombs and giant killer robots and tailored plagues to eradicate them. Yeah. Peaceful co-existence, my butt. The asteroid thing was a better idea, or moving to the Savage Land, or the Blue Area of the Moon, or any of the other neat places on Marvel Earth, like those subterranean cities filled with abandoned Deviant technology and easily manipulated Moloids.
Hell, the Morlocks had a better plan than Xavier's, it seemed. They just needed more alpha class mutants and less people with the 'mutant power' to be fugly.
Hell, the Morlocks had a better plan than Xavier's, it seemed. They just needed more alpha class mutants and less people with the 'mutant power' to be fugly.
*shudder* The staggering differences in power level is the main problem I have with X-Men today. Just look what they did with Beast and Angel.