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Matthew Morris wrote:


(Best Bishop moment, when he was in the danger room and being held hostage by holo-apocalypse. He threatened to shoot himself to remove the hostage. Of course no one caught he was going to shoot himself with an energy weapon...)

That was the best Bishop moment ever.

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Mikaze wrote:
Black Panther himself got derailed as soon as Hudlin took over writing duties after Christopher Priest(God I miss Christopher Priest). Hell, Wakanda got derailed. Wakanda needed help for a long time, true, but Hudlin turned it into a Mary Suetopia, one that hordes the cure for cancer while people continue to die from it all over the globe. Hey, real heroic, T'Challa!

I could not agree more.

Hudlin was a terrible writer and was one of the many reasons I finally gave up on collecting comics. He first mini-series ignored continuity and just seemed as podium for him to grind his axe. Oh and let's not forget the blatant anti-Catholicism but I case that's still okay to do...


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Erik Mona wrote:

Powerless 80s punk Storm is my preferred Storm flavor.

That issue where she kicked Psych's ass in the Danger Room for leadership of the X-Men was classic.

I am also enjoying fond memories of Kullen Gath.

HELL. YES.

ON ALL THREE POINTS.

Seriously, D&D fans that also like X-Men, you have to read the Kulan Gath issues. And the Asgardian Wars stories. That's optional, but the Kulan Gath issues are a must. NEW YORK CITY TRANSFORMED INTO A HYBOREAN ERA PORT TOWN!

Now get out of my head Mr. Erik Mona!

The Kulan Gath issues were the first comics I ever went into the back issue boxes for. I believe I still have them in a place of honor in my boxes, though not on display.

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I miss Iceman. Where is he?

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Personally, I wish that Marvel would just kill off MJ and stop trying to dump her in big life-altering events. Yes, the fans will be pissed for a while. But less so than if they keep screwing with the continuity like they did with three previous attempts to dump MJ and return Peter to the single llfe:

Spider-Man: Clone Saga II - Possibly the most drastic attempt, they not only tried to dump MJ, but Peter as well. Ultimately, they decided to bring back Peter and get rid of Ben due to the fan rejection this storyline created.

Spider-Man: Chapter One - Again, instead of simply making Peter's life simpier WITHIN the continuity, they felt the need to try and massively re-write continuity. Again, fans rejected this.

Spider-Man: Brand New Day - The most recent, and currently ongoing attempt. Again, fans are hating this, and I figure by the end of 2010 , we'll see this reversed.

My message to Marvel: Just nut up and kill MJ within the regular continuity.

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Kthulhu wrote:

Personally, I wish that Marvel would just kill off MJ and stop trying to dump her in big life-altering events. Yes, the fans will be pissed for a while. But less so than if they keep screwing with the continuity like they did with three previous attempts to dump MJ and return Peter to the single llfe:

Spider-Man: Clone Saga II - Possibly the most drastic attempt, they not only tried to dump MJ, but Peter as well. Ultimately, they decided to bring back Peter and get rid of Ben due to the fan rejection this storyline created.

Spider-Man: Chapter One - Again, instead of simply making Peter's life simpier WITHIN the continuity, they felt the need to try and massively re-write continuity. Again, fans rejected this.

Spider-Man: Brand New Day - The most recent, and currently ongoing attempt. Again, fans are hating this, and I figure by the end of 2010 , we'll see this reversed.

My message to Marvel: Just nut up and kill MJ within the regular continuity.

They did that by blowing up her plane. she got better. Mostly due to the outpouring of rage from the fans.

EDIT: And PDK, Iceman was last seen in Uncanny or Nation X. He might make occasional appearances in Legacy as well as all of the X-titles (except the best, X-Factor) are currently based on the same small area so there's overlap.

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Paul Watson wrote:
They did that by blowing up her plane. she got better. Mostly due to the outpouring of rage from the fans.

Yeah. I know. But they also need to get over expecting fans to swallow it right away. It's become obvious they're going to keep on doing it; so fans, even the ones that like MJ (personally, I haven't really liked her for years) should just accept that sooner or later, they'll do something about her permanently. And I'd much rather they not scrap 50 years of continuity in the process of getting rid of one character.

Gwen Stacy was just as popular as MJ when she died, and there was fan outcry over her death, but Marvel stuck to it's guns with her death. (hell, it's one of only two comic book deaths I can think of that's never been reversed - the other being Uncle Ben...Spidey really drew the short stick, huh?)

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Paul Watson wrote:
"They've always been in love, the fact that they had long and deep relationships with other people being completely irrelevant, this is their one true love, even though they've never shown any sign of it previously".

I haven't read about the marriage between T'Challa and Ororo too much, but the last part isn't exactly true. In 1980's Marvel Team-Up #100, there is a story written by Chris Claremont about how Storm and the Blck Panther learnt to know each other in their youth. The story clearly hints at a love relationship between those two and it's also clear that they're really good friends when they meet again in the then-present.

So while I've no idea if and how they used this as a justification for the marriage, but at least this idea didn't come totally out of the blue.

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Just bought all the Siege issues thus far...

My prediction: this whole Siege thing is to highlight the death/end of the Sentry.

SUMMARY OF SIEGE EVENTS THUS FAR:

Siege plot spoiler:
1- Volstagg is setup by the U-Foes - don't ask me who they are... never heard of 'em before... just know that they are a bunch of superpowered goons working for Norman Osborn (NB) - and they kicked the crap out of him, and punch-fly him until he lands right in the middle of a big stadium during a football game. There, they all blast him as one and good old Volstagg's warrior's instincts have him lift his sword in defense. The incoming blasts vs. the Volstagg's epic/godly sword create a big nuke-like explosion that kills everyone in the stadium (i.e. Stamford No. 2)

2- NB uses this as an excuse to invade Asgard (i.e. "These Asgardians don't belong in Boxton Ohio / U.S. / in this world, blah, blah, blah.")

2.25 - NB gives some weird potion to Sentry, and Sentry finally lose it complety... the Void now controls him (i.e. the "good" side of the Sentry is dead as far as I can tell).

2.5 - During the invasion of Asgard, Balder and Tyr battle Ares shortly. Heimdall (the rainbow bridge guy, the all-seer) shows up and tells Ares that he's been lied to by NB, that Loki is working with NB against the Asgardians. Ares is pissed at NB. Tries to overhand-chop NB with his greataxe. Sentry uses his readied action to fly-bullrush-awesome_blow Ares out of the way. Ares scores a critical hit (x3 with greataxe, so ouch) on Sentry's midsection/torso. Some weird Cthulu-like tentacles spill out of the wound (perhaps the start of the Void slowly morphing Sentry's form into something hideous?) Next frame: Sentry pulls Ares apart (Spine, guts and all... this is the end of the god of war. Ares, RIP. We all knew you were doomed from the get go anyhow... :P )

3- NB and friends kick the crap out of Thor. Meanwhile, Ex-agent Hill quietly evacuates the body of Tony Stark out of Boxton.

4- Captain America (i.e. Steve Rogers - the real Cap) watches Thor getting a beating on TV. He's pissed. He gathers all the unregistered good guys / underground Avengers / Nick Fury, and they all fly to Thor's rescue. Last frame of the book shows the reflection of Cap's shield in NB's shiny patriot helmet, about to hit him square in the head.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

Just bought all the Siege issues thus far...

My prediction: this whole Siege thing is to highlight the death/end of the Sentry.

SUMMARY OF SIEGE EVENTS THUS FAR:

** spoiler omitted **...

Interesting summary of events. You forgot the cool part with Dakken.

I hope Zeus shows up and smokes Sentry.

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PDK, The U-Foes are an evil version of the Fantastic Four. They wer long time enemies of the Hulk. More on The U-Foes

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wspatterson wrote:

You forgot the cool part with Dakken.

I hope Zeus shows up and smokes Sentry.

Yes... I completely forgot about Dakken... actually forgot about him... who is he again?

Zeus smoking Sentry: yes. HELL YES!!!

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Actually: anyone smoking Sentry would be just fine.

The power of a MILLION EXPLODING SUNS? reaaaaally? that's gotta be the biggest freak in the Marvel universe. Maybe it's why we're beeing treated with scenes from the Bible at the beginning of the book... (alluding that Sentry is God is not really "cool" by my standards by the way... or Allah, or Buddha, or any modern/real world focus of worship, if you get my drift; sure, give me old norse, roman, or greek gods... but anything that might offend real, modern readers is a bad idea if I've ever seen one)


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:


The power of a MILLION EXPLODING SUNS? reaaaaally? that's gotta be the biggest freak in the Marvel universe. Maybe it's why we're beeing treated with scenes from the Bible at the beginning of the book... (alluding that Sentry is God is not really "cool" by my standards by the way... or Allah, or Buddha, or any modern/real world focus of worship, if you get my drift; sure, give me old norse, roman, or greek gods... but anything that might offend real, modern readers is a bad idea if I've ever seen one)

There are real, modern readers who worship the Norse, Roman, and Greek gods. I asked one who revered the Norse gods about the Mighty Thor once. Said he got a kick out of it.

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Samnell wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:


The power of a MILLION EXPLODING SUNS? reaaaaally? that's gotta be the biggest freak in the Marvel universe. Maybe it's why we're beeing treated with scenes from the Bible at the beginning of the book... (alluding that Sentry is God is not really "cool" by my standards by the way... or Allah, or Buddha, or any modern/real world focus of worship, if you get my drift; sure, give me old norse, roman, or greek gods... but anything that might offend real, modern readers is a bad idea if I've ever seen one)
There are real, modern readers who worship the Norse, Roman, and Greek gods. I asked one who revered the Norse gods about the Mighty Thor once. Said he got a kick out of it.

Ok, this is news to me. You're saying there's people who are worshipping Thor or Ares in real life? O_O

As in, full on religion and not just to impress women with long luxurious hair?


Odin, along with the other Germanic Gods and Goddesses, is recognized by Germanic neopagans. His Norse form is particularly acknowledged in Ásatrú, the "faith in the Æsir", an officially recognized religion in Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Spain.

The Aesir worshippers never really went away just went underground when the Christians gained supremacy.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

Ok, this is news to me. You're saying there's people who are worshipping Thor or Ares in real life? O_O

As in, full on religion and not just to impress women with long luxurious hair?

They're as for real as any other group of religious people.

It would probably be difficult to find a well-attested (and some not so well-attested) historical religious tradition that doesn't have some followers somewhere.

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There was a real cool New Mutants book about faith in the first series.

Empath and Magma are talking about religion (Empath is Catholic, Magma is Roman). Magma tells Empath about the time she encountered Hercules (the Avenger and the god are the same being in the Marvel U). After telling him the story, and how it helped her through a crisis of faith, he asks if her faith is stronger for meeting her god, or if his is for believing He exists w.o meeting him?

She gets mad and walks away.


Matthew Morris wrote:

There was a real cool New Mutants book about faith in the first series.

Empath and Magma are talking about religion (Empath is Catholic, Magma is Roman). Magma tells Empath about the time she encountered Hercules (the Avenger and the god are the same being in the Marvel U). After telling him the story, and how it helped her through a crisis of faith, he asks if her faith is stronger for meeting her god, or if his is for believing He exists w.o meeting him?

She gets mad and walks away.

Just one of the reasons I really dug the Hellions. I hated the fact they got turned into legbreakers and then killed off in the space of two issues.

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Samnell wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

Ok, this is news to me. You're saying there's people who are worshipping Thor or Ares in real life? O_O

As in, full on religion and not just to impress women with long luxurious hair?

They're as for real as any other group of religious people.

It would probably be difficult to find a well-attested (and some not so well-attested) historical religious tradition that doesn't have some followers somewhere.

Come to think of it, it's not the first time Marvel explores God and other (more widespread) modern religions, so I shouldn't be so surprised. I guess the reason that I'm a little annoyed could be that they're making references that nutcase Sentry could be God. I mean, taking a shot at God and Christianism has become second nature to a lot of people. I'm not a devout Christian but one nonetheless, and as you grow older you start noticing patterns... Christianity has had a rough ride over the last 50 years due to a minority of bad apples, and all the good that's being done is overshadowed by few and far between bad stuff. Not trying to minimize the bad, but for the thousands of communities out there who have grown and benefitted by the good works of selfless Christians, this is a major, constant downer.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

There was a real cool New Mutants book about faith in the first series.

Empath and Magma are talking about religion (Empath is Catholic, Magma is Roman). Magma tells Empath about the time she encountered Hercules (the Avenger and the god are the same being in the Marvel U). After telling him the story, and how it helped her through a crisis of faith, he asks if her faith is stronger for meeting her god, or if his is for believing He exists w.o meeting him?

She gets mad and walks away.

Just one of the reasons I really dug the Hellions. I hated the fact they got turned into legbreakers and then killed off in the space of two issues.

Then don't read Necrosha

Spoiler:
They all come back from the dead like zombie Cypher, but when Warlock and Magik 'cure' Cypher they plan to do the same trick on the Hellions. Only to find they like being bad guys.

I always thought Catseye was interesting, because she might be a mutant cat, not a mutant human. Since Roulette was hinted to be interested in Cypher, I was hoping to see her back.

Though nothing beats Illyana terrifying Empath in the original series. Issue 53. "give me an excuse, the smallest excuse, and you're gone!"


Matthew Morris wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

There was a real cool New Mutants book about faith in the first series.

Empath and Magma are talking about religion (Empath is Catholic, Magma is Roman). Magma tells Empath about the time she encountered Hercules (the Avenger and the god are the same being in the Marvel U). After telling him the story, and how it helped her through a crisis of faith, he asks if her faith is stronger for meeting her god, or if his is for believing He exists w.o meeting him?

She gets mad and walks away.

Just one of the reasons I really dug the Hellions. I hated the fact they got turned into legbreakers and then killed off in the space of two issues.

Then don't read Necrosha

** spoiler omitted **

I always thought Catseye was interesting, because she might be a mutant cat, not a mutant human. Since Roulette was hinted to be interested in Cypher, I was hoping to see her back.

Though nothing beats Illyana terrifying Empath in the original series. Issue 53. "give me an excuse, the smallest excuse, and you're gone!"

*sigh*

Well, maybe I'm being too fanboy-ish. I like villains, and I like bad guys, but it's important to discern between the two.

I liked the Hellions because they were bad guys, not villains. They were everything the New Mutants stood for, through a mirror darkly. Up until that issue of X-Men(I really liked it too, great art, I just didn't care for the characterization of the Hellions...MUCH better fight in New Warriors), they did go out in the community and fight bad guys on occasion, even helping the New Mutants once or twice. But they did it their own way, far from spit and polished. Property damage and loss of limb(if not life..it was the 80s after all) happened. But they could be as noble and honorable as the next guy, Thunderbird/Warpath, Jetstream(to a lesser extent), and Tarot all had softer sides to them that they occasionally let show. To bring them back as undead hecuvas intent on swallowing souls is an insult. Then again, I haven't read the issue.

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I liked the Hellions because I used to have adolescent fantasies about Catseye and Wolfsbane. Particularyly after the way the acted toward each other during the New Mutants issue of Asgardian Wars.


David Fryer wrote:
I liked the Hellions because I used to have adolescent fantasies about Catseye and Wolfsbane. Particularyly after the way the acted toward each other during the New Mutants issue of Asgardian Wars.

No...the flashbacks...the flashbacks! Years of therapy gone down the drain! sifts through back issues

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*nods* And re-reading the summaries of the stories on Uncannyxmen.net, I think Illyana would have ended up in a Hellion's uniform for that reason.

Off the top of my head:

Her commenting how she 'fit in' at the Hellfire club in #53.

In the X-men annual where the New Mutants save them, Storm comments how Mojo couldn't change the X-men's core nature and that's why they're X-men, and some of the New Mutants wouldn't be.

It's a shame we didn't see any 'future Hellions' when Illyna's 'port went to the different futures.

Gods I miss 80's comics.


Matthew Morris wrote:

*nods* And re-reading the summaries of the stories on Uncannyxmen.net, I think Illyana would have ended up in a Hellion's uniform for that reason.

Off the top of my head:

Her commenting how she 'fit in' at the Hellfire club in #53.

In the X-men annual where the New Mutants save them, Storm comments how Mojo couldn't change the X-men's core nature and that's why they're X-men, and some of the New Mutants wouldn't be.

It's a shame we didn't see any 'future Hellions' when Illyna's 'port went to the different futures.

Gods I miss 80's comics.

I remember and really didn't like that statement- it smacks far too much of the "born evil" philosophy that brings out the worst in comic books and those who read them. Still, I would have loved to see an alternate reality where the New Mutants were Hellions and vice versa. Roulette as a "good girl"....Wolvesbane as a "bad girl"....oh yeah....sifts through back issues

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David Fryer wrote:
I liked the Hellions because I used to have adolescent fantasies about Catseye and Wolfsbane. Particularyly after the way the acted toward each other during the New Mutants issue of Asgardian Wars.

Wasn't going to mention that, but with the hints that Dani and Rahne were really close back then it would have been interesting.

Spoiler:
*Dani and the boys are watching a movie, Dani turns beat red*
Sam: Chief, are ya ok?
Dani: Yes, I'm heading down to the gym to work off some steam, that's it, some steam.
Roberto: Hey! Proudstar's on the phone, wants to know if anyone's seen Catseye, maybe Rahne can sniff her out?
Dani: *even redder* I'll go check on them. Her! I meant Her!

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Freehold DM wrote:
I remember and really didn't like that statement- it smacks far too much of the "born evil" philosophy that brings out the worst in comic books and those who read them. Still, I would have loved to see an alternate reality where the New Mutants were Hellions and vice versa. Roulette as a "good girl"....Wolvesbane as a "bad girl"....oh yeah....sifts through back issues

Well in X-men forever...

Spoiler:
Some new villian turns little Illyana into 'Black Magik' and she tells the X-men that she wasn't turned evil, this is how she was. Given that, and that Kitty reverts to normal after being corrupted, I think that's what he was thinking.

I think the Hellions would have evolved into X-force light in the current universe. They'd be 'heroes' but where 'heroes don't kill' they would as a last resort. (or in Illyana's case, maybe worse) In the terms of the Paizo boards, the New Mutants would go and make the adventure harder by not dealing with the devil, but the Hellions would go 'Where do I sign?'

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Matthew Morris wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
I liked the Hellions because I used to have adolescent fantasies about Catseye and Wolfsbane. Particularyly after the way the acted toward each other during the New Mutants issue of Asgardian Wars.

Wasn't going to mention that, but with the hints that Dani and Rahne were really close back then it would have been interesting.

Magik and Shadowcat were really close back then as well.

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DM Wellard wrote:

Odin, along with the other Germanic Gods and Goddesses, is recognized by Germanic neopagans. His Norse form is particularly acknowledged in Ásatrú, the "faith in the Æsir", an officially recognized religion in Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Spain.

The Aesir worshippers never really went away just went underground when the Christians gained supremacy.

Funny story.

Once, a long time ago, when I was on the Dragon and Dungeon editorial staff at Wizards of the Coast, we received a letter to the editor from a follower of Asatru. She was very, very, VERY upset, because the first Dungeons & Dragons movie had just come out.

Only she wasn't upset for the same reason most D&D nerds like me were upset (because it sucked). No, she was upset because that movie featured a BLACK woman as an ELF, which offended her religious beliefs. Her religion, apparently, told her that elves were WHITE, and the casting of a black actress in an elf role was an affront to everything she held holy.

She demanded an apology.

Instead, her letter was posted in the hallway along side honest love letters to Darth Vader, schematics for real traps, and other lunatic letters we used to receive.

Ah, good times.


Erik Mona wrote:
DM Wellard wrote:

Odin, along with the other Germanic Gods and Goddesses, is recognized by Germanic neopagans. His Norse form is particularly acknowledged in Ásatrú, the "faith in the Æsir", an officially recognized religion in Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Spain.

The Aesir worshippers never really went away just went underground when the Christians gained supremacy.

Funny story.

Once, a long time ago, when I was on the Dragon and Dungeon editorial staff at Wizards of the Coast, we received a letter to the editor from a follower of Asatru. She was very, very, VERY upset, because the first Dungeons & Dragons movie had just come out.

Only she wasn't upset for the same reason most D&D nerds like me were upset (because it sucked). No, she was upset because that movie featured a BLACK woman as an ELF, which offended her religious beliefs. Her religion, apparently, told her that elves were WHITE, and the casting of a black actress in an elf role was an affront to everything she held holy.

She demanded an apology.

Instead, her letter was posted in the hallway along side honest love letters to Darth Vader, schematics for real traps, and other lunatic letters we used to receive.

Ah, good times.

I can't wait to tell my wife about this. She'll flip.

Don't tell her the elves in my homebrew look like a mixture of filipinos and native americans. It might start a holy war of sorts.


Erik Mona wrote:

Thanks.

But in a way no thanks because I've spent the last 20 minutes thinking about that terrible "Adversary" character and the exile of the X-Men to Australia, where we shifted from the Mutant Massacre and fun stuff like the Hellfire Club to absolutely interest-killing pablum like Gateway and Jubilee.

Ugh.

That storyline was why I quit the X-Men after following them for years. I discovered them during the Dark Phoenix storyline and went back and got all the issues of the "New X-Men." (The Dark Phoenix storyline still holds up today - if a bit wordy at times.)

Two sides notes:

The first six issues of the Black Panther run by Priest should be the basis for the movie - if they ever get around to making the damned thing.

The only things I read nowdays (I used to be a big comic book fan) is Warlord, Green Lantern (although that is starting to get old), Wonder Woman, Batman & Robin, Brave & the Bold, Anna Mercury (when it comes out) and reprints of comics from the '70's and '80's. (Really looking forward to the hardcover reprint of the Steve Englehart run on Black Panther.)

I miss Grimjack, Jon Sable and Sucide Squad. <sniff>


Erik Mona wrote:
DM Wellard wrote:

Odin, along with the other Germanic Gods and Goddesses, is recognized by Germanic neopagans. His Norse form is particularly acknowledged in Ásatrú, the "faith in the Æsir", an officially recognized religion in Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Spain.

The Aesir worshippers never really went away just went underground when the Christians gained supremacy.

Funny story.

Once, a long time ago, when I was on the Dragon and Dungeon editorial staff at Wizards of the Coast, we received a letter to the editor from a follower of Asatru. She was very, very, VERY upset, because the first Dungeons & Dragons movie had just come out.

Only she wasn't upset for the same reason most D&D nerds like me were upset (because it sucked). No, she was upset because that movie featured a BLACK woman as an ELF, which offended her religious beliefs. Her religion, apparently, told her that elves were WHITE, and the casting of a black actress in an elf role was an affront to everything she held holy.

She demanded an apology.

Instead, her letter was posted in the hallway along side honest love letters to Darth Vader, schematics for real traps, and other lunatic letters we used to receive.

Ah, good times.

Okay, that is legitimately funny. :-)

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Erik Mona wrote:
DM Wellard wrote:

Odin, along with the other Germanic Gods and Goddesses, is recognized by Germanic neopagans. His Norse form is particularly acknowledged in Ásatrú, the "faith in the Æsir", an officially recognized religion in Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Spain.

The Aesir worshippers never really went away just went underground when the Christians gained supremacy.

Funny story.

Once, a long time ago, when I was on the Dragon and Dungeon editorial staff at Wizards of the Coast, we received a letter to the editor from a follower of Asatru. She was very, very, VERY upset, because the first Dungeons & Dragons movie had just come out.

Only she wasn't upset for the same reason most D&D nerds like me were upset (because it sucked). No, she was upset because that movie featured a BLACK woman as an ELF, which offended her religious beliefs. Her religion, apparently, told her that elves were WHITE, and the casting of a black actress in an elf role was an affront to everything she held holy.

She demanded an apology.

Instead, her letter was posted in the hallway along side honest love letters to Darth Vader, schematics for real traps, and other lunatic letters we used to receive.

Ah, good times.

One of the all time funniest things I have heard.


Wife just died with laughter.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
The power of a MILLION EXPLODING SUNS? reaaaaally?

Yes, the same Marvel universe scientists that have tried and failed and accidentally mutated the hell out of people trying to recreate the darned Super-Soldier Formula (or using the Power Broker process, which kills some recruits, and deforms / mangles a decent percentage of them), can apparently create a test-tube of liquid that can give an ordinary man the power of a meeeellyon exploding suns. (It's more fun to say it in a Dr. Evil voice.)

As I read over on the Atomic Think Tank, what was in that vial anyway, the collected spooge of the Elders of the Universe? "Mmm. Salty."

.

I also miss the Hellions, particularly Catseye and Empath, but to a lesser extent, Roulette and Tarot. I think that death is a bit too cheap (and too easily reversed), but I'd be willing to set aside my dislike for pointless ressurections to bring Catseye back. She might make a nice addition to X-Factor, with Rahne trapped over there on Team Schnikt-Bub with all claw/knife folk.

Cypher might be an interesting character if his translation powers were expanded to allow him to scramble communications in his area, or even scramble the communications between someone's brain and body, leaving them writhing in epileptic fits from signal overload (similar to how some neurotoxins cause tremors, etc. by saturating ion channels or whatever science-y technobabble I'm making up as I type). He could even learn to enhance nonverbal communications among his allies to the point where they would understand each other's intent from meaningful glances or shifts in posture, creating the same sort of combat-utility as the 'telepathic coordination' that telepaths used to use.

(Best relatively recent reference to Cypher was in New X-Men, where a powerless ex-mutant going on a mission shows up strapped with guns and body armor, and a teammate asks, 'What's with the body armor?' and he replies, 'Ever heard of Doug Ramsey?' 'No.' 'No you haven't, and that's why I'm wearing body armor...')

Or they could just strap him into Warlock, and let him punch things, the way he did during the Asgardian adventures. That was cool, too, and a better use of Warlock than as a walking plot device with unlimited cosmic power and the ability to turn any enemy they face into an even greater immortal threat via his techno-organic transmode virus (see, Sym or Nastirh or Hodge or possibly the Phalanx).

I swear, Warlock was worse than Hank Pym (creator of Ultron) and Brainiac 5 (creator of Computo) rolled into one, when it comes to making bad situations worse!

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Set wrote:
Yes, the same Marvel universe scientists that have tried and failed and accidentally mutated the hell out of people trying to recreate the darned Super-Soldier Formula (or using the Power Broker process, which kills some recruits, and deforms / mangles a decent percentage of them), can apparently create a test-tube of liquid that can give an ordinary man the power of a meeeellyon exploding suns. (It's more fun to say it in a Dr. Evil voice.)

To be fair, even from a few years ago when they "introduced" the Sentry character (ie retconned him into the entire mythology) there has been a lot of hints in the writing that his entire backstory and origin are a fable, and they're "hanging a lampshade on it" by making it so 60's-style cliche.

It kinda reminds me of the classic John Byrne Alpha Flight, where James McDonald Hudson, who has been dead for months, suddenly shows up at his widow Heather's house, claiming to have accidentally teleported himself to the moon Titan, where the friendly aliens healed him up and built him a spaceship to return to Earth...what could have been the second wackiest resurrection story in comics history* turns out to be a cover story, it's not James, just some evil robot dude.

* first will always be "Jean Grey is in a cocoon, Phoenix was a fake" from X-Factor #1

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delabarre wrote:

It kinda reminds me of the classic John Byrne Alpha Flight, where James McDonald Hudson, who has been dead for months, suddenly shows up at his widow Heather's house, claiming to have accidentally teleported himself to the moon Titan, where the friendly aliens healed him up and built him a spaceship to return to Earth...what could have been the second wackiest resurrection story in comics history* turns out to be a cover story, it's not James, just some evil robot dude.

* first will always be "Jean Grey is in a cocoon, Phoenix was a fake" from X-Factor #1

That story made me a Madison Jeffreys fan there. He beats up Omega Flight with a VW Bug, then takes out 'James' in one panel.

For the record, Omega has just beat Alpha, and was running from the Beyonder when Madison did this.

Though later that story turned out to be true. It was the same issue where Box became the nastiest combat unit on the planet. "We'll psi-link Forge with Box. They encounter a threat, Forge thinks of the counter, Madison builds it. Simple."

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James Hudson was proof that the Marvel writers were capable of making bad decisions even before now. He was resurected like what, five times? And the decision always seemed to be "we have Heather in a commited and happy relationship, it's time to ressurect Guardian again."


Set wrote:

I also miss the Hellions, particularly Catseye and Empath, but to a lesser extent, Roulette and Tarot. I think that death is a bit too cheap (and too easily reversed), but I'd be willing to set aside my dislike for pointless ressurections to bring Catseye back. She might make a nice addition to X-Factor, with Rahne trapped over there on Team Bub-Snikt with all claw/claw/bite folk.

Fixed.

Also, you might want to check out Doug Ramsey in Age of Apocalypse- Translation Field was AMAZING...

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David Fryer wrote:
James Hudson was proof that the Marvel writers were capable of making bad decisions even before now. He was resurected like what, five times? And the decision always seemed to be "we have Heather in a commited and happy relationship, it's time to ressurect Guardian again."

I'll agree here. Jimmy should have stayed dead, like Buck-

er nevermind. Like Mimi-

er nevermind. Like Jason Tod-

er nevermind. Uncle Ben is still dead, right?

A good death is important for a character development and shouldn't be retconned.

Batman - his parents murder has come to define what made Bruce Batman. At the same time, how Dick and Tim have reacted to their parents' deaths show that not everyone needs to take the dark brooding catalyst.

Spiderman - Both Uncle Ben and Gwen Stacey are defining moments in his past. Part of his being who he is comes from wanting to make penance for his past.

Alpha Flight - after issue 12 AF had the goal of keeping James Hudson's dream alive.

X-men: Thunderbird for the X-men, and then later Doug as an example for all the students.

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I do think comics need to be more fatal. Even if it riskes losing readers (I won't read Cap until Steve holds the shield) with the shift to trade paperbacks, it would work in the sense that you have the original 5 X-men killed/retired and any suvivors guest star, tehn point the reader to the TPB to get the details on who this cool old guy is. For example, I wouldn't mind seeing Eric Masterson/Thor/Thunderstrike in flashbacks, but his sacrifice at the end was perfectly in character and he deserves the reward of not being on the death merry-go-round.


Matthew, your thoughts on X-Factor Forever? Just curious.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Matthew, your thoughts on X-Factor Forever? Just curious.

I've not read it, but I will admit I'm curious how it will go. X-men forever has been panned by a lot of reviews, and I think Claremont killed Wolverine just for the shock factor.

I've read in interviews that Nathan's tk bubble repells Jean because they're the same polarity, like two magnets. I did enjoy the character of Ship, and wonder if the New Mutants (minus Illyana *sigh*) will show up in the book. Does it have the blue and furry Beast or the stronger/dumber one?


Matthew Morris wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Matthew, your thoughts on X-Factor Forever? Just curious.

I've not read it, but I will admit I'm curious how it will go. X-men forever has been panned by a lot of reviews, and I think Claremont killed Wolverine just for the shock factor.

I've read in interviews that Nathan's tk bubble repells Jean because they're the same polarity, like two magnets. I did enjoy the character of Ship, and wonder if the New Mutants (minus Illyana *sigh*) will show up in the book. Does it have the blue and furry Beast or the stronger/dumber one?

Blue furry one we all love. Didn't care for beast as an imbecile, myself. Though I HATE him at Tony The Tiger. "Read X-Men, kids! It's GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!"

Yeah, I'd say he killed wolverine for the shock and awe and to stick a thumb in the eye of wolverine fans. It's unfortunate, because it probably killed the book as well, and I wanted to see more done with the book before it fizzled out.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Matthew, your thoughts on X-Factor Forever? Just curious.

I've not read it, but I will admit I'm curious how it will go. X-men forever has been panned by a lot of reviews, and I think Claremont killed Wolverine just for the shock factor.

I've read in interviews that Nathan's tk bubble repells Jean because they're the same polarity, like two magnets. I did enjoy the character of Ship, and wonder if the New Mutants (minus Illyana *sigh*) will show up in the book. Does it have the blue and furry Beast or the stronger/dumber one?

Blue furry one we all love. Didn't care for beast as an imbecile, myself.

Yeah, I'd say he killed wolverine for the shock and awe and to stick a thumb in the eye of wolverine fans. It's unfortunate, because it probably killed the book as well, and I wanted to see more done with the book before it fizzled out.

Same here. I wanted to see what he'd do with Logan, not with James Howlett. *sigh* I know Louise Simson's run on X-factor wasn't loved by all, but I'm always curious to see what twists come from the writers minds w/o executive medling. (like why is it that Mystique is immune to burnout)

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I have to admit to being slightly disapointed with the decision to make Shatterstar bisexual, only because as a pretty boy character he seems like the obvious choice. I think that if they will really wanted to make an existing hero gay, they should have used Cyclops. He is one of my favorite characters and him being gay would explain why he is always so uptight and guarded even with the women that he "loves." Rictor as bisexual was a shock, but I think it really works.

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David Fryer wrote:
I have to admit to being slightly disapointed with the decision to make Shatterstar bisexual, only because as a pretty boy character he seems like the obvious choice. I think that if they will really wanted to make an existing hero gay, they should have used Cyclops. He is one of my favorite characters and him being gay would explain why he is always so uptight and guarded even with the women that he "loves." Rictor as bisexual was a shock, but I think it really works.

I've read a bit on this. Apparently the original intention of Liefield (assuming that he had an intention besides headgear and sharp objects) was that he didn't have a sexual identity and was going to discover it. PAD went on this direction, maybe influenced by Spartans? Liefield had a fit that his character was being defiled, and PAD has been tweaking him with it ever since.

Link here, with Peter David's comments.

"Tell me Shatterstar... Do you like Gladiator Movies?"


Freehold DM wrote:
Yeah, I'd say he killed wolverine for the shock and awe and to stick a thumb in the eye of wolverine fans.

You mean that somewhere there is an X-men team that doesn't have Wolverine in it? I was beginning to think he had one of those "secondary mutations" that enabled him to duplicate himself enough times to be in every Marvel Comics team. Have they managed to put him in the Fantastic Four yet?


Jason Ellis 350 wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Yeah, I'd say he killed wolverine for the shock and awe and to stick a thumb in the eye of wolverine fans.
You mean that somewhere there is an X-men team that doesn't have Wolverine in it? I was beginning to think he had one of those "secondary mutations" that enabled him to duplicate himself enough times to be in every Marvel Comics team. Have they managed to put him in the Fantastic Four yet?

Yeah, you missed Wolverine on the Fantastic Four. Issues 347-349 of the first series.

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delabarre wrote:
To be fair, even from a few years ago when they "introduced" the Sentry character (ie retconned him into the entire mythology) there has been a lot of hints in the writing that his entire backstory and origin are a fable, and they're "hanging a lampshade on it" by making it so 60's-style cliche.

In my imagination, years ago, when Galactus came to Earth and was saved from death by the actions of Reed Richards, Thor, etc., some fragment of his power (which was being cycled out of his body, enhanced, and shunted back in) remained stuck in the machine after it was shut down so abruptly (since he was draining Thor's life-force, at that point). Instead of the elixir being some combination of chemicals and diet soda, I'd make it a little tiny fragment of Galactus' stolen power, that the Sentry ingested. The Void represents the hungry nihilistic side of Galactus.

This way, the Sentry's power 'makes sense' in comic-book terms, and can get logically written out through some appropriate contrivance, such as Galactus showing up to take his power back.

David Fryer wrote:
I think that if they will really wanted to make an existing hero gay, they should have used Cyclops.

Cyclops always seems to be with the incredibly hot women that *everybody* wants, and, if anything, seems a bit co-dependent, since he so rarely spends more than a week without having some babe in his bed (going from Jean to the hot blonde pilot to Madelaine to Jean again to Emma, in several cases not actually completing one breakup before being in bed with someone else). He's pretty darn alpha male, practically the Captain America of the mutant community.

I'd think that moody emo loner who never seems able to consummate a relationship with a woman, like Wolverine, would be a more appropriate choice to 'gay up.' (Not that he'd be appropriate either, IMO, but he'd be much more in-character than Cyke, IMO.)

Shatterstar and Rictor works for me, mainly because (he admits sheepishly), I know little or nothing about either character, so it doesn't represent some enormous shocking change for me, as it would if Storm or Angel switched teams. I'm really enjoying Guido's clear discomfort with the situation, since superheroes tend to be 'too good to be true' in their reactions, automatically accepting and even occasionally patronizing in their views on race / gender / etc. in some cases, and having Guido be visibly uncomfortable with what's going on, and having an imperfect human reaction, is a breath of fresh air.

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