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I lurved me some Whedon/Cassaday Astonishing X-Men. Too bad it took so long to crank out issues.
And I say that with the full recognition that even Joss is capable of writing some boring crap. *cough*Runaways*cough*. Occasionally.
I have been very pleasantly surprised and impressed with Matt Fraction's work on Uncanny the past couple of years.
And, tying this back to the thread topic...Joe Q needed to go when he rewound the entire Spider-Man mythology back to sometime in the late '60s, rendering ~40 years of continuity null and void. Frakker.
Who would be the Marvel equivalent of Kyle Rayner? :)
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Who would be the Marvel equivalent of Kyle Rayner? :)
Peter Parker: MArriage erased because joe Quesadia thought he was too 'old' as married.
Scott Summers: Killed Jean (again!) to make him 'more interesting'.
Hank Pym: Killed Janet VanDyne, making him darker and edgier.
Madison Jefferies: Ignored the fact that he's married, only to a) kill his wife in a one panel throw away "Look how deadly the bad guy is" moment and then have him infatuated with a robot not even a week later.
That's off the top of my head. :-(
Who would be the Marvel equivalent of Kyle Rayner? :)Peter Parker: MArriage erased because joe Quesadia thought he was too 'old' as married.
Scott Summers: Killed Jean (again!) to make him 'more interesting'.
Hank Pym: Killed Janet VanDyne, making him darker and edgier.
Madison Jefferies: Ignored the fact that he's married, only to a) kill his wife in a one panel throw away "Look how deadly the bad guy is" moment and then have him infatuated with a robot not even a week later.
That's off the top of my head. :-(
That's quite the list of atrocities.
NuMarvel loves Alpha Flight. I guess they're trying to keep up with DC's destruction of Giffen's JLA/JLI.
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Honestly guys, Marvel and DC become much more enjoyable when you start picking and choosing what's canon and what isn't.
Although I do wish Storm would finally hook up with someone. Forge, Yukio, hell, even Callisto or Thor. Just get out some, dammit.
Heard Peter Parker and Mary Jane were reunited with their daughter recently too. It's about time!
Also, really glad half of those mindwipe reveals turned out to be fake. Man, that was a good feint. I almost got mad for a second when they revealed some villains turned good just because they were programmed to! Good thing no competent editor would allow something that stupid to go through!
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Although I do wish Storm would finally hook up with someone. Forge, Yukio, hell, even Callisto or Thor. Just get out some, dammit.Didn't she "hook up" with Black Panther in a big way?
Yes, that was horrible.
"We need to get Storm married."
"Well, she's been attracted to Forge, Bishop..."
"How about the Black Panther?"
"The guys outside the voting places, intimidating voters?"
"No, the african guy, superhero."
"Oh, him! Well they have no background together-"
"Big deal! They're both BLACK! They're both from AFRICA! $%$%%# DC's Lois and Clark, they'll be our first BLACK supercouple."
"Well actually, she was born in America..."
"Who cares! She's BLACK!"
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"Well actually, she was born in America..."Wasn't she born in Cairo?
She was born in New York to an African mother and American father. This being the 70's(at the time, you know), they felt things would be better for their family in Cairo what with social unrest and rising crime rates in America and so on. That didn't work out. After they were killed, Ororo went street urchin for the next 10 or so years.
IIRC, her mom had white hair too, like her older ancestors further up the blood line who were apparently a line of powerful witches.
I'm not sure if her mother was from Kenya or Egypt. I'm fairly certain the line of witches were from Kenya.
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Oh, and heaven forbid they have character development from the plot complications.
Doug's back, and has a power upgrade. But we've not seen:
- Rahne's reaction (you know, the girl he died saving)
- Eric's reaction (the guy on who's watch he died)
- Betsy's reaction (the original cougar, and they were mindlinked)
Of course they've frakked up Rahne so bad (She has CLAWS, lets make her a killing machine like every other mutant with CLAWS!) that I'd like her on the NM team just to hit her with high doses of Retcon.
At least they've come up with something of a reason why selffriend Warlock isn't cosmic powered anymore. (apparently they forgot he can feed off of other soruces too, "Selfteacher Eric-Magneto, can you boost self into orbit so that self may travel to the sun for a quick charge?")
I also hope Doug annoys the hell out of people with his new power, answering questions before people ask them, by reading body language, subverting telepathy, information absorbtion...
I'm pretty sure the X-books are broken beyond repair at this point.
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I'm pretty sure the X-books are broken beyond repair at this point.
So far, my New Mutants are self contained. I was worried when Dani became super valk in Utopia, but that seems to be a one shot.
(as an aside, what kind of leader is Sam anyway, "Sure Dani, I give in, you can go in the field with your SHIELD training, but lets not load you up with gear, even though we have an entire group of geniuses including the guy who rebuilt the Vindicator battlesuit 3 times!" At the very least, Dani should have the battlesuit, and Dani, Doug and Bobby should have the forcefield generators.Edit: As an aside with the last blizzard one of my FB friends posted a prayer to Thor. I replied "Danielle Moonstar is my Valkyrie."
I'm pretty sure the X-books are broken beyond repair at this point.So far, my New Mutants are self contained. I was worried when Dani became super valk in Utopia, but that seems to be a one shot.
(as an aside, what kind of leader is Sam anyway, "Sure Dani, I give in, you can go in the field with your SHIELD training, but lets not load you up with gear, even though we have an entire group of geniuses including the guy who rebuilt the Vindicator battlesuit 3 times!" At the very least, Dani should have the battlesuit, and Dani, Doug and Bobby should have the forcefield generators.Edit: As an aside with the last blizzard one of my FB friends posted a prayer to Thor. I replied "Danielle Moonstar is my Valkyrie."
That's it. I'm giving you extensive plastic surgery and having you replace the man.
I'm pretty sure the X-books are broken beyond repair at this point.
Yep.
TBH,theyve been in a downward spiral since claermont left. Add in too many X-Books and way too many crossovers and you have something old and tired. Spider Man went south during the whole clone thing way back, and the last good hulk thing was Planet Hulk, etc.
Marvel has been kinda dead to me for a long time, though I still picked up FF and the Hulk for awhile longer.
I think DC is still on the money as far as story goes (for the most part). Probably why Ive always liked them more.
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That's it. I'm giving you extensive plastic surgery and having you replace the man.I'm pretty sure the X-books are broken beyond repair at this point.So far, my New Mutants are self contained. I was worried when Dani became super valk in Utopia, but that seems to be a one shot.
(as an aside, what kind of leader is Sam anyway, "Sure Dani, I give in, you can go in the field with your SHIELD training, but lets not load you up with gear, even though we have an entire group of geniuses including the guy who rebuilt the Vindicator battlesuit 3 times!" At the very least, Dani should have the battlesuit, and Dani, Doug and Bobby should have the forcefield generators.Edit: As an aside with the last blizzard one of my FB friends posted a prayer to Thor. I replied "Danielle Moonstar is my Valkyrie."
Not sure if that's a compliment or not. Aside the second. None of them have stats for Forge's spandex body armour from the dissolution and rebirth storyline? If you're putting the non-transforming types in standard uniforms, at least give them the armour that stops large caliber rounds. Especially the x-babies (Pixie, Anole, Hellion, etc)
None of them have stats for Forge's spandex body armour from the dissolution and rebirth storyline? If you're putting the non-transforming types in standard uniforms, at least give them the armour that stops large caliber rounds. Especially the x-babies (Pixie, Anole, Hellion, etc)
That involves continuity. Marvel doesn't do continuity.
Well, neither does DC, really.
I guess you guys are a little to riled up right now to hear about the new Pink Hulk, huh?
Although I do wish Storm would finally hook up with someone. Forge, Yukio, hell, even Callisto or Thor. Just get out some, dammit.Didn't she "hook up" with Black Panther in a big way?Yes, that was horrible.
"We need to get Storm married."
"Well, she's been attracted to Forge, Bishop..."
"How about the Black Panther?"
"The guys outside the voting places, intimidating voters?"
"No, the african guy, superhero."
"Oh, him! Well they have no background together-"
"Big deal! They're both BLACK! They're both from AFRICA! $%$%%# DC's Lois and Clark, they'll be our first BLACK supercouple."
"Well actually, she was born in America..."
"Who cares! She's BLACK!"
Yeah how dare they?
I mean it's not like they retcon and fabricate relationships and stories in comics ALL THE TIME.
God forbid they portray a relationship between a black male and a black female in comics. I mean as far as I know they're the ONLY black couple IN Comics.
White couples, OK!
Mixed race couples, OK!
Mixed SPECIES couples, OK!
Black Couples? NO! BAD!
I guess you guys are a little to riled up right now to hear about the new Pink Hulk, huh?....you can't be serious.
I seldom am, Mac.
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Although I do wish Storm would finally hook up with someone. Forge, Yukio, hell, even Callisto or Thor. Just get out some, dammit.Didn't she "hook up" with Black Panther in a big way?Yes, that was horrible.
"We need to get Storm married."
"Well, she's been attracted to Forge, Bishop..."
"How about the Black Panther?"
"The guys outside the voting places, intimidating voters?"
"No, the african guy, superhero."
"Oh, him! Well they have no background together-"
"Big deal! They're both BLACK! They're both from AFRICA! $%$%%# DC's Lois and Clark, they'll be our first BLACK supercouple."
"Well actually, she was born in America..."
"Who cares! She's BLACK!"
Yeah how dare they?
I mean it's not like they retcon and fabricate relationships and stories in comics ALL THE TIME.
God forbid they portray a relationship between a black male and a black female in comics. I mean as far as I know they're the ONLY black couple IN Comics.
White couples, OK!
Mixed race couples, OK!
Mixed SPECIES couples, OK!
Black Couples? NO! BAD!
Black couple? No problem.
THIS black couple? Yeah, bit of an issue.
Storm Bishop would have made more sense before Bishop went completely nuts for no reason whatsoever.
Storm Forge made a helluva lot of sense given the years of history built up.
Storm Black Panther doesn't make sense without adding a lot of hidden story to it to make it make sense. That kind of writing is what's the problem, not the fact that it's two black characters. It's a 'gotcha', an' everything you knew was wrong'. Used sparingly these can be effective. They are used too frequently by both major companies and seem to be the standard trick in Marvel's armoury.
Black couple? No problem.THIS black couple? Yeah, bit of an issue.
Storm Bishop would have made more sense before Bishop went completely nuts for no reason whatsoever.
Storm Forge made a helluva lot of sense given the years of history built up.
Storm Black Panther doesn't make sense without adding a lot of hidden story to it to make it make sense. That kind of writing is what's the problem, not the fact that it's two black characters. It's a 'gotcha', an' everything you knew was wrong'. Used sparingly these can be effective. They are used too frequently by both major companies and seem to be the standard trick in Marvel's armoury.
Comics have been retonning relationships and stories for years. they retconned Jean Grey back into marvel continuity just so they could get the original x-men into X-force.
They retconned this whole Illuminati thing into marvel continuity.
Geoff Johns retconned both Hal Jordan and Barry Allen back into DC continuity.
Ed Brubaker poofed a 3rd Summers brother into existence, and retconned Bucky back into Marvel continuity.
But Black Panther marrying Storm deserves the kind of pure bile that it's gotten? Okay, I guess?
Black couple? No problem.THIS black couple? Yeah, bit of an issue.
Storm Bishop would have made more sense before Bishop went completely nuts for no reason whatsoever.
Storm Forge made a helluva lot of sense given the years of history built up.
Storm Black Panther doesn't make sense without adding a lot of hidden story to it to make it make sense. That kind of writing is what's the problem, not the fact that it's two black characters. It's a 'gotcha', an' everything you knew was wrong'. Used sparingly these can be effective. They are used too frequently by both major companies and seem to be the standard trick in Marvel's armoury.
Comics have been retonning relationships and stories for years. they retconned Jean Grey back into marvel continuity just so they could get the original x-men into X-force.
They retconned this whole Illuminati thing into marvel continuity.
Geoff Johns retconned both Hal Jordan and Barry Allen back into DC continuity.
Ed Brubaker poofed a 3rd Summers brother into existence, and retconned Bucky back into Marvel continuity.
But Black Panther marrying Storm deserves the kind of pure bile that it's gotten? Okay, I guess?
Yes, because it's just a bad idea. Seriously. T'Challa and Storm? Come ON! What would they possibly have to talk about on a date?
T'Challa- Y'know, I'm king of my own nation....
Storm- I was a goddess, worshipped by several tribes.
T'Challa- Oh..well..uh..you know, Vibranium is our main export, which makes us rather wealthy, and-
Storm- My on-again-off-again has an Adamantium skeleton. And my father figure has intergalactic levels of wealth.
T'Challa- Ah...well...did I mention that I'm a crimefighter? I've taken out the White Ape, Bushwacker, Red Skull(Note: Perhaps one of the best Black Panther fights I've ever seen) with my amazing reflexes and near superhuman strength-
Storm- I've lead my team of mutants to victory time and time again. I've lead an entire underground society on several occasions by periodically beating the crap out of any leaders who thought they could come up and steal my crown. And that was without using my powers. Did I mention I could control the weather and shoot lightning bolts from my hands?
T'Challa- Check, please.
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Black couple? No problem.
THIS black couple? Yeah, bit of an issue.
Storm Bishop would have made more sense before Bishop went completely nuts for no reason whatsoever.
Storm Forge made a helluva lot of sense given the years of history built up.
Storm Black Panther doesn't make sense without adding a lot of hidden story to it to make it make sense. That kind of writing is what's the problem, not the fact that it's two black characters. It's a 'gotcha', an' everything you knew was wrong'. Used sparingly these can be effective. They are used too frequently by both major companies and seem to be the standard trick in Marvel's armoury.
This, Shin.
Hooking Storm up with Bishop would have made sense, and added a new level. (Like I said, Bishop idolized Storm, how do you handle it when your goddess wakes up with bedhead?) But instead we have a new backstory added where T'Challa has a backstory entered where he met Ororo when she was 12 had sex with the 12 year old Ororo and then later married her. (like 10-20 years later). Hooking Storm up with Forge would have made more sense. The only reason by the writers' own admission they did it was marketing, nothing organic in the characters backgrounds.
But hey, if you really think my issue is that my problem is that the writers married a black couple, and not the reasons for WHY they did it, maybe you're Marvel's target demographic now.
Black couple? No problem.
THIS black couple? Yeah, bit of an issue.
Storm Bishop would have made more sense before Bishop went completely nuts for no reason whatsoever.
Storm Forge made a helluva lot of sense given the years of history built up.
Storm Black Panther doesn't make sense without adding a lot of hidden story to it to make it make sense. That kind of writing is what's the problem, not the fact that it's two black characters. It's a 'gotcha', an' everything you knew was wrong'. Used sparingly these can be effective. They are used too frequently by both major companies and seem to be the standard trick in Marvel's armoury.
This, Shin.
Hooking Storm up with Bishop would have made sense, and added a new level. (Like I said, Bishop idolized Storm, how do you handle it when your goddess wakes up with bedhead?) But instead we have a new backstory added where T'Challa has a backstory entered where he met Ororo when she was 12 had sex with the 12 year old Ororo and then later married her. (like 10-20 years later). Hooking Storm up with Forge would have made more sense. The only reason by the writers' own admission they did it was marketing, nothing organic in the characters backgrounds.
But hey, if you really think my issue is that my problem is that the writers married a black couple, and not the reasons for WHY they did it, maybe you're Marvel's target demographic now.
ARRRRRRGH!
I'm sorry Matthew I just lost an entire post here.
Anyway I'll sum it up: In your post you pointed out that the only reason that you felt that they were marrying off these characters is because they were black. Despite mentioning Bishop as one of her potential suitors, which now that I think about it is a little confusing (unless Bishop isnt black, which would make more sense). Personally I've never liked or cared for ANY of Storms former paramours, with the exception of Forge.
As for me being part of Marvel's demographic: I've been collecting and reading comics since I was 6 years old. I have no problem reading about characters who arent black, as most of both universes (Marvel & DC) are made up of predominately white characters. When I (and I suspect I'm not the only black comics reader who feels this way) see a black character who is well done I tend to appreciate them a little more. Being that Storm and T'challa are probably the ONLY black couple in superhero comics I get a little defensive when people denigrate that for what I see as trivial reasons. Yeah it's only comics but I'm admittedly a little defensive of black characters in comics. There really arent a whole lot of them who are well done and Christopher Priest's Black Panther run was probably one of the best books with a black lead ever.
I must be the only one who liked Black Panther and Storm getting married.
You're not the only one, but you're in the minority.
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Black couple? No problem.
THIS black couple? Yeah, bit of an issue.
Storm Bishop would have made more sense before Bishop went completely nuts for no reason whatsoever.
Storm Forge made a helluva lot of sense given the years of history built up.
Storm Black Panther doesn't make sense without adding a lot of hidden story to it to make it make sense. That kind of writing is what's the problem, not the fact that it's two black characters. It's a 'gotcha', an' everything you knew was wrong'. Used sparingly these can be effective. They are used too frequently by both major companies and seem to be the standard trick in Marvel's armoury.
This, Shin.
Hooking Storm up with Bishop would have made sense, and added a new level. (Like I said, Bishop idolized Storm, how do you handle it when your goddess wakes up with bedhead?) But instead we have a new backstory added where T'Challa has a backstory entered where he met Ororo when she was 12 had sex with the 12 year old Ororo and then later married her. (like 10-20 years later). Hooking Storm up with Forge would have made more sense. The only reason by the writers' own admission they did it was marketing, nothing organic in the characters backgrounds.
But hey, if you really think my issue is that my problem is that the writers married a black couple, and not the reasons for WHY they did it, maybe you're Marvel's target demographic now.
ARRRRRRGH!
I'm sorry Matthew I just lost an entire post here.
Anyway I'll sum it up: In your post you pointed out that the only reason that you felt that they were marrying off these characters is because they were black. Despite mentioning Bishop as one of her potential suitors, which now that I think about it is a little confusing (unless Bishop isnt black, which would make more sense). Personally I've never liked or cared for ANY of Storms former paramours, with the exception of Forge.
Anyway I'll sum it up: In your post you pointed out that the only reason that you felt that they were marrying off these characters is because they were black. Despite mentioning Bishop as one of her potential suitors, which now that I think about it is a little confusing (unless Bishop isnt black, which would make more sense). Personally I've never liked or cared for ANY of Storms former paramours, with the exception of Forge.
As for me being part of Marvel's demographic: I've been collecting and reading comics since I was 6 years old. I have no problem reading about characters who arent black, as most of both universes (Marvel & DC) are made up of predominately white characters. When I (and I suspect I'm not the only black comics reader who feels this way) see a black character who is well done I tend to appreciate them a little more. Being that Storm and T'challa are probably the ONLY black couple in superhero comics I get a little defensive when people denigrate that for what I see as trivial reasons. Yeah it's only comics but I'm admittedly a little defensive of black characters in comics. There really arent a whole lot of them who are well done and Christopher Priest's Black Panther run was probably one of the best books with a black lead ever.
Oh, Priest's run was absolutely fan-^&*%ing-tastic. Very high quality book, with a black lead or no. No question about that.
The problem I have with this is that it's a complete relationship without any history that comes out of literally nowhere fully-formed. That's sloppy writing. If they'd actually built things up in the comics rather than just as a quick fix fait accomplit, I doubt it would have half the problems it has. I'm just as opposed to the complete personality transplants they've done with Rahne Sinclair in X-Force and One More Day in Spider-Man. In all three cases, the race is irrelevant, it's the fact that it's bad storytelling that gets me.
In your other examples (apart from the Illuminati which is also up there in "You waht??!!' territory, things were built up. The 3rd Summers brother was first introduced around issue 24 of adjectiveless X-Men, so this isn't something made up out of whole cloth. That said, I disliked the instant history of Vulcan but at least they put a fig leaf on it as to why it was never mentioned previously. With the Ororo and T'Challa relationship, there wasn't even that, it was just "They've always been in love, the fact that they had long and deep relationships with other people being completely irrelevant, this is their one true love, even though they've never shown any sign of it previously".
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To ... some writer's credit, this kind of retcon usually doesn't stick. And sometimes, the plot holes are the basis for better stories.
Carol Danvers was (let's see if I get this straight) mesmerized by the entity Michael, who then forcibly impregnated her with his pre-natal time-travelling clone, and none of the other Avengers objected in the least little bit. That was just criminally bad writing, but it gave another writer, years later, an opportunity for a good story when Ms. Marvel calls them on the carpet for not coming to her aid.
So, just wait until 2014, when the Black Panther uncovers the news that Mastermind planted all this romantic backstory folderoll, to get Storm half-a-world away long enough for him to complete some nefarous scheme or another in America.
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To ... some writer's credit, this kind of retcon usually doesn't stick. And sometimes, the plot holes are the basis for better stories.
Carol Danvers was (let's see if I get this straight) mesmerized by the entity Michael, who then forcibly impregnated her with his pre-natal time-travelling clone, and none of the other Avengers objected in the least little bit. That was just criminally bad writing, but it gave another writer, years later, an opportunity for a good story when Ms. Marvel calls them on the carpet for not coming to her aid.
So, just wait until 2014, when the Black Panther uncovers the news that Mastermind planted all this romantic backstory folderoll, to get Storm half-a-world away long enough for him to complete some nefarous scheme or another in America.
Technically that Mastermind is dead and there are two female Masterminds (both working for the Red Queen until she died again). Still, there is no stupidity a good, well written retcon cannot overcome. ;-)
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Bishop is, well was before the writers went crazy, awesome (and yes, black too). Here's the spotlight on him.
I understand your protectiveness of characters. Thunderstrike was, to my knowlege, the only left handed superhero, unless the art in War Machine was accurate about Jim. I've also noticed that he's as close as you get to a 'self made' black super hero. Most are either mutants/metahumans like Storm, Bishop or Thunder and Lightning on the DC side, or are given their powers/gear by someone else, like Falcon Green Lantern and Black Goliath. Mr. Terrific seems to be the only other 'self made' hero.
As much as I like heroes growing older and marrying (I like the DCU for that reason, look at the JLA/Titans/Teen Titans, 3 generations there) I think that Black Panther/Storm relationship was done poorly, and the writers admit it was done for publicity.
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Bishop is, well was before the writers went crazy, awesome (and yes, black too). Here's the spotlight on him.
I understand your protectiveness of characters. Thunderstrike was, to my knowlege, the only left handed superhero, unless the art in War Machine was accurate about Jim. I've also noticed that he's as close as you get to a 'self made' black super hero. Most are either mutants/metahumans like Storm, Bishop or Thunder and Lightning on the DC side, or are given their powers/gear by someone else, like Falcon Green Lantern and Black Goliath. Mr. Terrific seems to be the only other 'self made' hero.
As much as I like heroes growing older and marrying (I like the DCU for that reason, look at the JLA/Titans/Teen Titans, 3 generations there) I think that Black Panther/Storm relationship was done poorly, and the writers admit it was done for publicity.
Just to clarify: Jim Rhodes (War Machine) is the self-made black hero, rather than Eric Masterson (Thunderstrike) who was very white, IIRC, correct?. Also, didn't Rhodey get his start when Tony Stark gave him his armour when he went off into the bottle?
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Just to clarify: Jim Rhodes (War Machine) is the self-made black hero, rather than Eric Masterson (Thunderstrike) who was very white, IIRC, correct?. Also, didn't Rhodey get his start when Tony Stark gave him his armour when he went off into the bottle?
Thunderstrike/Eric Masterson was left handed (And as much as I love the character, please keep him dead) in some issues of War Machine Jim was shown as left handed.
Jim Rhodes is another example of 'power from someone else' whether it be the War Machine Armor, the Warwear, or currently. That said, he was kicking aft long before the black and silver long johns :-)
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Yeah how dare they?
I mean it's not like they retcon and fabricate relationships and stories in comics ALL THE TIME.
God forbid they portray a relationship between a black male and a black female in comics. I mean as far as I know they're the ONLY black couple IN Comics.
White couples, OK!
Mixed race couples, OK!
Mixed SPECIES couples, OK!
Black Couples? NO! BAD!
Sorry dude, but this yanks my chain.
In addition to what the others have already said, there's the fact that Storm got character derailed into the wedding. Seriously, one of the strongest superheroines in comics history is just going to leave her family, and that is what the X-Men are when they are written well, to shack up with some royal she has so little past with that they had to sloppily retcon it in? srsly?
And no, retconning relationships in is terrible writing. It was terrible when those other examples you listed earlier happened. It's terrible now. Believe me, I hated an assload of developments we got shoveled onto us during the 90's.
Black Panther himself got derailed as soon as Hudlin took over writing duties after Christopher Priest(God I miss Christopher Priest). Hell, Wakanda got derailed. Wakanda needed help for a long time, true, but Hudlin turned it into a Mary Suetopia, one that hordes the cure for cancer while people continue to die from it all over the globe. Hey, real heroic, T'Challa!
Oh, and then his wife apparently hops on the internets chewing out all of the fans that were unhappy with it, arguing, "People seem to think that a black woman can only be considered beautiful if she is with a white man."
wat
Because Forge is a white guy, you know. And for those that read between the lines(which is honestly pretty justified considering, well, Claremont), Yukio's a white guy too.
Oh, and then Hudlin got caught sock-puppetting when he was attacking his critics.
So yeah.... I have about as much respect for him as a writer as I do for Mark Millar. Or Joe Quesada and Dan DiDio.
As for black couples in comics, the big problem there is the lack of prominent black characters, not a lack of shacking up matching skin colors. White male characters still vastly outnumber everyone else in the two big superhero chains. It would be wonderful to see more even representation, but I would prefer it to be done with characters being written well and with some sense of respect for what has come before. That and no tired stereotypes, which are still alive and kicking under the pens of some writers.
Oh right, Marvel doesn't do continuity anymore. My bad!
(reads about recent Wolfsbane developments in this thread)
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(although claiming Danielle Moonstar as one's valkyrie is @#$%ing awesome)
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Bishop is, well was before the writers went crazy, awesome (and yes, black too). Here's the spotlight on him.
Bishop was awesome with a badge. Hell, I was onboard with the relationship they seemed to be building up between him and Storm. That could have been some good stuff.
But then the kinda-sorta rumors about Storm possibly being his ancestor and the whole becoming-your-own-grandpa thing kind of...you know.
But yeah, awesome character. I honestly liked him a HELL of a lot more than Cable back in the early 90's. Where Cable was(before good writers turned him into an interesting character) an amoral testosterone poisoned guns-guns-pouches 90's anit-hero constantly showing those X-guys how to get stuff done the EXTREEEEEEME way, Bishop was a moral testosterone poisoned guns-guns-pouches hero that practically worshipped the X-Men and still had some conflicts on how to get stuff done in the modern day and age. He was just a more interesting character overall to me.
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Forge is a white guy...Wait... whut?
I was under the impression that Forge was Native American. Am I wrong about this?
Nah, that was just me being bitter and sarcastic about Ms. Hudlin's remark. He's Native American.
Yukio is a Japanese woman, as well.
(misses 80's punk Storm)
(misses 80's punk Storm in Asgardian armor even more)
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Thanks.
But in a way no thanks because I've spent the last 20 minutes thinking about that terrible "Adversary" character and the exile of the X-Men to Australia, where we shifted from the Mutant Massacre and fun stuff like the Hellfire Club to absolutely interest-killing pablum like Gateway and Jubilee.
Ugh.
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Thanks.
But in a way no thanks because I've spent the last 20 minutes thinking about that terrible "Adversary" character and the exile of the X-Men to Australia, where we shifted from the Mutant Massacre and fun stuff like the Hellfire Club to absolutely interest-killing pablum like Gateway and Jubilee.
Ugh.
You'll notice that Storm had lost the mohawk by that point. RELATED?
I actually liked Jubilee and Gateway, but...not as they first appeared. I think it was Generation X where they hit their stride for me.
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Powerless 80s punk Storm is my preferred Storm flavor.
That issue where she kicked Psych's ass in the Danger Room for leadership of the X-Men was classic.
I am also enjoying fond memories of Kullen Gath.
HELL. YES.
ON ALL THREE POINTS.
Seriously, D&D fans that also like X-Men, you have to read the Kulan Gath issues. And the Asgardian Wars stories. That's optional, but the Kulan Gath issues are a must. NEW YORK CITY TRANSFORMED INTO A HYBOREAN ERA PORT TOWN!
Now get out of my head Mr. Erik Mona!
They can have Storm and Cyclops get married, then they can have Cyclops kill her.
That's optional, but the Kulan Gath issues are a must. NEW YORK CITY TRANSFORMED INTO A HYBOREAN ERA PORT TOWN!
Heh. I used that story as a backdrop for a Marvel U game set in vaguely early-80s continuity once. The lone PC was out of town that weekend, but his friend wasn't and Monday morning he got a frantic call: "Did you turn into something?!"
They can have Storm and Cyclops get married, then they can have Cyclops kill her.
So, when are they going to reveal that Emma Frost, murdering sociopath that she is, is just psychically jerking Summers around like a puppet?
And yes, there is a BIG difference between the kind of killing she's done vs. what Wolverine has done. Actually, there is a lot of Wolverine crap out there I haven't read, so I can't be 100% certain on that, but it's different than the kind of killing he usually does.|
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Actually, what I've read, I like Emma's face turn. Then again, I like that people seem to be realizing (well, Hank seems to be realizing) that Scott's crossed some lines, and Utopia truly means 'nowhere.'
Not to mention the logistics of Utopia. How are you feeding people? Is there enough room? Maybe they're sending X-force into grocery stores to kill people and take their produce. *rolls eyes*
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But yeah, awesome character. I honestly liked him a HELL of a lot more than Cable back in the early 90's. Where Cable was(before good writers turned him into an interesting character) an amoral testosterone poisoned guns-guns-pouches 90's anit-hero constantly showing those X-guys how to get stuff done the EXTREEEEEEME way, Bishop was a moral testosterone poisoned guns-guns-pouches hero that practically worshipped the X-Men and still had some conflicts on how to get stuff done in the modern day and age. He was just a more interesting character overall to me.
Have you read X-Factor recently? PAD's been doing Time Travel PAD style, including a young heroic Trevor Fitzroy who becomes the annoying villian in the 90's. I'd love to see him take a young Bishop or a divergent Bishop that's not ax crazy.
(Best Bishop moment, when he was in the danger room and being held hostage by holo-apocalypse. He threatened to shoot himself to remove the hostage. Of course no one caught he was going to shoot himself with an energy weapon...)