A lot of gamers have problems filtering themselves and interpreting social cues. Please direct all extreme awkwardness to this thread and keep the rest of it out of my way. It pisses me off when I read it. If you think I'm talking about you, you're probably right. Don't leave this thread.
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A lot of gamers have problems filtering themselves and interpreting social cues. Please direct all extreme awkwardness to this thread and keep the rest of it out of my way. It pisses me off when I read it. If you think I'm talking about you, you're probably right. Don't leave this thread.
Since I am clueless, I am assuming he is not speaking of me :-)
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It's interesting from a psychological perspective that yes more gamers tend to lack social understanding that is a hallmark of asbergers syndrome, but I really wonder how many of them actually have asbergers compared to those who just lack the subtle social experiences that would help you recognize these queues.
A lot of gamers have problems filtering themselves and interpreting social cues. Please direct all extreme awkwardness to this thread and keep the rest of it out of my way. It pisses me off when I read it. If you think I'm talking about you, you're probably right. Don't leave this thread.
Did anything in particular inspire you to create this thread, or is this the culmination of general frustration with some posters on the boards?
A lot of gamers have problems filtering themselves and interpreting social cues. Please direct all extreme awkwardness to this thread and keep the rest of it out of my way. It pisses me off when I read it. If you think I'm talking about you, you're probably right. Don't leave this thread.
Did anything in particular inspire you to create this thread, or is this the culmination of general frustration with some posters on the boards?
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A lot of gamers have problems filtering themselves and interpreting social cues. Please direct all extreme awkwardness to this thread and keep the rest of it out of my way. It pisses me off when I read it. If you think I'm talking about you, you're probably right. Don't leave this thread.Did anything in particular inspire you to create this thread, or is this the culmination of general frustration with some posters on the boards?
Ignore lawful instructions from strangers; embrace CHAOS! {opens Gate for taig back to another thread}
{does the hokey-pokie into and out of thread}
It's interesting from a psychological perspective that yes more gamers tend to lack social understanding that is a hallmark of asbergers syndrome, but I really wonder how many of them actually have asbergers compared to those who just lack the subtle social experiences that would help you recognize these queues.
I range between not noticing at all, noticing and not particularly caring, and noticing and being rather annoyed that someone is wasting my time with such unimportant information. Which makes me a jerk, an elitist, or oblivious. It varies from time to time.
I'm ok with all of those.
Did anything in particular inspire you to create this thread, or is this the culmination of general frustration with some posters on the boards?
I will admit, I have DR 10/Asperger's. I find that few things get under my skin more than social awkwardness, and it was less a comment on this particular board than a comment on the types of people who frequent our hobby. And maybe I'm one of them too. I certainly seem to enjoy the game as much as the next guy. Maybe I don't realize my own social awkwardness. Maybe it's that which has made me especially susceptible to Asperger's Gamers over the last couple of months. I don't want to mention specifics, and not all of them are things on this board or even in the same circles, but I think I earned enough annoyance points earlier today to level me up to make this post.
Note that I use Asperger's more for the general behavior mentioned and less for the disease from which I get the name. I know several people in meatspace with the disease and they are pleasant, if somewhat awkward people. Obviously, if someone has Asperger's Syndrome, they can't really be blamed and I'm an a~&!+*& for being an a&$@@~& about it. But I don't think that the number of gamers that annoy me could all suffer from the disease. So I made this somewhat socially awkward post as something of an ironic venting. Whether the irony was evident is an indicator of my own Asperger's Gamer level.
But I don't think that the number of gamers that annoy me could all suffer from the disease. So I made this somewhat socially awkward post as something of an ironic venting. Whether the irony was evident is an indicator of my own Asperger's Gamer level.
I think a lot of it is also the communications medium, especially board posting. I think also, it is a reinforcement thing. The RPG hobby appeals to folks who are intellegent, yet not socially savvy. There are few quarterbacks and cheerleaders in this hobby. By being a collection of intellegent socially-awkward people, it becomes an echo chamber, where the habits and mannerisms of these people become the 'norm' for any gatherings.
I have been lucky in that in my adult gaming years I have mostly played 'meatspace' games with military folks, who tend to be more repectful. I have noticed in the few times I have gone to a brick-and-mortar gaming store (there aren't any local to me) that the staff is consistently rude, whether intentional or unintentional. It is sad how often the pompous smugness parodied by 'Comic Book Guy' in The Simpsons hits close to home.
The problem with getting a group of intellegent, sensitive, socially awkward people together is that they are bound to rub each other the wrong way. They are predisposed to say hurtful things, assume they are right, and take offense at the slightest perceived criticism. Add in the anonymous format of forum posting, and it's a powderkeg. We can look at the arguments over 3E/4E, the Beta playtesting forums and many of the political/religious threads to see just how prickly the posters can get.
I made this somewhat socially awkward post as something of an ironic venting. Whether the irony was evident is an indicator of my own Asperger's Gamer level.
I was on the fence as to whether this was real or ironic. Patrick mentioned this--it is hard to discern intent when you are just looking at a collection of phrases and sentences on a forum. I am guilty of missing out on cues, though. I can be pretty sarcastic at times, but I can be completely oblivious when others are. Anyway, I kinda figured that there was a situation or multiple situations that drove you to start this thread, so I was concerned.
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Note that I use Asperger's more for the general behavior mentioned and less for the disease from which I get the name. I know several people in meatspace with the disease and they are pleasant, if somewhat awkward people. Obviously, if someone has Asperger's Syndrome, they can't really be blamed and I'm an a**@&@@ for being an a**@&@@ about it. But I don't think that the number of gamers that annoy me could all suffer from the disease. So I made this somewhat socially awkward post as something of an ironic venting. Whether the irony was evident is an indicator of my own Asperger's Gamer level.
Well the diference with the syndrome is a lack of assossiation. Basically someone with asbergers will just not get the clues no matter how many times they are presented hence the syndrome. Someone who just is socially deficient (one would hope) would pick up on the queues eventually if presented to them enough.
This thread is borderline.
If posters are posting something that violates messageboard guidelines or bugs you, flag it and move on.
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I just dropped by, since I thought this was a support group.
My son is Aspergers/Autistic (probably more toward the latter), and it's been a great relief to find others at work and in the local gaming community who have a relative with the same condition.
It doesn't make the condition go away, but it's so much easier to be able to vent, to someone who doesn't need you to go through all the preliminary explanations.
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I just dropped by, since I thought this was a support group.
My son is Aspergers/Autistic (probably more toward the latter), and it's been a great relief to find others at work and in the local gaming community who have a relative with the same condition.
It doesn't make the condition go away, but it's so much easier to be able to vent, to someone who doesn't need you to go through all the preliminary explanations.
Ok one last post. Snorter I understand your troubles, I work in the psychological field I have worked with autistic children and I empathize with your struggle. And I hope nothing said in this thread will be blatantly offensive to you.
And now I leave the thread for good.
I just dropped by, since I thought this was a support group.
My son is Aspergers/Autistic (probably more toward the latter), and it's been a great relief to find others at work and in the local gaming community who have a relative with the same condition.
It doesn't make the condition go away, but it's so much easier to be able to vent, to someone who doesn't need you to go through all the preliminary explanations.
I'll second the above comment that I hope nothing here is offensive to you, snorter, and that wasn't the intention of the thread. I guess I would have been on less shaky ground had I not associated awkward gamers with a real disease that affects many real people.
While the original intention of the post was the vent about my frustrations with some gamers, both here and in meatspace because I have had a lot of sensitive buttons pushed by quite a few people recently due to what I interpret as people simply not having a filter, I do think there is a real dialogue that can and should take place about the connections between stereotypical "gamer" social behavior patterns and psychological issues that may either attract certain people to this community or which may be synthesized within gamer culture in general. I guess I just went about it the wrong way and again I apologize if anyone was offended.
I just dropped by, since I thought this was a support group.
My son is Aspergers/Autistic (probably more toward the latter), and it's been a great relief to find others at work and in the local gaming community who have a relative with the same condition.
It doesn't make the condition go away...
I'm just going to keep quiet here, since you clearly aren't in a mood to argue...
I've noticed, as a person with Asperger's, that gamers have become a lot less tolerant of socially awkward people in the last few years.
I've noticed, as a person with Asperger's, that gamers have become a lot less tolerant of socially awkward people in the last few years.
I think that there's probably a lot more stress in people's lives now than there was a few years ago what with the bad economy and all. Stressed out people tend to be less tolerant.
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Over the weekend my wife had put down a small strip of wooden train-track for my son to play with. When I saw it, I immediately had to get down and make it into a closed loop because that was the way it was supposed to be! I've always been socially awkward and rather OC about some things.
While I was telling my wife about why I'd just done that and we were laughing about my nature, my 2.5 yr-old son started tugging on my sleeve and saying 'Under!' - he was obviously anxious about something.
It turned out to be that I'd not made the track loop back under the bridge - and that was the way is was supposed to be!
I wonder whose genes he got that from...
I think that there's probably a lot more stress in people's lives now than there was a few years ago...
I blame Fourth Edition.
It turned out to be that I'd not made the track loop back under the bridge - and that was the way is was supposed to be!
I blame this on Fourth Edition too. :P
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It turned out to be that I'd not made the track loop back under the bridge - and that was the way is was supposed to be!I blame this on Fourth Edition too. :P
*chuckle*
Oddly, I'm a lot less picky about my gaming rules than I am about just about anything else. I put this down to being a 'crayon your own dice' era gamer - having to fall back to written rules seems like failure to me as a DM.
From what I've read of the core books. 4th ed seems like an ok miniature skirmish game to me, if a little 'no child left behind'. ;)
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I bounce between extremes with my tolerance levels. Some days I know how I can be, so I am rather forgiving. Other days, not so much.
I know I can be rather OCD and I spent most of high school somewhat socially awkward. But, simple social awkwardness isn't enough to make me frustrated. It really requires a combination of factors to set me off. Of course, I used to work with children so I can be patient if the situation is right.
And as a parent of a child with Asperger's this thread offends me.
sorry deleted it
didn't realize people would get mad I don't have great social skills Non-verbal learning disorder, not asbergers though.
didn't realize people would get mad I don't have great social skills Non-verbal learning disorder, not asbergers though.
Same, Sorry, and Thanks
your welcome