20 years-max-before some asshat actually does it.
My guess is that it already has been done.
DUDE! Think of all the mezcal I could drink if I had a new liver. SWEET!
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Yes, emphatically to #2; yes, with detailed and strict restrictions to #1. I'd be happy with cloning guidelines and regulations enforced by law and validated by government agency support.Are you talking about cloning a human being, or a new liver?
Yes, organs and tissue for repair and research; not whole people.
So...we're not supposed to post here if we emphatically oppose #1?
My guess is that it already has been done.
Good day to you, Mr. Sharoth; I'll put you to the question. Names, names, names; time-and-place, time-and-place.
No fuss, now! Please, come along, now. That's it; quietly is best.
Take it easy with that ol' dragon...he's been reading the alien thread a lot lately.
I'm not in the mood to debate, just to emphatically oppose (#1, that is).
I'm not in the mood to debate, just to emphatically oppose (#1, that is).
You have no particular reasons, you just oppose it fanatically? Give us a hint, at least!
Emphatically, not fanatically...well, maybe that too, unless by fanatically you mean "have no particular reasons." Butlerian jihad anyone?
OK, hint: Dr. Victor...
Some of my best friends are clones.
Andrew Turner, you sir know your yellow dingos.
Do you think that they would clone a Jessica Alba for me, if so yes to #1.
We're going to keep the laws against slavery in this cloning distopia, are we not?
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We're going to keep the laws against slavery in this cloning distopia, are we not?
Watchamean? I was considering drawing the line at sideshows like "Beat a George W. Clone to death and get a Jessica Alba Sex Clone for free!" on account of folks own their own DNA...but of course if proposition 2 bounces - it looks like slavery is back in for the highest bidder.
We're going to keep the laws against slavery in this cloning distopia, are we not?
So I don't get to have my own Jessica Alba....bummer.
What if they grow brain dead bodies an then do a brain transplant I could be 20 years old for as long as my grey matter will last.
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We're going to keep the laws against slavery in this cloning distopia, are we not?So I don't get to have my own Jessica Alba....bummer.
What if they grow brain dead bodies an then do a brain transplant I could be 20 years old for as long as my grey matter will last.
So, you want to look like a 20 year old Jessica Alba????
Yes on both. Human cloning is only going to produce identical twins with larger age differences. What's the fuss?
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Natural cloning or no cloning!! this is the only Cloning I support
[/snark] Actually it would be kind of cool to be young again. just not young and 12 of me.
Whenever this topic comes up, I have to wonder... if you have sex with your clone is this masturbation or homosexuality?
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Whenever this topic comes up, I have to wonder... if you have sex with your clone is this masturbation or homosexuality?
Get out of my head! All my friends backed away slowly years ago when I asked them that question. Granted I also posed the question of whether or not it should count as incest. But it's the same dilemma, really. To what extent, at least biologically speaking, is one having sex with oneself and to what extent is one having sex with another person?
Legally, of course, unless maybe we find out that clones of like lineage all share a single hivemind they count as separate people. So while you might be masturbating in the sense that you're having sex with yourself, you're also having sex with someone else.
This ambiguity actually exists in real life right now when identical twins marry identical twins, which is the sort of thing that used to be on the talk shows my mother was watching when I came home from grade school. (Also the only place I've ever seen strippers. Mostly male strippers too. Thanks, Mom. I owe you one.) Legally the offspring are cousins, but genetically they're siblings. If the offspring were also all identical twins, which I don't think was the case, that would be extra wild.
So, you want to look like a 20 year old Jessica Alba????We're going to keep the laws against slavery in this cloning distopia, are we not?So I don't get to have my own Jessica Alba....bummer.
What if they grow brain dead bodies an then do a brain transplant I could be 20 years old for as long as my grey matter will last.
I didn't quite word that right did I.
But hey I would give it a go...
I wouldn't leave the house for a week or two I think I would have to become a lesbian though....
Ok time for a cold shower...
/Threadjack
Hey Yellowdingo - YOU are the fan, dude!!!
I saw your leather bound beta journal this morning, and admit that while I consider myself a Pathfinder fan, you have schooled me! You are the best. Nice job.
/threadjack
Please illuminate and enlighten Pax are there images of this wondrous tome.
While cloning organs certainly has reasonable application, the cloning of whole people (without the ability to memory download) doesn't. How many frozen embryoes are not used every year, if you want a new person grab one of those. Cloning people seems like trying to toss a wrench in the whole evolution system, as if we have reached some pinnacle of evolution. We haven't, I'm still waiting to be turned into a ball of energy or Q (except with less show-tuneage) or something. What has human science given us when we decide we know what traits are perferable? Little dogs that rich women can carry around in their purses. Is that the kind of thinking we really want for the human species?
Huh...cloning could allow you to leather-bind your Pf volumes in the skin of your enemy with less consequences...hmm...
Lets create new humans. Lets duplicate the lost.
To the first: There are already too many of us on the planet. Why would you want more?
To the second: This idea is wrong on so many levels, I can't even begin to cover it all here. It would need it's own thread. Suffice it to say that just because a human is genetically identical to another, it does not mean that they are the same person. So-called identical twins, for example, are genetically identical, but not the same person.
Shadowborn, I plan on dealing with both of yellowdingo's scourges in one bold stroke: I'm bioengineering a super-powered version of swine flu that targets clones. And maybe George Lucas. Feel free to pitch me your support.
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Hey as long as clones are recognized as soulless vessels and therefor not garunteed the rights and privleges of real people I'm all for having a clone slave of myself that actually goes to work for me, oh and a clone slave that does all chores around the house. Oh and a clone slave spare so that if I ever get angry I can just take out my anger on a clone and not worry about it's subsequent death.
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OK, I'm all for cloning. "Banning" it won't stop it anyway, it'll only drive it underground so we get all of the bad effects and miss out on the good.
One of the things I think we could do very soon with existing technology is an idea I've been talking about for years since I was in High School - the "living organ bank". What I mean by that is this: When you are born, some of your DNA and stem cells are taken and inserted into some other mammal, say a pig. The idea here is to make a pig that has a human liver, which I've read can be done. But not just any human, YOU. These organs would have YOUR DNA, and would in all ways be essentially a carbon copy of your organs.
This way, when you need a transplant, there's no need to worry about getting on a waiting list. There's no need to worry about finding a semi-compatible match. There's no need to worry about the guilt of waiting for some other putz to die so you can harvest their guts. You just kill the pig and take the organ(s) you need. There won't be a rejection by your system, because it's YOU. Then, when you wake up, you can have a nice ham and bacon breakfast.
Who could POSSIBLY be against that?
Now, back on the actual cloning thing. As I said, you can't stop it anyway, so why fight it? There are all kinds of great things that can be done with cloning, and similar/related fields. In my mind it's the perfect way for humanity to make up for the way we've taken natural selection out of our evolutionary processes. It will jump start and maybe even accelerate our evolution into a better species. We can selectively breed out the weaknesses and focus the strengths of various genetic lines. We could have a race of hyper intelligent, super strong, super fast, super tough people.
And yeah, all you "clone Jessica Alba" guys have a great point, too. As long as you are willing to make me a Catherine Zeta-Jones or a Rachel Weisz, have at it. (Good thing my wife never gets on here!)
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OK, I'm all for cloning. "Banning" it won't stop it anyway, it'll only drive it underground so we get all of the bad effects and miss out on the good.
One of the things I think we could do very soon with existing technology is an idea I've been talking about for years since I was in High School - the "living organ bank". What I mean by that is this: When you are born, some of your DNA and stem cells are taken and inserted into some other mammal, say a pig. The idea here is to make a pig that has a human liver, which I've read can be done. But not just any human, YOU. These organs would have YOUR DNA, and would in all ways be essentially a carbon copy of your organs.
This way, when you need a transplant, there's no need to worry about getting on a waiting list. There's no need to worry about finding a semi-compatible match. There's no need to worry about the guilt of waiting for some other putz to die so you can harvest their guts. You just kill the pig and take the organ(s) you need. There won't be a rejection by your system, because it's YOU. Then, when you wake up, you can have a nice ham and bacon breakfast.
Who could POSSIBLY be against that?
Now, back on the actual cloning thing. As I said, you can't stop it anyway, so why fight it? There are all kinds of great things that can be done with cloning, and similar/related fields. In my mind it's the perfect way for humanity to make up for the way we've taken natural selection out of our evolutionary processes. It will jump start and maybe even accelerate our evolution into a better species. We can selectively breed out the weaknesses and focus the strengths of various genetic lines. We could have a race of hyper intelligent, super strong, super fast, super tough people.
And yeah, all you "clone Jessica Alba" guys have a great point, too. As long as you are willing to make me a Catherine Zeta-Jones or a Rachel Weisz, have at it. (Good thing my wife never gets on here!)
I've read a few bad Sci-fi stories with this plot.
Shadowborn, I plan on dealing with both of yellowdingo's scourges in one bold stroke: I'm bioengineering a super-powered version of swine flu that targets clones. And maybe George Lucas. Feel free to pitch me your support.
You add Spielberg to the mix and I'm all in.