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Saw this last night! It's good having friends with connections. My wife told me that we were going to a Sneak Preview last night and I assumed that it was Wolverine. I was wrong.
They were really cracking down on cell phones; paranoia is high!
This movie is incredible; and I say that as a Trekkie (or is that Trekker?) of old!
The first 10 minutes of the film set the tone and are intense and moving.
The rest of the film follows suit. Zachary Quinto IS Spock. He looks it; he acts it. Karl Urban IS Bones McCoy; his portrayal of the iconic character is perfect. I got chills during his opening sequence, it was like Deforest Kelley was back from the grave. Chris Pine has the swagger, but of the big three, his Kirk diverges the furthest from the original. Still, he did an excellent job.
Simon Pegg does a great Scotty, though he doesn't appear until much later in the film. Sulu is also played well. Chekov has the voice down to a T. Uhura is played a little differently, but it is a natural progression from her origin.
Eric Bana plays the heavy well. Then again, he is a great actor.
I won't say any more, lest I give away too much. However, I will say that the wife and I are considering a 4-hour drive to see this again in IMAX. And it is a shoo-in for the DVD collection!
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This is a great time to be alive. The highlight of this news is the following:
DIRECTOR: J.J.ABRAMS
It might also be nice to see Winona Ryder on screen again. ... got one word for ya: "eskimo"..........
Life Sucks! We'll miss our little eskimo.
As for me, I look forward to seeing something amazing first. I will forget everything I know about Star Trek and just enjoy the film. I do no see the success or failure of this film as anything more than an earnest attempt by Hollywood to create a Big Budget Sci-Fi Thriller for Summer '09. I will not let my trekker loyalty or sensibilities be threatened by something that is supposed to be entertaining.
If this film is a good film on its own merits, than I believe it has earned its place in Star Trek Lore.
Hey Zuxius - help me understand your "life sucks" and "miss eskimo" comments?!? Seems like that and your trekker loyalty seem non sequiturs....?
On my end JJ Abrams has a great reputation for LOST, a show I truly enjoy. And, since I believe he's done well with basically demonstrating working with "timelines" on the series, I think he's competent to handle a "prequel" type movie. I also agree with you that its basically the summer blockbuster this year! And I won't let my 1980s Trekker convention history cloud my judgment of what is otherwise going to just be a good sci fi film. I think it might also be a good time to introduce my kids to Star Trek. Does anyone know what it is rated?
Finally, Winona Ryder - - - yeah, that brings back some good memories (notwithstanding her thievery issues, drugs, or aging).
Have a day, Zuxius!!!
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There are some active discussions going on elsewhere about this upcoming Star Trek prequel. I wondered what my fellow paizo-messageboarders had to say about it.
Link: Star Trek (at IMDb)
Have any thoughts? Concerns? Observations?
CantwaitcantwaitcantwaitSQUEEEEEE!
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Important question.
Will this new Star Trek still have redshirts?
You have, I assume, seen the bit of the trailers where they are skydiving onto a big laser drill thing? Three people do that drop: Sulu, Kirk and a security officer. The security officer is wearing a red spacesuit. Three guesses as to what happens to him...
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It might also be nice to see Winona Ryder on screen again. ... got one word for ya: "eskimo"..........
Life Sucks! We'll miss our little eskimo.
Hey Zuxius - help me understand your "life sucks" and "miss eskimo" comments?!? Seems like that and your trekker loyalty seem non sequiturs....?
Sorry Pax!
I was responding to your eskimo "lead-in". As in, Winona Ryder in "Heathers". A very excellent movie. Suicide, don't do it!
Anyway Pax, been awhile since I heard from you. I am going to PaizoCon in June!
Also, Star Trek is more of a concept than a place that I want to track down dates and details.
"But how can their be Romulans??? In the Original Series Star Trek Episode Balance of Terror, they explicitely state that no one had ever seen a Romulan....so therefore this movie is..."
I am just not able to do the Rain Man "Raymond" thing. "I want to go with Charlie back to Walbrook!"
Nah, I will buy the popcorn. Have it half eaten 15 minutes into the show, and relax.
Beam me out for a few hours, please!
Seeya Pax!
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I believe from what I have seen from the trailers that the drilling rig thingy is a world destroyer ray thing-a-ma-bob. I am guessing the first planet that this thing is used on is a colony. After that I believe the objective is earth. Purely speculating. I would not doubt that the drop scene is the climactic conclusion for the hand to hand fight over earth. They do show a ray hitting Star Fleet Academy. Again, this is what I got from watching the trailers.
I hope this movie is not all action; Star Trek is knows for its story lines; this better not suck.
Did you say it is gonna be in IMAX also; that would rock.
I hope this movie is not all action; Star Trek is knows for its story lines; this better not suck.
Did you say it is gonna be in IMAX also; that would rock.
It had better not be all action. Star Fleet doesn't have enough Security Personnel for a strictly action film!
I hope this movie is not all action; Star Trek is knows for its story lines; this better not suck.
They are calling this movie a *re-boot* of Star Trek. We'll have to wait for the OS to load... 3 more days!
We're taking the whole staff to this on Friday. I imagine we will have lots to say.
I saw this here in Australia last monday night. (gotta love friends who can get you in to these things). I loved every minute of it and I second everything that dmchunky69 said about the actors.
I'll finish by saying Intense action, lots of bits I laughed out loud at, Simon Pegg was excellant and get ready for a reboot.
We're taking the whole staff to this on Friday. I imagine we will have lots to say.I wish I worked for you guys. Gaming all the time and company movie night. It's the best job in the world.
Actually, as someone who used to work for a Computer Gaming company (SOE - in Game QA none the less), you would be surprised how little time you actually spend "Gaming."
It is a job, like any other, which means that it is a lot of "drudge" work - filling out reports, performing analysis, editing, attending meetings, etc. (But, unlike most other jobs, there is a lot of really cool stuff. :) )
Fire
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The problem is that the Star Trek fanbase is pretty badly fragmented.
- You have the fans of "The Original Series," that don't like what Rick Berman did with the franchise,
- You have fans of "Deep Space 9" and "Voyager" that don't like "The Original Series"
- ... etc.
So "Star Trek" fans not liking the movie isn't as big of a deal as it sounds. :) (It's really bad publicity for the film though.)
The trailers have looked interesting. Definitely not skimping on special effects. But in an interview, Abrams mentioned that story took precedence over "canon". Which has me a little worried about taking too many liberties with the timeline. Too many deviations, even if "better" than the standard history, will interrupt immersion into the story. Hope it does well.As pres man says, it's an alternate timeline. The canon history is, in fact, being actively changed as part of the story's plot - which I suppose is in some ways a nod to the canon itself. I think the intention, however, is to set up a new franchise that can launch from a fresh start, which means some table-clearing needs to be done.
Never a good sign. They are bringing in fans with the name Star Trek, fans will expect to find their Star Trek. Not some re-imaged one. Oh well D&D went that way too with 4e and it lost fans for it. X-Men movies did it as well, and the last one stunk up the joint. Wolverine I have yet to see and wont for a long time because of the stink from the last one. If this Trek does the same, well I guess I wont see the next one of them either.
Never a good sign. They are bringing in fans with the name Star Trek, fans will expect to find their Star Trek. Not some re-imaged one. Oh well D&D went that way too with 4e and it lost fans for it. X-Men movies did it as well, and the last one stunk up the joint. Wolverine I have yet to see and wont for a long time because of the stink from the last one. If this Trek does the same, well I guess I wont see the next one of them either.The trailers have looked interesting. Definitely not skimping on special effects. But in an interview, Abrams mentioned that story took precedence over "canon". Which has me a little worried about taking too many liberties with the timeline. Too many deviations, even if "better" than the standard history, will interrupt immersion into the story. Hope it does well.As pres man says, it's an alternate timeline. The canon history is, in fact, being actively changed as part of the story's plot - which I suppose is in some ways a nod to the canon itself. I think the intention, however, is to set up a new franchise that can launch from a fresh start, which means some table-clearing needs to be done.
Reimagine Star Trek:
Spock is an emo-kid.Kirk doesn't like girls.
Sulu doesn't listen to show-tunes.
Scotty couldn't change a fuse.
Uhura never answers the phone.
Due to uncanny luck, nothing bad ever happens to Chekov.
And Bones has had so many different occupations during his life that he can do anything, "I may be a Doctor, Jim, but I am also a brick layer."
Trekkies bash new Star Trek film
OMG!!! THAT IS JUST AWECOME!!!
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I'll be interested to hear what people thought, I'm still on the fence if I want to go to the theater.
If your mum said that out of all the Startrek films she enjoyed Startrek: Insurrection the most, she is unlikely to enjoy the new Startrek Film. I'd have to agree. The story ammounts to two encounters with Nero set twenty years apart separated by Kirk's childhood spent pissing everyone off.
I think it is ironic that Young Spock (traumatized and angry over the black hole that ate Vulcan and his mommy) maroons Kirk on the Same Planet where the angry and traumatized Nero maroons the old Spock. Fundamentally they were more alike in their grief than anything and a logical mind would have seen it. Frankly I would have saved Nero from Death despite the anger I harboured toward him.
Then we have the whole 'alien wipes off the formula the genius has been working on for years' moment when Scotty is introduced.
I saw it tonight too and thought it was great. The only thing that bugged me was that Chris Pine's Kirk was a bit too Zap Brannigan. Otherwise we had great acting and a wonderful villain.
Canon Nazis are going to hate the film. There were more changes than were needed for this single film but I think many of those changes are the ground work for future films. From what I hear Abrams is meticulous in his planning and I suspect this is the case.
Overall I'd roll it an 18 out of a 20.
I just got back from it and it's was friggin' amazing, and I've been a Star Trek fan pretty much my entire life (I'm not kidding either- I remember watching Star Trek: The Motion Picture the theater when I was three years old!)
Canon Nazis are going to hate the film. There were more changes than were needed for this single film but I think many of those changes are the ground work for future films. From what I hear Abrams is meticulous in his planning and I suspect this is the case.
Overall I'd roll it an 18 out of a 20.
I've got quibbles with the movie, but not many. The movie does take its pains to explain why it's non-canonical in a lot of ways. And that satisfies me.
Some stuff.Dingo, are you totally incapable of using spoilers?
I watched it last night and they did a marvelous job I think. There were many changes, but none of them irked me. I think they did very well. Personally Spock made this movie. Kirk did a very good job filling some big shoes himself. The rest of the crew did excellently. I really liked all of them. You can tell they worked very hard and loved what they were doing, it really shows.
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Saw it. It was ok. Here's my problems:
Red matter.
Vulcan ship
Ship speeds
Black holes
Self-Referentialism
Visually, the movie was very compelling. The acting was mostly very good. The continuity problems were expected going into the movie, although the main conceit of the reason for the change in continuity was very Star Trek in "logic."
Saw it last night on a regular screen. My mistake. I should have paid full price to see it at the IMAX in 3D at Navy Pier (in Chicago)!
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I believe I can answer three of your complaints...
Vulcan ship
Ship speeds
Black hole
I have also watched it and am trying to get the novellisation, hopefully I'll be able to pick the comic prequel.
Red matter.
I believe he had that amount because they didn't know how much they actually needed, personally though I was wondering why he didn't have a means of safely neutralising it if it fell into the wrong hands...
Vulcan ship
Actually if I've heard correctly the mining vessel was closer to where that star was blowing up and Spock's ship was trying to reach the disaster area as fast as possible so it was more a case that Nero was angry Spock arrived too late for Romulus and wasn't actually chasing Spock's ship initially
Ship speeds
Agreed with the earlier post but upon rereading I feel a further question should be added namely that Nero's ship fell out of time earlier than Spock's so how did Nero figure out where and when Spock's ship returned since that allowed him to capture the ship before Spock could do anything
Black holes
I suspect it doesn't help when the black hole forms inside of your ship and apologies if that was a little strong I thought blowing up the ship rather than getting out of range was a rather daft thing to do though... thank god for scotty even if that poses its own problems
Self-Referentialism
My problem is that when they showed "First Contact" it made it look like Picard's Enterprise was the only reason Cochrane didn't just draw his shotgun and kill the Vulcan first contact team from the dark parallel, this movie however I had no problems with since I'd like them to explore the possibilities this poses well that and hopefully Scotty can find Admiral Archer's beagle!
Saw it, and as a fan of the older stuff I have to say, in and of itself I liked it as a reimagining, if not an "ultimate universe" Star Trek for a new generation. Everyone had their little moment of specialty lines dropped (Scotty, McCoy I'm looking at you) Kirk slept with a green chick (although some of his rediculous womanizing was over the top, such as when he was "sick") But overall it used plain old fashioned cliche' to make it work and in Star Trek's history they show a well documented love of the cliche'. So good overall.
Of all the people who saw the movie, how many of you laughed when the red shirt (Red Suit) died?
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What I thought..
Loved the Movie..
I had no problem with the messing up with the timeline like that, But I had 1 issue with it.. I wish they explained how in this new timeline, starfleet knew that Romulans where related to the Vulcans, since in the regular Timeline They did not know that for a few more years yet.
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I want to see it last night with the hard core fans and took my family today. My wife cried. I got goosebumps. It held up extremely well for a second viewing. I thought it was equal parts pastiche and new ground -- just right for me. I give it a 10 out of 10.
Howsomeever --
Why, in the name of humanity...?
Chief Creative Officer, Publisher
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As a lifelong fan of Star Trek I think they did as good a job as anyone could have expected.
Scratch that.
I think they did a FAR, FAR BETTER job than anyone could have expected. I thought the movie was wonderful. The continuity differences make sense for the most part within the framework of the reality-warping storyline, and I love the way the movie bridged "our" Star Trek continuity with this new continuity with the character beats and visuals of the original series.
I remember leaving the Watchmen movie thinking: "Wow, everyone pretty much looked exactly like they were supposed to. Too bad at least two of them couldn't act."
I left Star Trek thinking "Wow, everyone pretty much looked exactly like they were supposed to, AND ALL OF THEM COULD ACT!"
As has been stated before, the performances of Zack Quinto and Karl Urban are spot on. They essentially ARE Spock and Bones McCoy. Chris Pine isn't quite channelling Shatner's performance in the same way, but he does a kick ass job and captures the essence of Kirk's character perfectly. The Chekov guy has the voice down pat. I love it when he says "Wessels" and stuff like that.*
As they say on the Internets: ZOMG.
I want to set my TiVo to season pass this new version of Star Trek. However long it takes them to make a new movie is too long.
Excellent, excellent movie.
* Because I am a huge nerd for Star Trek.
Just got home from seeing the movie with my wife. Thoughts (w/o spoilers):
Casting - A
Amazing job of getting actors who channel the original cast. Can't imagine a better cast.
Plot - B
Although this was designed to 'clear the deck' so a non-Trekkie can join the universe w/o feeling Lost (deliberate pun), the plot is very traditional Trek and might be a little too 'please the old fans'.
Script - A
Clever and consistent with past characterizations
FX - A
Top notch. Not your usual Trek, but more in the vein of Battlestar Galactica (new version). However, things are clear so you can understand what's going on in space battles, and the NCC-1701 gets some good glory shots
Overall, A-
BTW, there is nothing to see at the end of the credits, if you were wondering...
So...Just saw it. Kirk's Daddy was an Aussie, All the Romulan Villains spoke with Aussie Accents, Fine...that is the way you want it? I can take a hint. I hearin declare dominion over the Earth...you can all get used to swilling Pauls Iced Coffee and wearing thongs on you feet.
You can't declare Dominion--that's DS9.