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I don't know who exactly is responsible for the following Map of Golarion. It was last updated in September 2008. (Hope it's still getting updates, but that's beside the point.) This map would be PURRFECT for a direct link / thumbnail / spot on Paizo's home page.
What better way to get people engaged in exploring Golarion (and having easily accessible maps for game play)?
So, what about it??
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Technically, this is a second request, but I'd love a globe depiction of Golarion. It need not be complete off the get go, but it sure would be cool to see how the mapped area accounts for the entirety of the world. (Remember 2nd Editions Forgotten Realms Atlas? Something like that.)
Yeah, we'd love to know who's responsible for that map as well.
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Yeah, we'd love to know who's responsible for that map as well.
Is this a "someone's in trouble" we'd love to know, or a "someone could have a future at this" we'd love to know?
Not that I know who made it but I have been perusing that map and I love it. There was a link on one of the threads and I made the link a favorite....
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Yeah, we'd love to know who's responsible for that map as well.Is this a "someone's in trouble" we'd love to know, or a "someone could have a future at this" we'd love to know?
Not that I know who made it but I have been perusing that map and I love it. There was a link on one of the threads and I made the link a favorite....
Or is it a "someone's in trouble if we can't figure out a decent block of legalese text to add on to ensure protection of our IP while still allowing fans to do stuff supporting our setting, and if so maybe will have a future doing this"?
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Or is it a "someone's in trouble if we can't figure out a decent block of legalese text to add on to ensure protection of our IP while still allowing fans to do stuff supporting our setting, and if so maybe will have a future doing this"?Yeah, we'd love to know who's responsible for that map as well.Is this a "someone's in trouble" we'd love to know, or a "someone could have a future at this" we'd love to know?
Not that I know who made it but I have been perusing that map and I love it. There was a link on one of the threads and I made the link a favorite....
I think the answer is obvious here. Other posters have asked about posting Paizo artwork on their sites and have been told not to or to hold off until the website policy was created.
I do not know who is responsible but I sure love the map. I don't own the campaign setting as of yet, so I have been looking for something like this. Awesome work!
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Yeah, we'd love to know who's responsible for that map as well.
Perhaps this thread might shed some light on the subject?
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Technically, this is a second request, but I'd love a globe depiction of Golarion. It need not be complete off the get go, but it sure would be cool to see how the mapped area accounts for the entirety of the world. (Remember 2nd Editions Forgotten Realms Atlas? Something like that.)
The FRIA was in fact the inspiration for it.
Some of the other maps I presume to be from the modules, but those from the second Adventure Path seem to be absent as of the time of my posting of this.
See the About page. New maps don't go up until 2 months after a product is released (or AP ends.) Just haven't had a chance to do CotCT yet. :)
Charles, you're of course assuming Paizo isn't going to b@34! slap me for making the atlas. :P
I would take the initiative and email them if I were you :)
Paizo has to take steps to protect their IP. Well intentioned fan-sites could lead them to losing the IP on certain aspects of the pathfinder setting, opening up opportunities for less scrupulous publishers to create Golarion based products.
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I think the answer is obvious here. Other posters have asked about posting Paizo artwork on their sites and have been told not to or to hold off until the website policy was created.
Sigh.
Our community use policy will allow a lot of things, but republishing our maps is not one of those things. This is an especially sticky situation because we're in discussion with a potential licensee about creating an official product that includes similar features, so I'm afraid we have to ask for this to come down.
Sigh.Our community use policy will allow a lot of things, but republishing our maps is not one of those things. This is an especially sticky situation because we're in discussion with a potential licensee about creating an official product that includes similar features, so I'm afraid we have to ask for this to come down.
Cheer up Urza!
As B-slaps go, that was pretty mild. :D
Seriously, I was glad I got a peek before it was gone. You can't keep it, but that doesn't mean it wasn't cool.
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I think the answer is obvious here. Other posters have asked about posting Paizo artwork on their sites and have been told not to or to hold off until the website policy was created.Sigh.
Have no fear, I started that long before the whole "guidelines" discussion started. :)
Our community use policy will allow a lot of things, but republishing our maps is not one of those things. This is an especially sticky situation because we're in discussion with a potential licensee about creating an official product that includes similar features, so I'm afraid we have to ask for this to come down.
Even if you guys turned the other cheek, I knew that if when you ever did do an official atlas, book or electronic, it'd have to go. I just didn't think so soon. :)
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As B-slaps go, that was pretty mild. :D
Indeed.
Seriously, I was glad I got a peek before it was gone. You can't keep it, but that doesn't mean it wasn't cool.
Me too. I'm thinking about continuing to update it for myself until the official one comes out (and hopefully it will see more updates then the Forgotten Realms!)
Who knows, maybe I'll compile it into a CHM. :)
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Let's just hope that Paizo moves fast now that they are having fan-friendly third party sites taken down.
By the way, Sir Uzra, beautiful work. I cannot imagine the time and energy you put into this, but it certainly shows.
I'm sorry for having brought attention to it here. I was hoping for the best and got the worst.
That said, Hey Paizo, how about agreeing to Sir Uzra's as a special permit until your third party license is worked out? I'd hate to see such great support for your campaign setting be erased with nothing to step in to its place.
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Gentlemen, on both sides, thank you for clarifying both Paizo's position and the status of the work.
Uzra, thank you for your effort and your enthusiasm, as brief as its moment in the spotlight was. It did tell me that I have lots of maps I've not lovingly looked over yet. Thank you for not ranting about 'information wants to be free' or some claptrap.
Josh, Vic, (and by proxy, Lisa) Thank you for being polite and understanding of the enthusiasm outstripping the property concerns, and politely asking him to take it down.
*Group hug!*
Nooooo!
I just found it yesterday!
While I think Paizo has been fair in their handling this, I hope you all note that the execution of that atlas was excellent.
It was the perfect tool for me with one exception: it needs a spoiler lock that the GM can protect the maps from players.
I just visited this website after having been recommenced to go there by a number of my friends.
Lo and behold I see a message that Da' Boys at Paizo made 'em take it down.
I thought that Paizo was encouraging gaming and was moving away from WotC "Big Brother" control at all costs syndrome? An effort I hasten to add which is as futile as an attempt to control the WWW itself.
Aren't Paizo trying to encourage interest in their world, if so why are they clamping down on those who make a concerted and highly effective effort to promote it?
Now if the maps were inaccurate or it was a breach of copyright (?) then I might understand this "police action" but it seems (from my brief perusal of the message boards at any rate)that Paizo has yet to give any rejoiner for this "cease and desist order". If there is just cause, then let them justify there actions to the gaming community who supports them, instead of hanging behind this veil of secrecy...
A response will also serve to provided guidelines for those who wish to peruse a similar course of action in the future.
Perhaps someone in authority would care to shed light on this issue.
My regrets to all, I failed to see the answer given above by Vic Wertz.
My apologies if I came across as heavy handed and judge mental of Paizo. It's my firm belief however that initiative and hard effort should always be encourage in any endevour.
1. No one was sent a cease and desist. We asked those responsible to take it down.
2. The artwork in question contains both copyrighted and trademarked material owned wholly by Paizo and posting it without permission violates both.
3. We're working on a community use policy that will allow our community to do some things--reposting the entirety of our maps online is not one of them.
4. The argument that "you can't stop piracy, so you might as well not try" should be retyped as "you shouldn't try to protect your trademarks so, by law, your trademarks are no longer yours." We're not playing big brother folks, we're protecting our trademarks. No, I'm not saying the map was piracy.
5. Most companies wouldn't take the time to respond--they'd unleash their lawyers on the offender. We have not.
I think paizo handled this well. And the creator was cool with it. I dont sence hard feelings on either side here.
Kudos on all sides for how this was handled. I look forward to the licensed product.
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The message on there was very polite.
He basically said:
He was asked to take it down, no hard feelings
Paizo and Urza were both cool about it, in fact it was only a few minutes after Paizo regretably asked for it to be taken down that it was taken down. The next morning the message was there.
Paizo rocks, The community rocks, I rock...oh wait...I mean Pathfinder Rocks.
You've gotta love a company that will talk it out before heading to court.
Paizo is setting a good example for the entire RPG industry.
Well said toyrobots
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You've gotta love a company that will talk it out before heading to court.
Paizo is setting a good example for the entire RPG industry.
That and lawyers don't come cheap!
On a more serious note, I'd like to know how quickly and how seriously Paizo is pushing for a similar (if not 'better') map here.
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On a more serious note, I'd like to know how quickly and how seriously Paizo is pushing for a similar (if not 'better') map here.We're talking to a developer about such a project currently. It would be inappropriate to be more specific at this time, though.
Like
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Interactive Atlas of Golarion made with CC3
perhaps
Now thats a Digital Game aid I would consider killing for
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I just visited this website after having been recommenced to go there by a number of my friends.
Lo and behold I see a message that Da' Boys at Paizo made 'em take it down.
Paizo asked (in this thread) and I took it down. That simple. I don't need a cease and desist order, I'm not going to fight them, I knew going in that there were one of two possibilities...
1) They'd tell me to stop and I'd miss it and eventually get a nasty note from their lawyer.
2) They'd tell me to stop and I'd see it and stop.
There was indeed the two dream possibilities...
1) They turn a blind eye to it.
2) They'd let me keep working on it with permission or as part of Paizo.com. :)
But like I said, dream possibilities. Anyway, please don't start a fuss over it, I'm not that heart broken over it.
And if we want to be in Wonderland some more... since they know it exists, if something goes wrong with their talks and they still want some kind of digital atlas, they know who's done some work on such already. I'm sure Gary could figure out something for people to purchase from the Paizo store that'd give their account access to the atlas if it were to move onto Paizo.Com. :)
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Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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Look, Sebastian, an old lady with a cup of coffee and no warning label. If you're quick you can bump into her arm, make her spill it in her lap, and then help her sue the company.
That's ridiculous! Do you know how many rules of ethics I would have to violate to do that?
Now, my hired hobo friend, that's a different story. He can bump into her arm and I'm blameless. Unless I do something really stupid and publicly post that I hired the hobo for that reason. Thank god these spoiler tags render my confession completely invisible and undetectable...
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As B-slaps go, that was pretty mild. :D
I remember when I misused Paizo's IP. They asked me to stop and then took me out for ice cream. It was awesome.
I had chocolate sprinkles on mine!
Pssst. Those weren't sprinkles. They were tranquilizing drugs that helped with the introduction of hypnotic suggestions. Now, whenever you hear the word 'Golarion,' you reach for your wallet. They did the same thing with me.
Pssst. Those weren't sprinkles. They were tranquilizing drugs that helped with the introduction of hypnotic suggestions. Now, whenever you hear the word 'Golarion,' you reach for your wallet. They did the same thing with me.
As B-slaps go, that was pretty mild. :D
I remember when I misused Paizo's IP. They asked me to stop and then took me out for ice cream. It was awesome.
I had chocolate sprinkles on mine!
What's that? Golarion? Where's my wallet at...
I just visited this website after having been recommenced to go there by a number of my friends.
Lo and behold I see a message that Da' Boys at Paizo made 'em take it down.Paizo asked (in this thread) and I took it down. That simple. I don't need a cease and desist order, I'm not going to fight them, I knew going in that there were one of two possibilities...
1) They'd tell me to stop and I'd miss it and eventually get a nasty note from their lawyer.
2) They'd tell me to stop and I'd see it and stop.
There was indeed the two dream possibilities...
1) They turn a blind eye to it.
2) They'd let me keep working on it with permission or as part of Paizo.com. :)
But like I said, dream possibilities. Anyway, please don't start a fuss over it, I'm not that heart broken over it.
And if we want to be in Wonderland some more... since they know it exists, if something goes wrong with their talks and they still want some kind of digital atlas, they know who's done some work on such already. I'm sure Gary could figure out something for people to purchase from the Paizo store that'd give their account access to the atlas if it were to move onto Paizo.Com. :)
MAN, THAT SUCKS! I loved this map. As someone who doesn't own the campaign setting book yet ( I do plan on getting it), This is the map I used to get familiar with the world of Golarion.
Good job on that map btw.
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http://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderChronicles/GolarionMap.jpg
That should help you for the time being.