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first of all, sorry to my poor english. cuz i'm korean
Anyway, who is girl that sorcerer on Pathfinder RPG's main cover illust? I wanna see her sheet.
woooh... i'm falling in love when i first saw her(lol). she damn hot. she better than Mialee(rofl)
I believe you're referring to Seoni (the blond with tattoos).
She does have a bit of a fan club. :p
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first of all, sorry to my poor english. cuz i'm korean
Anyway, who is girl that sorcerer on Pathfinder RPG's main cover illust? I wanna see her sheet.
woooh... i'm falling in love when i first saw her(lol). she damn hot. she better than Mialee(rofl)
An-nyeong-ha-sae-yo.
Pan-gap-sum-ni-da. Na-nun, Tarren Dei imnida.Gu yoja Seoni imnida.
Gwaja deusaeyo?
*hand EnsoulogiC a cookie*
*snatches a cookie for himself*
Umm... three times YAY for Seoni???
first of all, sorry to my poor english. cuz i'm korean
Anyway, who is girl that sorcerer on Pathfinder RPG's main cover illust? I wanna see her sheet.
woooh... i'm falling in love when i first saw her(lol). she damn hot. she better than Mialee(rofl)
The following spoiler contains a (hopefully) correct version of what you wrote, if you're interested (I don't want to be a clever Dick - I just we non-native English speakers should stick together)
Anyway, who is that sorceress on Pathfinder RPG's cover? I want to see her character sheet.
Woooh... I'm fell in love when I first saw her (LOL). She's damn hot. She's better than Mialee (ROFL)
I hope I didn't make too many mistakes myself.
Anyway, that chick's Seoni, a Varisian sorceress and iconic sorcerer character. You can find her stats in Pathfinders #1-6, though those are 3.5e D&D stats rather than Pathfinder Beta stats. As she's one of the pregenerated characters for the first Adventure Path, she appears in every part of that Path, on a character level that's appropriate for the current adventure. She starts with level 1 and in #1 and goes up to level 14 in #6 (though she would be even higher at the end of #6)
Her essentials:
Seoni, LN female Varisian human sorcerer 14
Str 8, Dex 16, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 13, Cha 24 (Though this includes items, a cloak of Charisma +6 amongst others)
... - I just we non-native English speakers should stick together...
Oh, yeah and we must make sure that PRPG is distributed around here :D
Her essentials:Seoni, LN female Varisian human sorcerer 14
Str 8, Dex 16, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 13, Cha 24 (Though this includes items, a cloak of Charisma +6 amongst others)
Hmm... I just wonder for which part of her is the cloak responsible ;)
Technically speaking, "female sorcerer" is more correct than "sorceress". The first accurately describes sex and class and the other is a rather nebulous definition about someone's probable career.
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Technically speaking, "female sorcerer" is more correct than "sorceress". The first accurately describes sex and class and the other is a rather nebulous definition about someone's probable career.
I guess I don't get the reference. Is there another meaning of "sorceress" other than "female sorcerer?" What is this "nebulous definition about someone's probable career" that you refer to? A sorcerer's career is sorcery. A sorceress' career is also sorcery.
Welcome to the "Seoni Fan website". I believe there are some other stuff in here besides Seoni...
And welcome to "my english sucks" club too. Mi inglich suks to!
Sorcerer is a (gender-neutral) class; sorceress is a (female) career. It might be considered acceptable in speech to mutate the class names by gender, but it's bad practice in writing, as it might be confusing. After all, you don't call a female monk (class) a nun, now do you?
After all, you don't call a female monk (class) a nun, now do you?Weeeeell... arguably it would be correct.
Only if female monks in places like Tibet are called nuns, just like the Catholic variety. That still wouldn't change the class name though, whether it's gender-neutral or not :)
Sorcerer is a (gender-neutral) class; sorceress is a (female) career. It might be considered acceptable in speech to mutate the class names by gender, but it's bad practice in writing, as it might be confusing. After all, you don't call a female monk (class) a nun, now do you?Sorcerer is a masculine noun, not a neuter noun. Referring to a female Sorcerer in rules text or a stat block as a Sorceress is incorrect according to the d20 style guide. Refering to her as a sorceress in relation to the world, her place in it, in fiction (and character backgrounds are fiction), or when discussing anything other then her game stats is proper.
True. But it is considered "sexist language" and is archaic in any case.
So, in most cases, it would be considered poor writing at this point (or at any point past the early 1980s).
And in reponse to the original poster, you can find Seoni's D&D statistics, at various stages in her career, in Pathfinder #1 through #6. (Rise Of The Runelords AP)
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I am very conscientious when it comes to firefighters, police officers, letter carriers, and using 'spouses' instead of 'wives' when referring to the partners' of doctors and professors.
In this case, however, I would like to hear from female persons with innate magical ability and use the term they most pefer.
I am very conscientious when it comes to firefighters, police officers, letter carriers, and using 'spouses' instead of 'wives' when referring to the partners' of doctors and professors.
In this case, however, I would like to hear from female persons with innate magical ability and use the term they most pefer.
I might be satified with hearing from female persons who play individuals with innate magical ability on what term they would most prefer.
True. But it is considered "sexist language" and is archaic in any case.
So, in most cases, it would be considered poor writing at this point (or at any point past the early 1980s).
Which is about as stupid as person first language, and just like it, gender-neutral language has the opposite effect that its adherents claim.
And as for poor writing, not one of the four general style manuals on my shelf (late 90s through last year) mention it beyond: Pick one and use it consistently.
What nation are you living in? I know that standards are different in Britain, Australia, Canada, the United States, etc.
I am in the U.S., so that is what I have encounted both in Academa and in my personal efforts at getting things published. :)
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True. But it is considered "sexist language" and is archaic in any case.
Sex-limited terms are not definitionally negative or derogatory, although they can certainly be used that way. I can't ever be a Matriarch, or a Princess, or a Queen (not this far north of Provincetown, anyway), and yet I feel not at all excluded or shut out or looked down upon by the great sorority of womanhood.
Not every word in the universe needs to apply to me, after all. I'm not *that* self-centered. Other people can have their own special pronouns. I'm not jealous.
Nor, frankly, would I want every single word to apply equally to every single thing, 'cause then we wouldn't have a language, we'd have the one word, which we'll call 'Bob,' which would apply to everyone and everything. "Bob, Bob, bob bobbed bob bob-bob?" Oh, but that might be sexist. We'll have to change every single word to Roberta, I guess, so that nobody must suffer the grievous outrage of being referred to as something other than Roberta. People with accents, who pronounce Roberta differently, will be rounded up and shot, lest they traumatize any of the 6 billion Robertas on the planet Roberta, by implying that they are in any way special or unique or different from the other 5.999 billion Robertas.
Sorceress is no more archaic than Sorcerer, and has no more negative connotations than the male version. Griffon, dragon, knight and wizard are pretty darn archaic, for that matter.
Now the use of the word 'warlock' to describe a boy witch bugs me. Boy witches are just witches. Warlocks are something else entirely.
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Only if female monks in places like Tibet are called nuns, just like the Catholic variety. That still wouldn't change the class name though, whether it's gender-neutral or not :)After all, you don't call a female monk (class) a nun, now do you?Weeeeell... arguably it would be correct.
They are, in fact, called nuns. They rarely learn cool kung-fu, though.
Now the use of the word 'warlock' to describe a boy witch bugs me. Boy witches are just witches. Warlocks are something else entirely.
Yes, "Warlock" means "Oath Breaker," with is why practicioners of Wicca find it so offensive.
However, in some branches of witchcraft "Warlock" does still mean male witch (Mostly in Scotland). So, it can get complicated.
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Now the use of the word 'warlock' to describe a boy witch bugs me. Boy witches are just witches. Warlocks are something else entirely.Yes, "Warlock" means "Oath Breaker," with is why practicioners of Wicca find it so offensive.
However, in some branches of witchcraft "Warlock" does still mean male witch (Mostly in Scotland). So, it can get complicated.
Then again, Wicca redefined the word "witch" as a title for their clergy. Historically, however, "witch" was never used by the clergy of any of the pagan traditions. "Witch never carried a strictly positive connotation, typically it carried a more neutral-negative connotation and was applied to one who existed outside of the accepted social or natural order much in the same way fey and goblins.
Then again, Wicca redefined the word "witch" as a title for their clergy. Historically, however, "witch" was never used by the clergy of any of the pagan traditions. "Witch never carried a strictly positive connotation, typically it carried a more neutral-negative connotation and was applied to one who existed outside of the accepted social or natural order much in the same way fey and goblins.
Going back even further though, the term wasn't always negative. It simply referred to one who practiced magic. Depending on the views of their community the witch could receive either respect, suspicion, or outright hostility.
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I might be satified with hearing from female persons who play individuals with innate magical ability on what term they would most prefer.I am very conscientious when it comes to firefighters, police officers, letter carriers, and using 'spouses' instead of 'wives' when referring to the partners' of doctors and professors.
In this case, however, I would like to hear from female persons with innate magical ability and use the term they most pefer.
Well, do avoid generalizing, I'd like to hear from Seoni herself.
Well, do avoid generalizing, I'd like to hear from Seoni herself.I might be satified with hearing from female persons who play individuals with innate magical ability on what term they would most prefer.I am very conscientious when it comes to firefighters, police officers, letter carriers, and using 'spouses' instead of 'wives' when referring to the partners' of doctors and professors.
In this case, however, I would like to hear from female persons with innate magical ability and use the term they most pefer.
Actually, which Paizo writer/staffer actually created Seoni? :D
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Then again, Wicca redefined the word "witch" as a title for their clergy. Historically, however, "witch" was never used by the clergy of any of the pagan traditions. "Witch never carried a strictly positive connotation, typically it carried a more neutral-negative connotation and was applied to one who existed outside of the accepted social or natural order much in the same way fey and goblins.Going back even further though, the term wasn't always negative. It simply referred to one who practiced magic. Depending on the views of their community the witch could receive either respect, suspicion, or outright hostility.
No, not always negative (hence my neutral-negative comment). Dangerous? Usually. Scary? Generally. Someone to trifle with? Oh, hell no. Someone to consult in times of need? With great caution.
The fact is that the class name is still the class, no matter what race, gender or otherwise your character happens to be. I wouldn't say "Merisiel is a 1st-level sorceress"; instead, I would either say "Merisiel is a Sorcerer 1" or "Merisiel is a 1st-level Sorcerer", depending on how "game-speaky" I was feeling.
I'm just waiting for Lilith to show up and link her fanservice Seoni art....
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The fact is that the class name is still the class, no matter what race, gender or otherwise your character happens to be. I wouldn't say "Merisiel is a 1st-level sorceress"; instead, I would either say "Merisiel is a Sorcerer 1" or "Merisiel is a 1st-level Sorcerer", depending on how "game-speaky" I was feeling.
Actually, we'd probably say "Merisiel is a Rogue 1" or "Merisiel is a 1st-level Rogue." :P
The fact is that the class name is still the class, no matter what race, gender or otherwise your character happens to be. I wouldn't say "Merisiel is a 1st-level sorceress"; instead, I would either say "Merisiel is a Sorcerer 1" or "Merisiel is a 1st-level Sorcerer", depending on how "game-speaky" I was feeling.
I agree with you here. We don't say roguess, wizardess, fighteress, etc., mainly because they are silly. Sorcerer has a meaning in the game, sorcereress technically does not. It's ok to refer to a female sorcerer as a "sorceress" if you're not talking about game rules.
Correct: Seoni became known as the "Sorceress in Red" by the people of Almas after she single-handedly killed a zillion invading hobgoblins.
Incorrect: As a sorceress, Seoni does not have to prepare spells.
Likewise "mage" isn't a specific game term (you wouldn't say Seoni or Ezren is a 5th-level mage) but it is an informal term to mean "arcane spellcaster." And I often use the word "sorcery" to indicate "magic done by sorcerers" and "wizardry" to indicate "magic done by wizards," but again, that's informal on my part.
In Gods And Magic I talk about the priests of each church and what character classes may become priests; in that context, a priest might be a cleric, druid, paladin, or even a non-spellcaster. But I'd never say "Kyra is a 5th-level priest of Sarenrae" because while that looks like it's telling you her character class, it really isn't.
So Seoni's profession may be "sorceress," but her character class is sorcerer.
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Nor, frankly, would I want every single word to apply equally to every single thing, 'cause then we wouldn't have a language, we'd have the one word, which we'll call 'Bob,' which would apply to everyone and everything. "Bob, Bob, bob bobbed bob bob-bob?" Oh, but that might be sexist. We'll have to change every single word to Roberta, I guess, so that nobody must suffer the grievous outrage of being referred to as something other than Roberta. People with accents, who pronounce Roberta differently, will be rounded up and shot, lest they traumatize any of the 6 billion Robertas on the planet Roberta, by implying that they are in any way special or unique or different from the other 5.999 billion Robertas.
MARKLAR!
The fact is that the class name is still the class, no matter what race, gender or otherwise your character happens to be. I wouldn't say "Merisiel is a 1st-level sorceress"; instead, I would either say "Merisiel is a Sorcerer 1" or "Merisiel is a 1st-level Sorcerer", depending on how "game-speaky" I was feeling.Actually, we'd probably say "Merisiel is a Rogue 1" or "Merisiel is a 1st-level Rogue." :P
Yes, well, I was just plucking a name out of the ether. I'm not up on any of the PF product identity :)
Oh, and Sean, I'm glad you agree with me because I'm basing it off the rant you posted on your website years ago :) I'm a great fan of developers posting independent thoughts!
RAWR THINKING RAWR!!
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The fact is that the class name is still the class, no matter what race, gender or otherwise your character happens to be. I wouldn't say "Merisiel is a 1st-level sorceress"; instead, I would either say "Merisiel is a Sorcerer 1" or "Merisiel is a 1st-level Sorcerer", depending on how "game-speaky" I was feeling.Actually, we'd probably say "Merisiel is a Rogue 1" or "Merisiel is a 1st-level Rogue." :P
thanks... i was about to get medieval on him... ¬¬
i am more a Merisiel fan, than Seony any day of the week...
Using Beta Pathfinder, what would Seoni's Sorcererous Bloodline be?
i am more a Merisiel fan, than Seony any day of the week...
Yep, Merisiel all the way. I think she should be on the cover, not that other hack....
That's one hot dude!
Oh no, another doomed Seoni supporter.
Well, just add two more... me and my friend who looked at the Beta some days ago and was not able to turn the page anymore (and well, I totally agreed !...).
At DragonCon recently, a couple very attractive friends of mine (they're sisters actually) were discussing costume ideas with me. Being as one of them is blond and was already stopping traffic in a rather daring bellydancer outfit, I pulled up Seoni's pic on my my PDA (*sigh* I have the rulebooks on there dammit!) and suggested, "What about dressing up as the Paizo babe?" (They are both very familiar with Paizo, D&D, GenCon, etc.)
Well, she thinks it's a great idea — her only misgiving being the time needed to create such a highly DDetailed costume.
So Paizo... given any thoughts to developing products for the cosplay market? :)
