So, after hearing all about the horrible Forgotten Realms CG that came out two days ago, me and some other posters over at WotC have been picking the thing apart, and listing all the mistakes (like one on every page). The thing reads like a half-baked, unfinished piece of crap, and the Map looks like vomit.
And I made that opinion known.
So now I go to log on over there, and I get a message saying I've been banned.
You want to know the funny part? The message included a link that would allow me to see the reason I was banned, but when I click on it, it tells me I can't view the page because I've been banned!
Too funny :D
I suppose they finally decided to get rid of all the 4e-detractors from their site... I guess it was about time.
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I don't know what you said, but I can readily see why some others have been banned. Maybe it's the use of words like crap and vomit, coupled with a decidedly aggressive tone--I don't know, really, because I don't visit the Wizards site very often.
Not necessarily directed at you, but generally speaking, if you want your opinions to be heard, then don't couch them with distasteful language, derogation of the writers and artists, malicious hyperbole, and rhetoric that inherently can't be answered. Construct your arguments, and if there's a problem or an issue, don't simply lambast, but offer a reasonable solution.
Okay, the book is a peace of useless defecation and the map looks like regurgitated stomach fluids.
Anyway, this isn't about WotC's inability to produce quality products, its about their unfairness towrds me!
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
;)
Maybe it's the use of words like crap and vomit...
Did someone say "vomit"?
Splooorrrtch!
A great way to thank them is to not spend any more money on WotC products.
If a girl is giving you the cold shoulder are you going to keep paying her monthly cell phone bill for her, so she can talk to other guys??
If a girl is giving you the cold shoulder are you going to keep paying her monthly cell phone bill for her, so she can talk to other guys??
That sounds like a letter I read in Penthouse Forum once.
A great way to thank them is to not spend any more money on WotC products.
If a girl is giving you the cold shoulder are you going to keep paying her monthly cell phone bill for her, so she can talk to other guys??That sounds like a letter I read in Penthouse Forum once.
Don't let other people treat you like that.
You may just have low self-esteem, BUT you can cure that!
I haven't bought a WotC product in a couple of years, unless you count the novels, and the old-edition pdfs I purchase hear at Paizo.
Well... they won't have ME to kick around anymore.
At least... until my banning wears off. :P
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My copy just shipped (FRCS), so I haven't seen it yet.
Are there a lot of typos? Inconsistencies? My biggest complaint with WotC's fluff in the past couple years has been with storyline inconsistencies; p. 17 says Bane did this, but p. 92 says he did this--which one is it?! That kind of thing. I can get over typos.
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My copy just shipped (FRCS), so I haven't seen it yet.
Are there a lot of typos? Inconsistencies? My biggest complaint with WotC's fluff in the past couple years has been with storyline inconsistencies; p. 17 says Bane did this, but p. 92 says he did this--which one is it?! That kind of thing. I can get over typos.
Actually Andy, Bane did both at the same time and the herd of sheep behind Elminster's Tower...
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And MarcusTay erected an alternate Forgotton Realms 4E cover...then criticised ED Greenwood. I probably would have been a little more tactful like:
"The death of Gary Gygax must have cut the heart from Ed Greenwood's creativity at a critical time, yet that is no excuse for the shortfalls in the editing/quality control department, nor the decision to upsize the font to pad the size of a low content Product. Consequently Forgotton Realms 4E is going to disapoint the majority of Gamers looking for ideas to keep their game alive." -yellowdingo
You were really working hard to be banned. Quite simply you took it to the level of photo shopping the cover so that you could make deeply derogatory insults of specific individuals like Ed Greenwood. Of course they banned you.
I'm certain that if I photoshoped the Pathfinder Gazaeteer so that instead of it saying By Eric Mona and Jason Bulmahn is said "A *&%^$$^ who does not know his #**^^*% from a %$#%&$% and his %^%*#&*%$& sidekick." Then tried to use these forums to post links to my 'art' they'd ban me here too. They gave you what you were looking for.
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You were really working hard to be banned. Quite simply you took it to the level of photo shopping the cover so that you could make deeply derogatory insults of specific individuals like Ed Greenwood. Of course they banned you.
I'm certain that if I photoshoped the Pathfinder Gazaeteer so that instead of it saying By Eric Mona and Jason Bulmahn is said "A *&%^$$^ who does not know his #**^^*% from a %$#%&$% and his %^%*#&*%$& sidekick." Then tried to use these forums to post links to my 'art' they'd ban me here too. They gave you what you were looking for.
Pretty much agree with what was just said. You can't really go onto company websites and rag on them that hard and expect them to put up with it can ya?
I haven't bought a WotC product in a couple of years, unless you count the novels, and the old-edition pdfs I purchase hear at Paizo.
Well... they won't have ME to kick around anymore.
At least... until my banning wears off. :P
YOu havent bought a WOTC book for years, yet bought FRCG just to make fun of it?
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Hey Markus Tay. At first I was excited to hear a testimonial like yours, because I'm always trying to show evidence of wotc's poor customer treatment. But after seeing the "FAIL" graphic, even I can understand why they banned you.
Since you're very welcome here with us as PAIZO, may I invite you to comment on the 4eFRCS in my thread, Destruction of the Forgotton Realms? I'd love to hear from everyone who has perused the new book, either in the store or because you bought it. I truly want to know how it turned out, about the product, and what horrible things have happened to our beloved realms...
Hey Markus Tay. At first I was excited to hear a testimonial like yours, because I'm always trying to show evidence of wotc's poor customer treatment. But after seeing the "FAIL" graphic, even I can understand why they banned you.
I don't really think that this is the reason for the banning, after all the graphic remains. I think its the image deleted from Photo Bucket thats the real offender. From the messages on the thread it appears that image was photoshopped so that, as one of the posters put it...
Looking at my FRCG it has Ed Greenwood's name where you put "by a bunch of hacks".
First off, I just want to say I posted this thread more or less tongue-in-cheek.
My banning was only for 24 hours, and I just wanted to create a "The evil corporation beat me up and stole my tricycle" thread. :D
I never said I didn't deserve what they did, and in fact, have even pointed out on other sites that I can't figure out why I haven't been banned sooner.
And as far as that cover goes - I'm a PS wiz and I have done FAR WORSE things with their covers and posted them there, and they never bothered me. In fact, they (the people at WotC) know that I'm usually doing it for humorous reasons, sort of like a 'Celebrity Roast' sort of thing. Occassionally I have gone too far (maybe more then occassionally), and I usually just receive a stern warning, or a PM from one of the Designers saying "WTF?!", and I usually apologize when I know I've gone 'over-the-top'.
I also usually target a specific person for a few weeks, and I recenly changed my target, so that may have something to do with it (some people just don't have as good a sense of humor as others).
But I don't think even that finally did it - I think its because I accused them of being racist, and they managed to flip it on me. Until I get back on and see what they deleted, I can't be sure, but I think that was it.
On the other hand, a few people have told me they deleted ALL my posts, but I doubt that is true - they probably just deleted whatever I said in the last 48 hours.
Like I said, I was going for humor here as well, with the whole 'Evil Empire' thing - sorry if anyone thought I was upset for real.
AS for the FRCG - I didn't actually have it when I made my statements. Everything I was saying was based on stuff others were reporting. Laughingly enough, someone gave me an early BD present this morning, and it turned out to be the 4e FRCG!!!
And to be perfectlly honest, its not as bad as people are making out. Its not great (it does have a lot of contradictory information), but it isn't terrible either. If you are going to be playing with 4e rules, then I would reccomend it. If you are just a fan of the setting, then I would have a tough time doing so, since the setting is vastly different in this edition. My main problem is with the very ugly map, which is FULL of mistakes, but the book itself is okay, if less then steller.
You were probably banned for making repeated personal attacks against WotC's employees.
The times I reported you were for instances like that, at any rate.
Got to keep the forum free and clear of the crazy people!
:P
Once I realized that 4E wasn't for me, I made a conscious effort to stop hitting the WotC site. I've been coming here instead. :-)
Honestly, I don't see how there's anything to be gained from being bitter about it on a messageboard. It's a game. I don't like what they've done with it. Oh well, thank Paizo for Pathfinder, and I'm finding that Galorion is a compelling world that actually has me interested.
I am thinking about checking out the new FRCS though. I like the idea that the sarrukh got their act together and have their own nation again since I helped plant that seed a few years ago and now it's grown into.... well, I'll have to see.
Darrin:
Golarion, not Galorion.
:D
Oops. It's still early here.
Honestly, some people seem hellbent on taking 1 on their Wisdom checks…
<shakes head in disbelief>
You're lucky this isn't the WotC forumes...
Personal attacks are against the COC over there. ;)
Not that I'd report you, but Sanishiver certanly would - he seems to have appointed himself the Internet police.
Glad he hasn't found the last few sites I post on yet... Stalkers... Sheeeeesh.
Hvaen't you heard?
Gleemax was cancelled!!!
It Bombed. :D
And yes... it was affecting my sanity, which is why I never went over to that nauseating end of the site. The FR forums remained looking like 'old parchment', which I like (better then hospital white, which makes me feel like I'm in a sanitarium when I'm here).
Bought it at my FLGS.
It is stunningly poor execution.
This is all quite disappointing to read. I was hoping that FR would be the singular item to salvage any hope for 4e, having been based on such a well developed setting. I was looking forward to the FRCG, if for no other reason than to continue my collection of FR stuff (every setting version, supplement and splat book since original release), but am now considering leaving it on the FLGS shelf... after I take one last hopeful look at it...
[Somewhere in the distance I hear the horns of Golarion calling...]
This is all quite disappointing to read...
I've already posted this a couple of times elsewhere: Amazon reviews of the FRCG are nearly 90% negative.
It continues to disappoint me, too. WotC has, IMO, people who love rules, and they're good at writing them. What I'd like them to also have are people who love roleplaying, and plots, and character development, and background settings -- I see none of that yet :/
There's a rumor out that they're going to do similar campaign books down the road for my beloved Greyhawk. They haven't done campaign products well yet, they haven't done FR well by virtually all accounts, and I see no reason to think things will change by the time they look at GH.
:(
Not that I'd report you, but Sanishiver certainly would - he seems to have appointed himself the Internet police.
What, me?
Naaaaaah..... :P
I was just surprised you announced your temporary banning on this and the candlekeep.com forums.
Of course you do have to work hard to earn a ban from WotC anymore (they are more lenient than they used to be, believe it or not) so I suppose some recognition for your efforts are in order.
Thus: Congratz!
I can't say it was my efforts alone that caused the ban. We were working as a team via PM and you just happened to be on my watch list.
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A great way to thank them is to not spend any more money on WotC products.
If a girl is giving you the cold shoulder are you going to keep paying her monthly cell phone bill for her, so she can talk to other guys??
Not quite, but one chick did expect me to drive her and her friend everywhere, and blatently refuse to discuss even going out with me. prolly wasn't smart to explain what she was doing to her friend, while in the car with me. managed to put an end to that by waking up her dad at 2AM saying that she called for a lift. HA! self-esteem pales to the power of an angry father!
You raise an interesting point, which I had overlooked, which is the question of is that lurid green colour (on Gleemax) actually sanity damaging/Wisdom draining? :D
The rumor that I heard a while back was that the original eye-damaging green and black color scheme for Gleemax was developed by marketing for branding purposes, and was never passed by any of the web people for determining how it would actually function as far as usability for forums and reading text.
*kicks MarkusTay while he's down*
And that! Wait a minute... You're not Logue... Dammit!*scurries off*
:p
(IMO, being banned from the Wizards forums isn't much of a loss. That place has been going down hill for a long time - too many asshats floating around for my tastes)
Ha! Just glad someone else is getting kicked for once. :-)
If you're not fanatically into 4e (and I do mean FANATICALLY) then there's very little to recomend to a casual gamer frequenting the WotC D&D boards any more.
Without exeption, as far as I could see on a recent browse through, any poster who isn't 100% glowing in praise of 4e is clubbed like a baby seal that just waddled up to some particularly ruthless hunters.
It amazes me there are enough bitter-ender holdouts still frequenting the place to keep the wars still raging over there.
Without exeption, as far as I could see on a recent browse through, any poster who isn't 100% glowing in praise of 4e is clubbed like a baby seal that just waddled up to some particularly ruthless hunters.
Boy, it happened to me :(
I'm dabbling again in RPGA, and a massive system change last week had me over there criticizing and complaining. I got jumped on like I was some sort of know-nothing retard.
Of course, without exception, every other board I've seen has been going into the epic-level poor design and technical problems the DCI/RPGA site is experiencing. WotC themselves have acknowledged the problems, but don't let someone like me say anything around their loyal fanboys!
As far as the OP goes, clearly he provoked the banning -- but being excluded from that community is no great dishonor.
I can't say it was my efforts alone that caused the ban. We were working as a team via PM and you just happened to be on my watch list.
O.o
I'm just a thread lurker, but this statement ... wow ... watch lists? Coordinated team efforts via PM? WTF is going on over at that forum? Not that I approve of promoting 4E hatred, as it is self-defeating, but ...really ... watchlists? Sanishiver, I really think you need to kick back, think about how far things are going if you are monitoring other posters and keeping 'watch lists'. Just looking out for your mental well-being buddy, nothing snarky. Take it easy, go for a walk or something. It's just a game after all :)
I can't say it was my efforts alone that caused the ban. We were working as a team via PM and you just happened to be on my watch list.
Your as bad as Markus Trey. That sounds positively fascist.
I assumed that was a joke -- someone please tell me it was!
That sounds positively fascist.
Ahem. I know that any internet discussion is bound to have a fascist or Nazi comparison sooner or later, but I´ll never tire to speak against this every time I come upon it. Please don´t use any such comparisons, no matter what. It is inappropriate.
Sorry if I sound like a weisenheimer, but I can´t stand these comparisons.
Stefan
That sounds positively fascist.Ahem. I know that any internet discussion is bound to have a fascist or Nazi comparison sooner or later, but I´ll never tire to speak against this every time I come upon it. Please don´t use any such comparisons, no matter what. It is inappropriate.
Sorry if I sound like a weisenheimer, but I can´t stand these comparisons.
Stefan
How about it sounds positively House Committee on Un-American Activities-like?
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O.o
I'm just a thread lurker, but this statement ... wow ... watch lists? Coordinated team efforts via PM? WTF is going on over at that forum?
When you consider some of the efforts made by people on the WotC boards to viciously attack people who make even minor critical comments, those who go out of their way to be overtly rude, and those who are just casually offensive, combined with WotC's bizarre reorganization that has the forum moderators only responding to direct complaints, it is not particularly outrageous that individual participants have to do things like that.
Add to it the attitude of the former Community Manager that repeat complaints from an individual indicate a personal vendetta that he would ignore, and the need to coordinate complaints becomes necessary to actually deal with some people.
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When you consider some of the efforts made by people on the WotC boards to viciously attack people who make even minor critical comments, those who go out of their way to be overtly rude, and those who are just casually offensive, combined with WotC's bizarre reorganization that has the forum moderators only responding to direct complaints, it is not particularly outrageous that individual participants have to do things like that.
Add to it the attitude of the former Community Manager that repeat complaints from an individual indicate a personal vendetta that he would ignore, and the need to coordinate complaints becomes necessary to actually deal with some people.
Well if there is a need to 'coordinate complaints', compile 'watch lists' of your enemies and this is SOP for that board I will thank my lucky stars that I never got involved with them. It sounds like virtual vigilanteism. I would like to play a game, not engage in some over-hyped nerdrage drama fest with virtual cliques mashing the complaint button when someone disagrees with them. My God, when did it all get so out of hand?
I'll repeat my advice one more time, despite it never being taken:
It's a game people! Plenty of other stuff to post long angry screeds on the Internet about, that's why we invented politics. Gaming is supposed to be fun. :)
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You were probably banned for making repeated personal attacks against WotC's employees.
The times I reported you were for instances like that, at any rate.
Got to keep the forum free and clear of the crazy people!
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Right. So he's banned, he's not there now.
But yet you're here.....Okay...
Can you see where that's kinda.....stalkeresque?
