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Jason, Erik, Mike, Lisa, et al.,
would it possible to have an entire "Races of Pathfinder" supplement which would include more 'fluff' about the races *and* dozens of new Racial Feats for each of them? Not to mention new magic items and spells. I know several DMs (myself included, naturally) who would more than willingly dish out the cash to get their hands on such a book.
Any chance for such a book as a supplement to PF RPG? :)
Creative Director
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Jason, Erik, Mike, Lisa, et al.,
would it possible to have an entire "Races of Pathfinder" supplement which would include more 'fluff' about the races *and* dozens of new Racial Feats for each of them? Not to mention new magic items and spells. I know several DMs (myself included, naturally) who would more than willingly dish out the cash to get their hands on such a book.
Any chance for such a book as a supplement to PF RPG? :)
There's absolutely a chance for a product like this! In fact, the 2nd Pathfinder Companion is all about Elves! We don't have a big book of ALL races on the schedule yet, though.
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There's absolutely a chance for a product like this! In fact, the 2nd Pathfinder Companion is all about Elves! We don't have a big book of ALL races on the schedule yet, though.
I am a big fan of smaller, more focused books, and if the Companion series is going to regularly feature 32 pages on a single specific race, then I'm going to have to subscribe.
Halflings! And soon! And may I suggest looking at the old D&D Gazetteer The Five Shires as a source for inspiration, rather then the insipid gypsy caravaners that WOTC turned them into?
Also, Scottish Dwarves. Please? Because nothing is more fun than a dwarf that talks like Groundskeeper Willie.
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There's absolutely a chance for a product like this! In fact, the 2nd Pathfinder Companion is all about Elves! We don't have a big book of ALL races on the schedule yet, though.Jason, Erik, Mike, Lisa, et al.,
would it possible to have an entire "Races of Pathfinder" supplement which would include more 'fluff' about the races *and* dozens of new Racial Feats for each of them? Not to mention new magic items and spells. I know several DMs (myself included, naturally) who would more than willingly dish out the cash to get their hands on such a book.
Any chance for such a book as a supplement to PF RPG? :)
Ooh, great to hear! Although it would be even more awesome if there was a "Big Book of Races" that featured dozens of new spells, magic items, racial feats, and racial 'fluff' for each of them. But I think we can settle on the Pathfinder Companion tomes containing this info -- as long as there will be one for humans, halflings, and dwarves, at least. :)
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There's absolutely a chance for a product like this! In fact, the 2nd Pathfinder Companion is all about Elves! We don't have a big book of ALL races on the schedule yet, though.I am a big fan of smaller, more focused books, and if the Companion series is going to regularly feature 32 pages on a single specific race, then I'm going to have to subscribe.
Halflings! And soon! And may I suggest looking at the old D&D Gazetteer The Five Shires as a source for inspiration, rather then the insipid gypsy caravaners that WOTC turned them into?
Also, Scottish Dwarves. Please? Because nothing is more fun than a dwarf that talks like Groundskeeper Willie.
Five Shires written by Ed Greenwood is, indeed, a great supplement. James, any chance of trying to "woo" Ed to write for Paizo? :)
The Five Shires like many of the old OD&D gazateers are classics
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Five Shires written by Ed Greenwood is, indeed, a great supplement. James, any chance of trying to "woo" Ed to write for Paizo? :)
-They already did, he is writing a region in the campaign setting hard cover. RA Salvatore is writing the forward of said book and they got Elaine Cunningham to write some stories too. I support a Races of Golarion book too. To me Golarion is the new Realms. Stupid Spellplague.
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To me Golarion is the new Realms. Stupid Spellplague.
I agree with this sentiment entirely. I mourn the loss of the Realms (realizing, of course, I could always just continue using that setting and making my own material from here on out), but celebrate the birth of Golarion. I expect I will, as more is developed, be as happy with Golarion as I was with the Realms.
Halflings! And soon! And may I suggest looking at the old D&D Gazetteer The Five Shires as a source for inspiration, rather then the insipid gypsy caravaners that WOTC turned them into?
Halfings in Golarion aren't gypsies (they have the Varisians for that, complete with their own tarot deck - the Harrow Deck. I have one and it's great. No joke!), but a sort of tag-along for the humans. From their earliest days, they lived in human cities and adopted human lifestyles, often serving as servants. But they also have another side: They're extremely curious (their curiousity is often stronger than their common sense), and always look for a get-rich-quick scheme. They're also a favoured slave race, since their small stature is more "economic" than humans'. In fact, a couple of nations employ halfling sailors almost exclusively!
Also, Scottish Dwarves. Please? Because nothing is more fun than a dwarf that talks like Groundskeeper Willie.
I'd prefer them talking dwarven :P
And here I was hoping for a book that detailed all sorts of competitive races, on foot, in water, and flying. It could detail the locations, frequency, typical competitors, and rules for betting. Any chance of a Pathfinder book like that too? :)
RACIST! ;-)
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Five Shires written by Ed Greenwood is, indeed, a great supplement. James, any chance of trying to "woo" Ed to write for Paizo? :)-They already did, he is writing a region in the campaign setting hard cover. RA Salvatore is writing the forward of said book and they got Elaine Cunningham to write some stories too. I support a Races of Golarion book too. To me Golarion is the new Realms. Stupid Spellplague.
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Wow, this is great news, indeed! It seems that Paizo is much more "business-savvy" than TSR or WoTC ever was, and in my opinion they're better "aware" of what the fans want. If they also get Eric Boyd, Steven Schend and George Krashos to work on Golarion/PF stuff, I see great opportunities for Paizo in the future.
I have to agree with you -- all that I've seen of Golarion so far reminds me of the "feel" and "spirit" of the Realms. Maybe all of the disappointed FR Grognards are going to switch to playing in Golarion? At least all of the gamers and FR fans I personally know apparently will. :)
The Five Shires like many of the old OD&D gazateers are classics
Looking to buy PDFs of the old Gazetters is what brought me to Paizo last year, now look at my tag! Really looking forward to the Setting (who's NOT working on that thing?).
Oh! and dwarf speak with a RUSSIAN accent, everybody knows that! ;)
Maybe all of the disappointed FR Grognards are going to switch to playing in Golarion?
I know I did.
It would be sweet to see a book for each of the different Races instead of one crammed with all of them. I would love to see the base races and personnally Lycanthropes!!!!
ditto. That would be fun
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The advantage of a single book on all of the races would be uniformity of design. (In theory.) Each chapter would, hopefully, follow a set format, so that each race would have pages devoted to special gear, feats, preferred class roles, etc. and no one race book would be inconsistent and lacking in a specific area (what do you mean Gnomes have no racial feats?!).
The possible downside is that the book might have so much crammed into it that each individual race feels shortchanged, or worse, stereotyped, as the Dwarves have a huge section on their craftsmen, and the Elves, despite also being skilled craftsmen, would focus instead on their ties to the nature world. Races of Eberron, IMO, is an example of a consolidated race-book that fell down on the job, taking four compelling races and not really doing much to make any one of them really shine.
The advantage of individual books on each race, would be that each individual race would get more development, and likely have more variability inside of each race, rather than have all elves be A and all dwarves be B. Individual books create the opportunity to flesh out non-stereotypical members of each race, such as Dwarven Druids or Elven Rogues, as well as to dwell on different sub-cultures within each race, such as seafaring communities or nomadic 'barbaric' communities vs. urbanized 'civilized' enclaves.
The downside would be the possibility that the books will be uneven in quality. The Complete Dwarves Handbook was the best 2E handbook of it's sort, chock-full of awesome ideas and left mighty big boots to fill. The Complete Elves Handbook, by contrast, was a bit light on usable material and read more like a love-poem to the wonderfulness of elvenkind than a rules supplement... [Ironically, I never cared for Dwarves at all, and always played Elves. Quite the eye-opener for a young gamer!]
Hopefully the Pathfinder 'race splats' will manage to avoid some of the miss-steps of the past.
To me Golarion is the new Realms.
...not to mention the new Greyhawk!
Seriously though, the strength of Golarion is not that it is a revolutionary new setting, it is that it feels like home because it offers a place to run all the kinds of adventures we grew up loving, with a mix of places based on real world areas/eras of history like Osirion, Galt as well as other traditional elements from these earlier campaigns and classic adventures. Cheliax clearly has taken some inspiration from Greyhawk's Great Kingdom of Aerdy, and I believe the River Kingdoms was even described as being somewhat analogous to GH's Bandit Kingdoms. Varisia, while very different in its overall presentation, offers a great northern frontier area that is in some ways reminiscent of the Savage Frontier of FR, while at the same time being a great place for GDQ style action against giants and drow. Numeria clearly harkens back to Expedition to Barrier Peaks, Metamorphosis Alpha and the like...and so on.
It's well done.
I wouldn't be concerned about inconsistency or lack of quality. Has any Chronicles book been less than stellar so far?
Not if you ask me.
I'm sure the books will do every race justice.
Id looooove to see some races books or even one big one! Someone earlier mentioned a 'Planetouched of Pathfinder', I cant think of anything I would want more, especially if it covered Tieflings and Cansin (I know, just a Dragon magazine race but one of my favorites).
Cansin (I know, just a Dragon magazine race but one of my favorites).
I fear that they're off limits, because they're not open content. Doesn't mean that paizo can't do their own take on various planetouched, though.
I've read both the free Pathfinder player's companions and have to say I really like this world. There's nothing too freaky in it (at least on the surface) but it is just fantastic enough; it's a setting for D&D, made by people who know the game. I see I'm not the only one reminded of my first brush with the 'Realms.
Is there anywhere else I can go to get more info on this before I shell out for the setting book (question of when, not if)?
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I cannot believe you are doing a book on ELVES before a book on dwarves. I mean really! Who cares about elves. Just a bunch of snotty-nosed-self-righteous-treehugging-dancing-faeries! No one at all could care less about what they claim is a culture.
Now the DWARVES! Ahhhh there you get to the real meat of civilization... Alas, to explore our culture you would need a whole line of books published daily...
Now... excuse me while I finish my ale, and then bed that lass... and in the mornining I chop up a few elves before breakfast.
P.S. ALL the Mystara gazateers ROCK and a halfling and a gnome book would be cool too.
Is there anywhere else I can go to get more info on this before I shell out for the setting book (question of when, not if)?
Check out the Gazetteer (available now), or the bigger-better-larger Hardcover Campaign Setting (available in August).
There's absolutely a chance for a product like this! In fact, the 2nd Pathfinder Companion is all about Elves! We don't have a big book of ALL races on the schedule yet, though.Jason, Erik, Mike, Lisa, et al.,
would it possible to have an entire "Races of Pathfinder" supplement which would include more 'fluff' about the races *and* dozens of new Racial Feats for each of them? Not to mention new magic items and spells. I know several DMs (myself included, naturally) who would more than willingly dish out the cash to get their hands on such a book.
Any chance for such a book as a supplement to PF RPG? :)
Personally, I'd like a "Races of Pathfinder" book as long as it doesn't try to pack too much information into it. My suggestion, stick to the core races for such a book. I don't think I'd want to buy a separate book for each race. And provide options for each race that can be used in any setting. Try to make it generic enough to be useful over a wider audience; do for the classic races what you did for the classic monsters with the "Revisited" book.
Just my opinion,
Knightfall1972
Id looooove to see some races books or even one big one! Someone earlier mentioned a 'Planetouched of Pathfinder', I cant think of anything I would want more, especially if it covered Tieflings and Cansin (I know, just a Dragon magazine race but one of my favorites).
Now, you see, personally I'd prefer that the "planetouched" be done in the style of Classic Monsters Revisted, but I'd be fine with such a book have sidebars for the racial traits of the more playable "planetouched." Whatever works I guess.
Remember that Paizo can only use material that is OGL; therefore, they would not be able to use these Cansin from DRAGON Magazine.
Ah, thats too bad. Theyre like Tieflings and Aasimar, but chaos planetouched instead of good or evil. They along with Tieflings are my favorite race. Anyhow I would still just love a races book in general. The more fluff in them the better as well.
I cannot believe you are doing a book on ELVES before a book on dwarves. I mean really! Who cares about elves. Just a bunch of snotty-nosed-self-righteous-treehugging-dancing-faeries! No one at all could care less about what they claim is a culture.
Now the DWARVES! Ahhhh there you get to the real meat of civilization... Alas, to explore our culture you would need a whole line of books published daily...
Now... excuse me while I finish my ale, and then bed that lass... and in the mornining I chop up a few elves before breakfast.
Not to mention that they abandoned Golarion during the Age of Darkness while the sturdy dwarves stayed behind.
Here here. I dare not call Golarion the new Greyhawk or new Realms. Golarion seems to offer something to everyone that's been displaced by WOTC's treatment of the classic settings.
It's the new Known GreyRealms.
I cannot believe you are doing a book on ELVES before a book on dwarves. I mean really!
Dwarves will be more than sufficiently described in the Campaign Setting:
"A dwarf's life is nasty, brutish and short - just like the dwarf itself.
If they ever get in contact with water, their natural armour is reduced by 5.
Their names must contain beard, stone, axe or hammer.
They're not very smart, but they're rude and unpleasant to be around. When not drunk on ale or bloodlust, they mine for gold or valuable metals, which they love more than their children, singing Hi Ho songs all the time."
See? Everything one needs to know about the lawn ornaments explained. Except maybe dwarf cuisine, which consists of 361 recipes for rat, the favourite being rat with ketchup.
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But I tell you one thing: If we can get Terry Pratchett to write the dwarf book, I'll definetly buy one. I've been dying to get my hands on D&D stats for dwarven battle bread!
Is there anywhere else I can go to get more info on this before I shell out for the setting book (question of when, not if)?
The Gazetteer has information about the Inner Sea Region, and also about races and classes in Golarion, a timeline, some information about the continents and the planets near Golarion, and a short description of each of the 20 main deities.
Beyond that, there's stuff in the Pathfinder Adventure Paths (though it often concentrates on Varisia and its peoples), and there's always the blog for some extra bits of information.