I used office depot without issue. May want to try there.
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Did anyone else have any problems getting things printed at Kinkos? They tried to tell me they weren't allowed to print the Pathfinder RPG rules. They wouldn't let me show them that we have permission to print them. Argh.
I had no problem whatsoever using Kinkos, even going so far as to use their web interface to order A3 printed and some custom changes (adding a blank page after the cover so that the page numbers ended up on the right side of the pages).
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I think it just depends on the staffer you get at a place. I printed Alpha 2 out without any sort of issue, but when I went in with Alpha 3 I got a different person and they gave me a little form that they said would need to be filled out to have it printed because it is copyrighted(that it was watermarked to me didn't help).
I think if you try another time or another place you'll find staff that is less sticklers for details, especially when they see your name is on it.
-Tarlane
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I agree that it depends on who you get.
I have my local Kinkos trained now to make maps for me. I have made a map of all the major cities we have at 2x3 and a Golarian Map at 3x4 and a Varisia map at 3x4.
There have asked me a couple of times if I am making them for commercial purposes. Now they get that I am just a geek and it is for my game.
I have not tried to print the rules. I did that at home and put it in a notebook. I figure that is temporary because in August the published softcover will be out. I bought one for everyone in the group because in the fall we play to start CotCT and I figure we will do it with the Pathfinder RPG.
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Did anyone else have any problems getting things printed at Kinkos? They tried to tell me they weren't allowed to print the Pathfinder RPG rules. They wouldn't let me show them that we have permission to print them. Argh.
It cost me $20.65 all b&w and bound at Kinko's. The gal at the counter initially asked me if I was Jason Bulhman (Since his name was on the cover) when I told her that was not, she said she couldn't print it, since it seemed to be a book.
I told her that I had "purchased" it and in doing so, the website I downloaded it from watermarked it with my name on it. I asked her to check with the manager on their official policy.
She returned a minute later and said that "the policy follows standard copyright laws - and that I am entitled to ONE copy as a back-up - with proof that it is mine" She verified my name on my license (matched the watermark), and then plugged my information into their inter-store data-base to ensure I don't make another copy elsewhere.
Hope this helps.
Robert
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Cool. I'll have to see how muhc ToH Rev would cost.
A group of us paid to print and bind it for a friend at Staples, this was about 2-3 years ago, right after it came out and it came to about 50 bucks for B&W with color cover, spiral bound with plastic covers. Staples as never had an issue printing anything for me, even books like that
I took my latest batch to Kinko's a few weeks ago. I use them for binding mostly has I have a laser printer at home. I had them print the full color map of Korvosa that came with the guide and there was not a peep about ownership.
If they did ask though, wouldn't showing them the watermark at the bottom of every page be sufficient? About every page of items I buy from Paizo.com has watermarked "Paizo.com Order #, my name, e-mail address and date." I would think showing this security measure would be enough to satisfy issues about ownership.
I agree. The guy at the Staples I went to couldn't figure out how to print it.
I just went to Staples and had them print it double-sided in B&W, with a 3-hole punch, and stuck it in a binder when I got home. That, with the new pad of graph paper I bought, ran me about $14. Now I just have to tell my players to go easy on the pages, since I want it to last us until the Beta release.
She returned a minute later and said that "the policy follows standard copyright laws - and that I am entitled to ONE copy as a back-up - with proof that it is mine" She verified my name on my license (matched the watermark), and then plugged my information into their inter-store data-base to ensure I don't make another copy elsewhere.
For those authors interested in stepping outside the artificial binary of copyright monopoly vs. copyright piracy in favor of something that allows for greater sharing and cultural exchange, I'd like to recommend the legal alternatives that allow you to retain ownership and customize the controls you want placed on your work.
Check out: www.creativecommons.org
"Creators choose a set of conditions they wish to apply to their work.
Attribution. You let others copy, distribute, display, and perform your copyrighted work — and derivative works based upon it — but only if they give credit the way you request.
Noncommercial. You let others copy, distribute, display, and perform your work — and derivative works based upon it — but for noncommercial purposes only.
No Derivative Works. You let others copy, distribute, display, and perform only verbatim copies of your work, not derivative works based upon it.
Share Alike. You allow others to distribute derivative works only under a license identical to the license that governs your work." —http://creativecommons.org/about/license/
You can mix and match the above. If you'd like to know more, check out their FAQ here: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ
Perhaps the authors of this site might try it out on the alpha or beta versions of the PRPG...
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I just went to Staples and had them print it double-sided in B&W, with a 3-hole punch, and stuck it in a binder when I got home. That, with the new pad of graph paper I bought, ran me about $14. Now I just have to tell my players to go easy on the pages, since I want it to last us until the Beta release.You could put the pages in page protectors or get hole protectors to help with the wear on the pages.
Before Pathfinder, I had an OCR version of the PHB I was editing to add in house rules and 3rd party supplements. Now I'm in the process of pasting in the Pathfinder bits I like (I'm up to Meteor Swarm). I have my own color laser printer, so I'll print it, and take it to Staples to bind.
My main issue is my rulebook comes in at 438 pages, and at my local Staples, spiral binding maxes out at 420, or 2". They have wireless binding, softcover for $5 and hardcover for $17. Does anyone have experience with this?
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I used Kinko's Print Online Service. I printed it double-sided in B&W, card stock cover in color, spiral-bound. It cost me about $19.50. I paid online with my credit-card and picked up my order from the store (you can also choose to have it shipped to you, but you have to pay shipping). I never had any problems or issues about copy writes.
It looks better than I expected in B&W. The artwork is still very clear, much better than the Savage Tide Player's Guide I printed at home.
I had one issue however. In the online proof I was presented with, all of the "A"s in the titles were missing. It was only the "A"s and only in the titles. This did not show up in the final product however. When I asked the clerk at the store, she said that she didn't know much about the online service, she just made up the orders that she was given.
All in all it was a good experience and I plan to use them to compile RotRL.
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RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16
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I went to Kinko's and printed Alpha 1&2 with no problems. They didn't ask for my ID or anything. I was asked if it was my own creation and I said no that it was a free playtest document and that was that. I decided against printing alpha 3 for the moment as it took forever to buffer and print. We'll adjust rulesets again when Beta is released in August.
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Ok, as an employee of FedEx Kinkos let me clear up a few things.
Yes, you can print the Alpha rules at Kinkos. They uphold copyright laws so if a product is copyrighted you will have to get permition from the publisher first. However, the Alpha rules and character sheets are ok to print under the law. Just tell them you purchased the book online. You may be asked to sign a copyright release form. I'm sorry you had a bad experience.
I don't even own a home printer. I do all my printing at Kinkos. I have done some really cool maps there. The print online is a great tool too.
Now a question for the Paizo staff. Why don't you offer FedEx Shipping for orders? I find UPS to be a bit unreliable here. (But maybe I'm just a little bias)
If You think Kinkos is bad, Heaven help You if You should ever use the photo lab at WalMart!
My roommate is a professional [albeit starving] actress. As such, she tries to get her headshots printed at WalMart when possible because they cost the least. However, because they are "professional" shots the geniuses at WalMart give her a hard time about getting the copies she already paid for because they "might be copyrighted".
Yeah, that's right. She might not have rights to photographs of her face...
Nevermind the fact that she models for the photographers pro bono and they return the favor by doing the headshots for free also.
I swear, corporations and the legal system here have made common sense illegal...
St. Cuthbert would be most displeased.
If You think Kinkos is bad, Heaven help You if You should ever use the photo lab at WalMart!
My roommate is a professional [albeit starving] actress. As such, she tries to get her headshots printed at WalMart when possible because they cost the least. However, because they are "professional" shots the geniuses at WalMart give her a hard time about getting the copies she already paid for because they "might be copyrighted".
Yeah, that's right. She might not have rights to photographs of her face...
Nevermind the fact that she models for the photographers pro bono and they return the favor by doing the headshots for free also.
I swear, corporations and the legal system here have made common sense illegal...
St. Cuthbert would be most displeased.
I've had that happen with making a single copy of articles I wrote for a portfolio for graduate school and written permission of the copyright holder. I won't go into their store again.
She should use the set of licenses under creative commons at creativecommons.org (which have their roots in the copyleft approach Richard Stallman, of GNU fame.)
Creators can mix and match the following set of conditions they wish to apply to their work:
Attribution. You let others copy, distribute, display, and perform your copyrighted work — and derivative works based upon it — but only if they give credit the way you request.
Noncommercial. You let others copy, distribute, display, and perform your work — and derivative works based upon it — but for noncommercial purposes only.
No Derivative Works. You let others copy, distribute, display, and perform only verbatim copies of your work, not derivative works based upon it.
Share Alike. You allow others to distribute derivative works only under a license identical to the license that governs your work.
And, yes, it's legal and enforceable.
I print everything at work. Color. Double sided. For free :D
Thanks for the suggestion roguerogue. Last time they gave her this hassle, she took a stack of copyright/usage release forms with her for the next time she sees some of her photographers.
Of course, if they still give her grief even with signed release forms in hand then I fully expect to discover some missing swords and knives missing from my collection. Well... that or a call from the Charlotte police department. ;)
Chief Technical Officer
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...In the online proof I was presented with, all of the "A"s in the titles were missing. It was only the "A"s and only in the titles. This did not show up in the final product however.
You're using a poppler-based PDF viewer on Linux, no? Their engine doesn't like one of our fonts. It will display correctly in Adobe Reader, though.
They've never given us a quote as good as UPS does. (Our customers are generally very price sensitive when it comes to shipping.)Why don't you offer FedEx Shipping for orders? I find UPS to be a bit unreliable here. (But maybe I'm just a little bias)
We are NOT price sensitive! We are CHEAP!!! Get it right, Vic! ~grins~